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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:08 PM
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6. And that was Obama's fault how? n/t
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  -The reason I think so many of us are mad at President Obama FarLeftFist  Aug-10-11 04:00 PM   #0 
  - The easiest job in the world? With a Senate that filibustered  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 04:03 PM   #1 
  - agreed.  flor-de-jasmim   Aug-10-11 04:05 PM   #2 
  - The truth is, is that I really like Obama. He's a HUGE breath of fresh air in DC.  FarLeftFist   Aug-11-11 12:09 PM   #96 
  - The Senate was never even expected to REALLY filibuster...  polichick   Aug-10-11 04:06 PM   #3 
  - And that was Obama's fault how? n/t  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 04:08 PM   #6 
  - Ever heard of leadership? Or the bully pulpit?  closeupready   Aug-10-11 04:17 PM   #12 
  - Leadership isn't dictatorship. And the bully pulpit barely exists in these days of 24 hour cable TV.  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 05:01 PM   #28 
     - Right, because when I said leadership, I actually meant dictatorship.  closeupready   Aug-11-11 10:07 AM   #88 
  - I didn't mention the prez - I was responding to a comment about the Senate.  polichick   Aug-10-11 07:09 PM   #56 
  - That has been a rule  polmaven   Aug-10-11 04:42 PM   #20 
     - Things have gotten too dysfunctional for that - it's time to get real.  polichick   Aug-10-11 07:10 PM   #57 
  - Was filibuster-proof there for a while buddy.  FarLeftFist   Aug-10-11 04:06 PM   #4 
  - Not for a single minute, pal.  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 04:09 PM   #7 
  - Lieberman wouldn't have mattered if the President had rallied his base into a frenzy  FarLeftFist   Aug-11-11 12:05 PM   #95 
  - That's your excuse?  bvar22   Aug-11-11 02:59 PM   #101 
  - no it was not  uponit7771   Aug-11-11 09:55 AM   #85 
  - The Republicans did not filibuster, they threatened to filibuster. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 04:08 PM   #5 
  - According to the Senate rules -- which Obama had nothing to do with --  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 04:10 PM   #8 
  - Can I see the rule? I asked my Senator about it, and he did not mention any rules. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 04:18 PM   #13 
  - Senate rule 22,  polmaven   Aug-10-11 04:47 PM   #22 
     - That says the filibuster is for debate. The Democrats did not make the Republicans debate,  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 04:56 PM   #24 
        - So you think there is no rule? It's all a big lie? n/t  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 04:57 PM   #25 
           - I don't think there is a rule saying the threat of a filibuster needs cloture.  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:01 PM   #27 
           - Cloture is a vote to cut off debate prior to a vote. And it requires 60 votes,  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 05:03 PM   #29 
              - Then make them stand and debate hour after hour. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:14 PM   #36 
                 - Obama can't make Congress do anything. It's called "Separation of Powers."  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 06:16 PM   #53 
                    - I am not talking about President Obama. I am talking about the Senate Democrats. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 07:54 PM   #64 
                       - But the OP is about why people are mad at Obama. n/t  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 11:53 PM   #73 
                          - Yes, that is true. I was just making a comment about the filibuster.  ZombieHorde   Aug-11-11 01:13 AM   #74 
           - I wouldn't say it's a BIG lie n/t  GOTV   Aug-11-11 11:11 AM   #92 
  - I agree.  Guilded Lilly   Aug-10-11 04:26 PM   #15 
  - We could actually make the Republicans filibuster, instead of just threatening to filibuster. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 04:57 PM   #26 
     - Maybe "we" could have, but Obama couldn't have. n/t  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 05:04 PM   #30 
        - By "we," I meant Senate Democrats. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:09 PM   #33 
  - Then why not MAKE them do a filibuster?  PVnRT   Aug-11-11 07:14 AM   #78 
  - Thanks for the reality check  texshelters   Aug-10-11 04:17 PM   #11 
  - If you're into "reality," I'd think you'd have objected  pnwmom   Aug-10-11 05:06 PM   #31 
     - Umm, I wasn't talking about that...  texshelters   Aug-12-11 12:58 PM   #103 
  - In the absence of a filibuster, there is another obstruction technique that the Republicans  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:16 PM   #37 
     - I am not trying to blame President Obama, I am trying to blame the Senate. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:18 PM   #39 
        - Yeah, but you didn't know that there is more than just a filibuster available  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:35 PM   #46 
           - Holds are not official, and can be ignored.  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:41 PM   #49 
              - Yes, you're right. Holds *can* be ignored, but what typically follows  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:59 PM   #52 
                 - Think the Senate Democrats should make the Republicans actually filibuster.  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 07:53 PM   #63 
  - Yep.  Wait Wut   Aug-11-11 12:15 PM   #98 
  - The reason that people are angry is:  Sarah Ibarruri   Aug-10-11 04:14 PM   #9 
  - You made for me a condensed statement:  PufPuf23   Aug-10-11 04:17 PM   #10 
  - He IS being himself and he never HAD any principles.  Maven   Aug-10-11 04:22 PM   #14 
  - People blame Congress when Obama fails  texshelters   Aug-10-11 04:26 PM   #16 
  - Congress wanted Bush's agenda, for the most part  killbotfactory   Aug-10-11 04:40 PM   #19 
     - I am talking about people here at DU  texshelters   Aug-12-11 12:57 PM   #102 
  - Really good post  SmileyRose   Aug-10-11 04:26 PM   #17 
  - stick to his principles?  Coyote_Bandit   Aug-10-11 04:33 PM   #18 
  - The reason so many are mad at Obama is that there is one core  JoePhilly   Aug-10-11 04:47 PM   #21 
  - Well it's a two way street. Your "equivalency is false.  Armstead   Aug-10-11 05:21 PM   #40 
  - You are ABSOLUTELY right! When both sides share the same frame,  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:27 PM   #43 
     - Weeeelllll, I would challenge that assumption  Armstead   Aug-10-11 05:37 PM   #48 
     - O.K., I take that point because I'm also a political activist and very involved in  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:57 PM   #51 
        - Collectively, I agree with you.  Armstead   Aug-10-11 07:37 PM   #60 
     - "We" criticize the President to try and get things we want  PVnRT   Aug-11-11 07:17 AM   #79 
  - I think my frustration stems from his oratory skills.  Bonhomme Richard   Aug-10-11 04:51 PM   #23 
  - Explained it well -- I'm not "far left" but I totally agree about the lost opportunity  Armstead   Aug-10-11 05:08 PM   #32 
  - The "easiest job," eh? Unrec'ing based on that ridiculous statement alone! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-10-11 05:10 PM   #34 
  - I'm not mad. I'm disgusted.  DeSwiss   Aug-10-11 05:12 PM   #35 
  - So, what do you mean "he was also handed the easiest job in the world"?  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-11 05:16 PM   #38 
  - I'm not mad, just disappointed.  Rex   Aug-10-11 05:22 PM   #41 
  - The first sentence is so fucking stupid I didn't even get to the period.  DevonRex   Aug-10-11 05:24 PM   #42 
  - I'm not mad at him but I'm really disappointed in him  tularetom   Aug-10-11 05:28 PM   #44 
  - Being a candidate is much easier than being a president  loyalsister   Aug-10-11 05:35 PM   #45 
  - In 2008, The American People gave the Democratic Party:  bvar22   Aug-10-11 05:35 PM   #47 
  - Not Exactly  AndyTiedye   Aug-10-11 06:37 PM   #54 
     - I got it.  bvar22   Aug-10-11 06:43 PM   #55 
        - Actually bvar22  tgal   Aug-10-11 07:15 PM   #58 
        - I Can Totally Imagine LIEberman Saying Exactly That  AndyTiedye   Aug-10-11 07:34 PM   #59 
           - Obama didn't have to go along with selling us out to the insurance companies  dflprincess   Aug-10-11 09:50 PM   #65 
           - He Could Have Settled For Nothing, Which is What We Got Last Time  AndyTiedye   Aug-10-11 09:56 PM   #66 
              - Nothing is what most of us got this time  dflprincess   Aug-10-11 10:04 PM   #67 
                 - They Can't Blackball You for Pre-Existing Conditions Anymore  AndyTiedye   Aug-10-11 10:20 PM   #68 
                    - But they can jack the premium cost up so high you won't be able to afford it  dflprincess   Aug-10-11 10:45 PM   #69 
                    - It is a nice crumb,  bvar22   Aug-11-11 08:16 AM   #83 
           - The President & The Democratic Party could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman  bvar22   Aug-11-11 07:53 AM   #80 
              - Not a Chance. AIPAC Would Never Allow That  AndyTiedye   Aug-11-11 11:28 AM   #94 
  - I think he thought if he was the nice guy  marlakay   Aug-10-11 05:44 PM   #50 
  - i like your post a lot. but why does everyone leave out congress?  dionysus   Aug-10-11 07:38 PM   #61 
  - Congress is to blame too....But as the leader of the nation and party....  Armstead   Aug-10-11 10:57 PM   #70 
     - None of the "Carrots" or "Sticks" Work on Teabaggers  AndyTiedye   Aug-11-11 02:56 AM   #76 
     - You should watch this video from Rachal Maddow last nite  Armstead   Aug-11-11 09:53 AM   #84 
     - perhaps in politics as it used to be. never before have we had a GOP that would fillibuster every  dionysus   Aug-11-11 07:58 AM   #81 
        - A video I suggest you watch from Rachael Maddow  Armstead   Aug-11-11 09:55 AM   #86 
  - The man has no spine. No balls. No fight.  Hotler   Aug-10-11 07:44 PM   #62 
  - I'll tell you why so many people are mad at President Obama...  MrScorpio   Aug-10-11 11:02 PM   #71 
  - My God. That is an absolutely brilliant insight! -11111  Armstead   Aug-10-11 11:03 PM   #72 
  - That's ridiculous. People have very valid and legitimate reasons.  Tatiana   Aug-11-11 11:25 AM   #93 
  - All the armchair Presidents have no idea what he's actually dealing with..  HipChick   Aug-11-11 01:17 AM   #75 
  - Maybe a little bit of positive strategizing instead of negative defeatism might help  Armstead   Aug-11-11 10:19 AM   #89 
  - I can boil it down to a very short paragraph.  JoeyT   Aug-11-11 07:05 AM   #77 
  - because the media keeps telling us he isn't doing anything...very effective  spanone   Aug-11-11 07:58 AM   #82 
  - Sorry, but I stopped reading after "the easiest job in the world" n/t  Inuca   Aug-11-11 09:57 AM   #87 
  - Yup, all he had to do was NOT be George Bush.  FarLeftFist   Aug-11-11 12:10 PM   #97 
     - Very superficial "analysis", sorry, you are wrong n/t  Inuca   Aug-11-11 12:36 PM   #100 
  - More magical thinking!  JNinWB   Aug-11-11 10:31 AM   #90 
  - Who in the party has the balls to primary Obama?  Hart2008   Aug-11-11 10:45 AM   #91 
  - Like Reagan, there will be huge payoff from Wall St when his terms end  dmosh42   Aug-11-11 12:24 PM   #99 

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