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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:48 AM
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23. "Every class struggle is a political struggle."
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 08:50 AM by Davis_X_Machina
"...the class struggle becomes real, consistent and developed only when it embraces the sphere of politics."

V.I. Lenin, "Liberal and Marxist Conceptions of the Class Struggle", 1913
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  -There is no "middle class". There's a "working class" and an "owner class". Scuba  Aug-10-11 06:10 AM   #0 
  - psh, worse then that  shinyhead   Aug-10-11 06:14 AM   #1 
  - Cattle  baldguy   Aug-10-11 06:18 AM   #2 
  - By "owner class" you mean they own those of us  Island Blue   Aug-10-11 06:36 AM   #3 
  - Marx 101.  blindpig   Aug-10-11 06:46 AM   #4 
  - won't happen here...  Javaman   Aug-10-11 07:59 AM   #11 
  - Americans are not as 'exceptional' as some would have us...  blindpig   Aug-10-11 08:28 AM   #21 
     - Very rarely is ever frustration and anger productive.  Javaman   Aug-10-11 08:51 AM   #24 
     - Rather a vanguard party than a leader.  blindpig   Aug-10-11 09:32 AM   #25 
        - Yes, Vanguard party is more apt.  Javaman   Aug-10-11 09:51 AM   #26 
           - Incoming pm. n/t  blindpig   Aug-10-11 09:58 AM   #27 
           - Incoming PM  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:13 AM   #36 
     - You got a PM  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:12 AM   #35 
  - +1000  hifiguy   Aug-10-11 01:29 PM   #49 
     - Fresh as today's papers... n/t  blindpig   Aug-10-11 02:14 PM   #52 
  - Bullshit. I'm in the middle class.  robcon   Aug-10-11 06:52 AM   #5 
  - Don't say that too loudly  Silent3   Aug-10-11 07:18 AM   #6 
  - Do you live off your investments or do you work for a living? nt  Javaman   Aug-10-11 08:00 AM   #12 
  - I don't live off my investments, but I will turn my 401K into an annuity...  robcon   Aug-10-11 10:37 AM   #29 
     - So you work for a living, right? nt  Javaman   Aug-10-11 01:12 PM   #47 
        - You're a genius for figuring that out, Javaman  robcon   Aug-11-11 02:51 PM   #65 
           - then you are a member of the fucking working class, genius. nt  Javaman   Aug-11-11 07:29 PM   #68 
  - There are still a few - but it is rapidly decreasing.  TBF   Aug-10-11 08:07 AM   #17 
  - I'm from the working poor and have managed to make it into the middle class  deutsey   Aug-10-11 08:08 AM   #18 
  - I agree with this.. NT  yeswecanandwedid   Aug-10-11 04:15 PM   #59 
  - Well, let's see how long that lasts.......  socialist_n_TN   Aug-10-11 11:03 AM   #32 
  - Class is a meaningless construct...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-10-11 07:37 AM   #7 
  - How you vote is not a predictor of class  Bragi   Aug-10-11 07:59 AM   #10 
  - as long as the american brain is continually baked in propaganda  Javaman   Aug-10-11 08:01 AM   #13 
  - Wrong  blindpig   Aug-10-11 08:35 AM   #22 
  - "Every class struggle is a political struggle."  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-10-11 08:48 AM   #23 
     - Yep. And Marx ALWAYS interrelated economics  socialist_n_TN   Aug-10-11 11:06 AM   #33 
        - All political econmists did, he was the last one  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:53 AM   #39 
  - Which class has most to gain by denying that class exists?  Terry in Austin   Aug-11-11 02:57 PM   #66 
  - Yep  guitar man   Aug-10-11 07:48 AM   #8 
  - So, if you work for someone else and make a six figure income  drpepper67   Aug-10-11 07:57 AM   #9 
  - are you living off your investments? nt  Javaman   Aug-10-11 08:02 AM   #14 
  - Yep, because you're still paying a higher tax rate than the owner class making 100 X what you do.n/t  Scuba   Aug-10-11 08:17 AM   #20 
  - As webber would ask  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:54 AM   #40 
  - I think it's both--sociological and economic.  Raksha   Aug-10-11 02:44 PM   #55 
  - I think that's exactly what it does mean.  Raksha   Aug-10-11 02:35 PM   #54 
  - Which class' interests does Obama support?  coalition_unwilling   Aug-10-11 08:06 AM   #15 
  - How about a family with median net worth, earning the median income?  Nye Bevan   Aug-10-11 08:07 AM   #16 
  - lots of retired people in this country  hfojvt   Aug-10-11 08:12 AM   #19 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Aug-10-11 10:08 AM   #28 
  - Many see China as a model to be implemented globally..  jimmyflint   Aug-10-11 10:55 AM   #30 
  - Do you have any statistics backing up  Kaleko   Aug-10-11 12:35 PM   #43 
     - If you can't find it on your own, then you don't want to see it.  jimmyflint   Aug-10-11 01:05 PM   #46 
        - IOW, you have nothing.  Kaleko   Aug-10-11 01:24 PM   #48 
           - LOL  jimmyflint   Aug-10-11 05:18 PM   #60 
              - Pretending to "laugh out loud" followed by snarky retorts  Kaleko   Aug-10-11 06:48 PM   #62 
                 - No, you really make me laugh,for reals.  jimmyflint   Aug-10-11 08:44 PM   #64 
  - I find that these semantic debates aren't very useful  FreeJoe   Aug-10-11 10:57 AM   #31 
  - That goes all the way back to Adamn Smith  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:07 AM   #34 
  - Most Americans are middle class... comfortable, able to keep food on the table, etc.  robcon   Aug-10-11 11:46 AM   #37 
     - First not really  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-10-11 11:49 AM   #38 
     - If your definition of "comfortable" is keeping food on the table maybe -  TBF   Aug-10-11 12:48 PM   #45 
  - Pretty much  tawadi   Aug-10-11 11:55 AM   #41 
  - Please explain. I totally disagree with this statement  taught_me_patience   Aug-10-11 12:09 PM   #42 
  - There is no "huge" professional class "making good money" -  TBF   Aug-10-11 12:46 PM   #44 
  - I've often argued this  Hydra   Aug-10-11 02:02 PM   #50 
  - This is exactly where I was going....  Scuba   Aug-10-11 02:45 PM   #56 
  - The working class, which, of course I assume, does includes the working poor...  WCGreen   Aug-10-11 02:04 PM   #51 
  - The idea that "unions" create a middle class is particularly egregious. Unions, by definition,  readmoreoften   Aug-10-11 02:15 PM   #53 
  - You can thank  MzShantal   Aug-10-11 03:28 PM   #57 
  - Thank you for this information, MzShantal.  Raksha   Aug-10-11 06:51 PM   #63 
  - you know there are many working class and poor who can also be considered owner class  JI7   Aug-10-11 04:06 PM   #58 
  - Missed the meat of this  Hydra   Aug-10-11 06:43 PM   #61 
  - My uncle put it a different way: "Screwer and screwee"  Blue_Tires   Aug-11-11 02:59 PM   #67 
 

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