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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 06:41 AM
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53. Last time I was there the big guys who seemed to know things were disenchanted.
There are "others" over there who will drink any coolaid and who will believe it even if the government cancels the project (oh conspiracy it's a net energy producer but the world can't know, etc). I seem to recall icarus in particular being disillusioned. It could've changed since then, but I'm not holding my hopes out in any case.

It will be awesome if it works though!
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  -Policy: How do we get to 20% of electricity from wind in 20 years? FogerRox  Aug-09-11 02:31 PM   #0 
  - You do it by building resources to take over 1% every year.  MineralMan   Aug-09-11 02:34 PM   #1 
  - Thru tax policy, carbon pricing, National Mandates, or  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 02:43 PM   #4 
  - Emulate Denmark?  izquierdista   Aug-09-11 02:35 PM   #2 
  - emulate with what policy?  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 02:43 PM   #5 
     - The usual -- taxes, subsidies, loan guarantees...  izquierdista   Aug-09-11 02:53 PM   #10 
        - Yes, Ok, My favorite is tax policy  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 03:02 PM   #15 
  - Windfarm Washington, DC and then open the Capital windows?  nomb   Aug-09-11 02:37 PM   #3 
  - Dammit  guitar man   Aug-09-11 07:34 PM   #39 
  - Portugal has reached near 45% using all viable renewables in about 10 years...  Luminous Animal   Aug-09-11 02:44 PM   #6 
  - An article from last year's New York Times  exboyfil   Aug-09-11 03:03 PM   #17 
     - Details, excellent, thanks  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 03:35 PM   #18 
     - Yes. I included that link in my post.  Luminous Animal   Aug-09-11 04:42 PM   #27 
  - Deep-Offshore Wind on Tension Leg Platforms  kentauros   Aug-09-11 02:47 PM   #7 
  - I have a diary @ Kos publishing at 4pm on the AWC  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 02:59 PM   #13 
     - I'll have to look at that this evening :)  kentauros   Aug-09-11 03:42 PM   #19 
        - AWC region, 60,000Mw in shallow areas closer to shore  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 03:44 PM   #20 
           - Thanks!  kentauros   Aug-09-11 03:59 PM   #21 
  - By getting started NOW and not putting it off!  DonRedwood   Aug-09-11 02:49 PM   #8 
  - 100% agreed  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 03:00 PM   #14 
  - It could be done, but not by a country trapped in partisan gridlock. So it won't be done. nt  Speck Tater   Aug-09-11 02:51 PM   #9 
  - Ah yes, the conundrum  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 03:03 PM   #16 
  - We need more storms?  Change Happens   Aug-09-11 02:54 PM   #11 
  - Move to somewhere where oil corporations are not part of the dictatorship?  mmonk   Aug-09-11 02:55 PM   #12 
  - oil tends to overwhelm the energy markets  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 06:42 PM   #32 
  - Just have one giant windmill  AngryAmish   Aug-09-11 04:00 PM   #22 
  - We will hit peak oil (very expensive oil) long before the 20 years  JDPriestly   Aug-09-11 04:03 PM   #23 
  - Vital point, use the oil and coal we have left to build the generation  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 04:13 PM   #24 
  - bobby kennedy, jr. has been talking about this for a long time. he was at the Commonwealth Club  Gabi Hayes   Aug-09-11 04:37 PM   #25 
  - oh yeah....the major point: GET RID of ALL the SUBSIDIES for nukes, coal, and oil, and other carbon  Gabi Hayes   Aug-09-11 04:40 PM   #26 
  - 500 gigs day, non peak.  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 04:47 PM   #28 
     - thanks for posting this, btw. one of the things that infuriates me most about the  Gabi Hayes   Aug-09-11 05:02 PM   #30 
        - I write about this at Kos for Keynesian Kossacks  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 06:30 PM   #31 
  - 5 recs, thanks, gotta go for a haircut be back soon.  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 04:53 PM   #29 
  - 10.5% of GDP a year needs to be spent. Every year we don't, add .5% (for simple math).  joshcryer   Aug-09-11 06:45 PM   #33 
  - Totally agree, for 5 yrs  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 06:54 PM   #34 
     - Pretty much impossible politically speaking. Shame Polywell seems to be a dud. :(  joshcryer   Aug-09-11 06:55 PM   #35 
        - Dud, Ahh  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 07:23 PM   #37 
        - Polywell still working towards PB-11 fusion  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 10:17 PM   #51 
           - Last time I was there the big guys who seemed to know things were disenchanted.  joshcryer   Aug-10-11 06:41 AM   #53 
              - Many of those people are border line nuts  FogerRox   Aug-10-11 11:35 AM   #55 
  - Actually, I'm hopeful that we will have progressed beyond windmills and solar by then.  Cool Logic   Aug-09-11 07:03 PM   #36 
  - Plug in hybrids and EV cars will transition us to Fuel cells  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 07:27 PM   #38 
  - I'll tell ya how  guitar man   Aug-09-11 07:40 PM   #40 
  - AS the owner of a Lake Placid BLue Fender Strat, I whole heartedly endorse this  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 07:49 PM   #42 
     - Oh I love that shade of blue  guitar man   Aug-09-11 07:52 PM   #43 
        - Fender Blues Jr tube amp  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 08:08 PM   #45 
           - I hear ya about the economy  guitar man   Aug-09-11 08:41 PM   #50 
  - I don't believe that is a realistic goal.  badtoworse   Aug-09-11 07:48 PM   #41 
  - You skipped something, BPA has no good way t get the ppwer to where its needed, as far as I can  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 08:22 PM   #47 
  - What makes matters worse, you might have an issue telling the truth about the salmon  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 08:26 PM   #48 
     - Time is an issue sometimes  badtoworse   Aug-10-11 06:32 AM   #52 
  - By cutting energy use by 20%  Jim Warren   Aug-09-11 07:54 PM   #44 
  - Cut the middlemen out entirely  shinyhead   Aug-09-11 08:10 PM   #46 
  - Let me show you the state of the industry in the US  FogerRox   Aug-09-11 08:32 PM   #49 
  - Move to Denmark.....  marmar   Aug-10-11 06:48 AM   #54 
     - wiki says 19%, yeah they have taken the lead in %, not annual installed MW  FogerRox   Aug-10-11 11:38 AM   #56 

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