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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-11 03:21 PM
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31. A little personal experience
I had command of EMS during a six hour riot in Tijuana.

Yes some folks went to jail over it and one of my crews was lucky to come out of it alive... the ambulance needed a new windshield and extensive body work though. And yes, they got a verbal reaming from me. They were from another group and truly believed nobody would attack them since they were an ambulance... wrong.

Now here was our response...

We approached community leaders and others and asked... a very basic question WHY?

Now there were more reasons than the ones I was directly involved with so this is NOT a full list.

1.- Kids are running with the gangs and are going around with the wrong people.

Fair enough, with the cops... we cleared a vacant field and build a soccer field, and provided balls and got a league going. That did wonders for both children and adults alike.

2.- Health access is not really there.

With the city we built a community clinic.

3.- Summer months have kids running around.

We had several community services build services to keep those kids amused during the summer.

4.- THe city also offered positions in municipal services, Nope, the pay is not great, but it was a steady pay check.

The other response we could have had, was to get the army involved, patrol en force and just put the lid a tad tighter.

We figured out that thirty soccer balls, for example, were cheaper than fixing an ambulance.

This is not what has happened in England... over the last thirty years.

I will add though... our reaction to that six hour soiree was NOT common. The normal instinct is exactly what is going to happen in England from what the PM has already said.
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  -If people rioted for shits and giggles you'd see a lot more of it. RUMMYisFROSTED  Aug-09-11 01:17 PM   #0 
  - 5. Greed for stuff they don't want to pay for.  provis99   Aug-09-11 01:18 PM   #1 
  - Really? What riot started just to steal from department stores?  Rex   Aug-09-11 01:21 PM   #3 
  - how about these guys:  provis99   Aug-09-11 01:28 PM   #9 
  - opportunists  frylock   Aug-09-11 02:34 PM   #17 
  - Exactly right!  tk2kewl   Aug-09-11 02:37 PM   #19 
     - What was the riot started for then?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:02 PM   #22 
        - So you think every single person in the streets is stealing?  tk2kewl   Aug-09-11 03:06 PM   #25 
           - Pay attention.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:08 PM   #27 
  - Well, that is not a Macys or Dillards but yeah pretty scummy  Rex   Aug-09-11 03:13 PM   #29 
  - Here you go: nothin' but greed in Philly  Patiod   Aug-09-11 02:44 PM   #20 
     - Yes that is greed and stealing, but not a riot.  Rex   Aug-09-11 03:17 PM   #30 
  - 6. Pithy indifference.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 01:22 PM   #4 
  - Swing and a miss  PVnRT   Aug-09-11 01:22 PM   #5 
  - you deny there are looters at the London riots?  provis99   Aug-09-11 01:25 PM   #8 
     - Yeah, sure, that's what I'm doing  PVnRT   Aug-09-11 01:40 PM   #11 
        - ?  provis99   Aug-09-11 01:47 PM   #12 
           - the point of the OP was that these things don't start for the sole purpose of looting..  frylock   Aug-09-11 02:36 PM   #18 
              - that point is not made in the OP.  provis99   Aug-09-11 05:13 PM   #40 
                 - must've been the subject line..  frylock   Aug-09-11 10:17 PM   #43 
                    - so that proves my point. What the heck are you getting at?  provis99   Aug-10-11 04:13 PM   #45 
  - I have yet to see a billionaires' riot.  rug   Aug-09-11 01:24 PM   #7 
  - Number two and three are the main causes  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-09-11 01:20 PM   #2 
  - Agreed.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 01:23 PM   #6 
  - are people saying there are no "reasons"?  Bluerthanblue   Aug-09-11 01:32 PM   #10 
  - Fair enough.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 01:54 PM   #13 
  - it takes a lot to fight  Bluerthanblue   Aug-09-11 02:19 PM   #16 
     - "I don't know what an effective response to the situation is-..."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:00 PM   #21 
        - I agree that it's important to find a way to work towards a  Bluerthanblue   Aug-09-11 03:07 PM   #26 
           - (throwing straw aside)  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:12 PM   #28 
           - tell that to MLKjr-  Bluerthanblue   Aug-09-11 03:23 PM   #32 
              - I'd tell him but he was killed.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 08:04 PM   #42 
              - Oh, and check this thread:  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-10-11 08:53 AM   #44 
           - A little personal experience  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-09-11 03:21 PM   #31 
  - It's an emotional response, not a political tactic.  readmoreoften   Aug-09-11 03:32 PM   #34 
  - mob rule has a lot to do with feeding of and particpation. nt  seabeyond   Aug-09-11 01:56 PM   #14 
  - So does oligarchic rule.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:03 PM   #23 
     - many of the people that are involved wouldnt know wtf you are talking about. be we do know  seabeyond   Aug-09-11 03:38 PM   #37 
  - prolonged social injustice  eShirl   Aug-09-11 01:58 PM   #15 
  - There are too many disincentives for anything else.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-09-11 03:04 PM   #24 
  - Most of the rioters don't have a clue about politics or current events.  Nye Bevan   Aug-09-11 03:31 PM   #33 
  - Racist bullshit. They know they're being fucked over.  readmoreoften   Aug-09-11 03:32 PM   #35 
  - "Racist"?  Nye Bevan   Aug-09-11 03:35 PM   #36 
  - self delete  The Midway Rebel   Aug-09-11 03:44 PM   #39 
  - Lots of unemployed males aged 16 to 24  The Midway Rebel   Aug-09-11 03:42 PM   #38 
  - Economic gaps are reasons for rioting  robdogbucky   Aug-09-11 05:24 PM   #41 
 

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