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Wed Aug-10-11 10:37 AM
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"Johnson was the catalyst, the cajoler in chief. History records him as the nation's greatest legislative politician. In a great piece on the Daily Beast website, LBJ aide Tom Johnson, writes about how his old boss would have gotten a health care reform bill through the current congress. It's worth reading to understand the full impact of the "Johnson treatment" and how effective LBJ could be in winning votes for his legislation." http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-trea...    Can you imagine wimpy Joe Lieberman stamping his foot telling LBJ, "NO!!! I'm NOT going to support your Health care Plan?"  Many on this site will tell you that the Presidency is weak and powerless, and can only do what Congress lets him do. THAT is a pathetic excuse...and just plain BULLSHIT!!!!"Strong and successful presidents (meaning those who get what they want - whether that happens to be good for the country or not) do not accept "the best deal on the table". They take out their carpentry tools and the build the goddam piece of furniture themselves. Strong and successful presidents do not get dictated to by the political environment. They reshape the environment into one that is conducive to their political aspirations." http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/17
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone
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Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed
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| -He's not weak. He's not overwhelmed. He's not just lacking a Democratic Congress. |
woo me with science |
Aug-09-11 10:55 AM |
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Obama really needs to fess up & officially join the repub party. n/t |
area51 |
Aug-09-11 10:56 AM |
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Yep, I wish he would resign and do that. "I shall not seek, and I will not accept..." |
kath |
Aug-09-11 11:04 AM |
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+100000 n/t |
bluethruandthru |
Aug-09-11 07:39 PM |
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1000+ |
on point |
Aug-10-11 10:00 AM |
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+1 nt |
Vanje |
Aug-10-11 08:33 AM |
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Why would he do that . . . |
colorado_ufo |
Aug-10-11 09:09 AM |
#86 |
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Which is exactly why the Republicans... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Aug-09-11 10:56 AM |
#2 |
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They always protest you are doing exactly what they are doing |
Vincardog |
Aug-09-11 10:59 AM |
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This projection-based opposition is of course completely different |
Davis_X_Machina |
Aug-09-11 11:05 AM |
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Let me reword this for you. You have a point, but... |
meow2u3 |
Aug-10-11 08:51 AM |
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They "protest" him in the exact way that they "protest" the so called Liberal Media |
Lorien |
Aug-09-11 05:43 PM |
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Which is why he was permitted to win the presidential election in the first place. (nt) |
enough |
Aug-09-11 10:58 AM |
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+1000% --- the corporations give us the candidates they want us to vote for -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:27 PM |
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Yep |
tavalon |
Aug-10-11 02:02 AM |
#64 |
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I couldn't agree with you more, we have to think outside the box |
Jim_Shorts |
Aug-10-11 10:18 AM |
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Yep, Mouseland it is. |
suffragette |
Aug-10-11 11:00 AM |
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No, Obama does not want to destroy the economy to make himself lose in 2012. |
tridim |
Aug-09-11 11:00 AM |
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Not possible to lose when Diebold counts the votes. |
Myrina |
Aug-10-11 09:52 AM |
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Unrec |
jaxx |
Aug-09-11 11:01 AM |
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+1 |
tridim |
Aug-09-11 11:03 AM |
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What conspiracy did the OP refer to? |
tk2kewl |
Aug-09-11 11:06 AM |
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This one as an example: |
jaxx |
Aug-09-11 11:19 AM |
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What has he done to demonstrate that his goals for the economy of the wars are different? |
tk2kewl |
Aug-09-11 11:24 AM |
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You'll need to read what he has said. |
jaxx |
Aug-09-11 11:34 AM |
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To me there is a big difference betwen what one says and what one does. |
tk2kewl |
Aug-09-11 11:37 AM |
#27 |
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And who got Bin Laden thereby getting a cache of intelligence that'll help curtail violence? |
KittyWampus |
Aug-10-11 10:40 AM |
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If you're willing to believe the story we "got" bin Laden |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 11:46 AM |
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It's no "wild untruth" if it comports with his behavior in office, is it? |
EFerrari |
Aug-09-11 11:48 AM |
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What he says and what he does are mutually exclusive - |
swilton |
Aug-10-11 08:43 AM |
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So what you are trying to say is that the term "conspiracy" does not mean what you think it does |
liberation |
Aug-09-11 06:31 PM |
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wow. you are truly lame. |
tomp |
Aug-09-11 08:16 PM |
#51 |
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since he's kept the tax cuts, done nothing about the criminals |
roguevalley |
Aug-10-11 09:23 AM |
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How 'bout this conspiracy? |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 09:34 AM |
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It doesn't take a "Conspiracy Theory" to explain |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 10:06 AM |
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DU is not the real world and conspiracies are welcomed and worshiped here. n/t |
elocs |
Aug-09-11 11:06 AM |
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Funny how DU rejected "Saddam has WMDs" while clueless real-world Americans... |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Aug-09-11 11:21 AM |
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Me too, but I just don't confuse this with being the real world. |
elocs |
Aug-09-11 11:34 AM |
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There are people who think well or think badly everywhere |
EFerrari |
Aug-09-11 11:52 AM |
#34 |
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Every poster here lives in the real world ... you're just angry about the push to primary Obama ... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:31 PM |
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So you agree that there was in fact a conspiracy to deceive the american public |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-11 06:25 AM |
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So... |
kenfrequed |
Aug-10-11 09:38 AM |
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+1000% |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:28 PM |
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+ 1 nt |
Vanje |
Aug-10-11 08:37 AM |
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DU was convinced we were attacking Iraq for years. DU is more wrong than right. |
KittyWampus |
Aug-10-11 10:38 AM |
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Gawd, I'm so sick of people demonizing the plain truth by calling it "conspiracy theory." |
Raksha |
Aug-09-11 11:42 AM |
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As though RW Koch Bros funded DLC and criminal corps like Pfizer and Chevron joining in ... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:33 PM |
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I take strawmen are more of your liking, then? |
liberation |
Aug-09-11 06:32 PM |
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I see they got to you, too. |
Ikonoklast |
Aug-09-11 06:51 PM |
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where is the "conspiracy"? |
paulk |
Aug-09-11 11:09 AM |
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yeah but something, plus you must be a bad person, or insane |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-11 06:27 AM |
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A "conspiracy theory" and a "theory" are different things. |
pa28 |
Aug-09-11 07:51 PM |
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Now who is blind? Google "operation mockingbird". |
webDude |
Aug-10-11 08:52 AM |
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So... |
kenfrequed |
Aug-10-11 09:21 AM |
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no, they dont. but they exist nonetheless.. |
frylock |
Aug-10-11 10:17 AM |
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That is essentially correct. |
blindpig |
Aug-09-11 11:02 AM |
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Recommended, that's the way it is |
Autumn |
Aug-09-11 11:03 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-09-11 11:06 AM |
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Obama is quite fond of negotiating in back rooms -- Sen. Reid commented he had no info -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:35 PM |
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More Cowbells! Bigger Fonts! |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-11 06:29 AM |
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Bashers Ignore Crazy Congress? |
letmedrinkuin |
Aug-10-11 06:41 AM |
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OK |
kenfrequed |
Aug-10-11 12:21 PM |
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Maybe someday you will stop viewing Politics as a sporting event. |
Marrah_G |
Aug-10-11 08:55 AM |
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***S***T***A***R***S*** |
Ignis |
Aug-10-11 12:50 PM |
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I'm sorry, but if every time a president doesn't have a majority in Congress, he goes catatonic... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-09-11 11:07 AM |
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Agree |
letmedrinkuin |
Aug-10-11 06:45 AM |
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Seriously? |
Cosmocat |
Aug-10-11 09:57 AM |
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Seriously?... YES!!! |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 10:37 AM |
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This phone call is a good look into how LBJ would have handled Wimpy Joe |
AlabamaLibrul |
Aug-10-11 05:14 PM |
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What's wrong is that we don't want him ignoring his base and preferring to be friendly with |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 01:31 PM |
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"Our country is dying and he's trying to sing friendly songs to the Repukes." |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 02:20 PM |
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No, can't blame Obama's behavior on Nader. Nader only got GW Bush elected. That seems small to you |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 02:21 PM |
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"Nader only got GW Bush elected." |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 02:24 PM |
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Fact is, Nader is a pig. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 03:15 PM |
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Nader Derangement Syndrome. nt |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 10:29 PM |
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Look ... |
Cosmocat |
Aug-10-11 04:53 PM |
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And he could've used his base that propelled him to the presidency, to get us to campaign for |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Aug-10-11 01:30 PM |
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Yes, but, he should have worked MUCH harder when he had this congress. |
Democrats_win |
Aug-09-11 11:07 AM |
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It was. |
Solomon |
Aug-09-11 06:51 PM |
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Obama resurrected GOP from the ashes -- and threw away his mandate -- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:37 PM |
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It wasn't by accident, it was for campaign contributions for ALL!!! |
harun |
Aug-10-11 09:58 AM |
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No, he's lacking a Democratic mindset. nt |
tpsbmam |
Aug-09-11 11:08 AM |
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Yep. n/t |
progressoid |
Aug-10-11 01:26 AM |
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No, Obama Lacks Leadership! |
letmedrinkuin |
Aug-10-11 06:53 AM |
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you're wrong when you say he deferred to Reid and Pelosi |
newspeak |
Aug-10-11 11:00 AM |
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Rec -- maybe it's not 11 dimentional chess. |
immoderate |
Aug-09-11 11:16 AM |
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Biggest problem is his lack of conviction, and vision. Great bullshitter! |
dmosh42 |
Aug-09-11 11:17 AM |
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? He had a Democratic congress for two years. nothing happened. |
krabigirl |
Aug-09-11 11:36 AM |
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" He had a Democratic congress for two years. nothing happened." |
BumRushDaShow |
Aug-09-11 11:43 AM |
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He backed Blanche Lincoln in her primary against Bill Halter. |
Maven |
Aug-09-11 02:18 PM |
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I was about to type that myself... |
disillusioned73 |
Aug-09-11 09:09 PM |
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And you love to ignore the fact that a big number of members of his administration belong to the DLC |
liberation |
Aug-09-11 06:34 PM |
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So you DO admit that the MAIN problem we are facing is NOT the Republican Party. |
bvar22 |
Aug-10-11 10:43 AM |
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No living person, certainly no one under 70, has ever seen a Democratic Congress... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Aug-09-11 11:44 AM |
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Good points. Time to work on finding that primary candidate. |
Karmadillo |
Aug-09-11 11:39 AM |
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I Agree |
fascisthunter |
Aug-09-11 11:43 AM |
#30 |
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K & R. n/t |
chill_wind |
Aug-09-11 01:52 PM |
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Sad but true. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-09-11 02:20 PM |
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Smells Republican. |
GeorgeGist |
Aug-09-11 05:38 PM |
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What social issues? nt |
Lorien |
Aug-09-11 05:40 PM |
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Good point. |
woo me with science |
Aug-09-11 07:37 PM |
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Sad but true. I've come to the conclusion that he's not weak |
Raine |
Aug-09-11 07:46 PM |
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and the rest of the party goes along.... |
tomp |
Aug-09-11 08:03 PM |
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Preaching to the choir |
tavalon |
Aug-10-11 01:59 AM |
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aside from the terminal obamaphiliacs.... |
tomp |
Aug-10-11 05:02 AM |
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Agree -- the mask is off -- 3 years tell the story -- it's over -- |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-11 09:25 PM |
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Ok. so, he's just a republican... |
SnoopDog |
Aug-09-11 11:55 PM |
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DLC and "Third Way Democrats" |
tavalon |
Aug-10-11 01:58 AM |
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totally obvious and goes without saying; K&R for much needed articulating, though! |
inna |
Aug-10-11 03:00 AM |
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Exactly.. |
sendero |
Aug-10-11 05:40 AM |
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"These third way fucks better have some voting machines in their pocket..." |
OnyxCollie |
Aug-10-11 09:12 AM |
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its the plutocratic duopoly. |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-10-11 06:22 AM |
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I keep expecting him to jump in a phone booth and put on his... |
Hubert Flottz |
Aug-10-11 06:34 AM |
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I heard he kicks puppies competitively, for distance!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Aug-10-11 06:45 AM |
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He wouldn't do that. Unless, of course, the banks needed him to. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-10-11 10:53 AM |
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K&R (n/t) |
a2liberal |
Aug-10-11 08:28 AM |
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I've suspected it for a while |
Vanje |
Aug-10-11 08:32 AM |
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Bingo |
Marrah_G |
Aug-10-11 08:52 AM |
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Third Way Democrat = Republican (nt) |
wysimdnwyg |
Aug-10-11 09:40 AM |
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Their goals and priorities are certainly very similar. |
woo me with science |
Aug-11-11 01:57 PM |
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He's capable of great things. Unfortunately, he's not doing them |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Aug-10-11 09:47 AM |
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He needs to man up and step aside |
Faith No More |
Aug-10-11 10:08 AM |
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I come to DU just about every single day and the top rated posts are those against Obama |
qanda |
Aug-10-11 10:11 AM |
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This phenomena reflects the pragmatic beliefs of the most politically aware Democrats |
Divernan |
Aug-10-11 10:34 AM |
#103 |
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The FACTS prove you wrong. But you're invested in your sad fantasy. As are many others on DU. |
KittyWampus |
Aug-10-11 10:37 AM |
#105 |
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What facts or FACTS do you have |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-10-11 10:52 AM |
#109 |
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What |
ProSense |
Aug-10-11 10:56 AM |
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I'm just wondering what his campaign strategy is |
LibDemAlways |
Aug-10-11 11:12 AM |
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This is very true |
supernova |
Aug-10-11 02:23 PM |
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Too late to rec, but |
hifiguy |
Aug-10-11 05:06 PM |
#126 |
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TOTAL BULLSHIT! |
Horse with no Name |
Aug-10-11 10:37 PM |
#129 |
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