| 4. It's their right to glorify who they wish... why are you being a nosey nanny? nt |
| -This may be a loaded question, but why DOESN'T the South get over the Civil War? |
Taverner |
Aug-06-11 11:14 PM |
#0 |
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Remember what happened to them? |
Dawson Leery |
Aug-06-11 11:18 PM |
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Aug-06-11 11:22 PM |
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Oh lord..... |
AlabamaLibrul |
Aug-06-11 11:23 PM |
#3 |
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My family is from the south too |
JitterbugPerfume |
Aug-06-11 11:41 PM |
#8 |
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My great-great grandfather was a farmer too |
Maccagirl |
Aug-06-11 11:45 PM |
#11 |
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235 posts in 10 years. Y'all come back now, ya heah? |
Bluebear |
Aug-06-11 11:46 PM |
#13 |
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I know, right? Someone made it on his ignore list in 2011. Maybe it'll be one of us next year. |
CleanGreenFuture |
Aug-07-11 12:12 AM |
#45 |
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My friend, your ancestors were traitors |
Taverner |
Aug-06-11 11:52 PM |
#19 |
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Says the guy who's totally over the civil war. Why can't non-southerners just get over it? |
Tunkamerica |
Aug-07-11 12:23 AM |
#63 |
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I'm over it. I don't fly a 33 star flag in rememberance of the Union soldiers. |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:31 AM |
#70 |
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The South. |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:03 AM |
#29 |
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How about most people |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:10 AM |
#41 |
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Aug-07-11 12:09 AM |
#38 |
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Awesome |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:11 AM |
#43 |
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Yup, I can't stand how southerners can see Confederate soildiers as "war heros". |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:17 AM |
#52 |
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To equate all people who fought in the civil war for the south is simplifying |
Tunkamerica |
Aug-07-11 12:29 AM |
#66 |
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LOL - no, they *were* traitors |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:32 AM |
#72 |
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Yup. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 01:15 AM |
#99 |
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except that by that standard |
hfojvt |
Aug-07-11 04:22 AM |
#119 |
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Really? |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-07-11 12:33 PM |
#177 |
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not really that simple |
hfojvt |
Aug-07-11 04:11 AM |
#118 |
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Reconstruction was an horrific debacle |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 05:36 AM |
#121 |
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A traitor is not 'subhuman' but simply treasonous. |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-07-11 09:04 AM |
#145 |
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It's their right to glorify who they wish... why are you being a nosey nanny? nt |
GSLevel9 |
Aug-06-11 11:27 PM |
#4 |
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Hey can I glorify Sherman for leveling Atlanta? |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:08 AM |
#35 |
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OF COURSE YOU CAN!!!! |
GSLevel9 |
Aug-07-11 02:23 AM |
#112 |
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Almost the whole Tea Party is from the South |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-07-11 09:05 AM |
#146 |
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If you have spent much time in the deep South, you would know... |
hlthe2b |
Aug-06-11 11:30 PM |
#5 |
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WAS slavery the principal issue? |
LWolf |
Aug-07-11 08:39 AM |
#143 |
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You will find historians arguing it both ways... |
hlthe2b |
Aug-07-11 09:35 AM |
#151 |
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I have followed historians arguing it both ways; |
LWolf |
Aug-07-11 10:20 AM |
#159 |
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I'm glad some get to have you as a teacher... |
hlthe2b |
Aug-07-11 10:44 AM |
#161 |
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I think "slavery" and "economics" are one and the same issue. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:29 PM |
#175 |
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Read the various state "Articles of Secession" (called different things). Try Mississippi first, |
Hoyt |
Aug-07-11 12:32 PM |
#176 |
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Yeah. Ya know, "free labor" is pretty much an economic issue. |
Arugula Latte |
Aug-07-11 12:35 PM |
#180 |
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occupation after loss in war |
justabob |
Aug-07-11 09:37 AM |
#152 |
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When you win, you don't spend 150 years feeling sore. |
krispos42 |
Aug-06-11 11:35 PM |
#6 |
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That's an interesting comment. |
Texasgal |
Aug-06-11 11:39 PM |
#7 |
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It is a small group, that is truly obsessed |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-06-11 11:57 PM |
#24 |
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I find it funny that |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:02 AM |
#28 |
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Not "The South" |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:05 AM |
#31 |
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Sorry, your OP clearly said |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:08 AM |
#34 |
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True, but I make a point later down the thread... |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:09 AM |
#37 |
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It is a small group |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:13 AM |
#46 |
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Try the other way around..... |
quickesst |
Aug-06-11 11:43 PM |
#9 |
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I married a sotherner and it think it will take a lot more than what you suggest to silence it. |
pennylane100 |
Aug-07-11 05:43 AM |
#123 |
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maybe non southerners will get over their "superiority complex" |
ruggerson |
Aug-07-11 10:17 AM |
#158 |
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Oh I could ask this about a few grudges that go |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-06-11 11:45 PM |
#10 |
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Thing is, Serbian, Bosnian and Kosovar killers still walk among them |
Taverner |
Aug-06-11 11:55 PM |
#21 |
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Yes but the curent events came from 1914, and those came from the 15 century |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-06-11 11:58 PM |
#25 |
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Not sure I understand |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:01 AM |
#27 |
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It is the creation of a whole different view of the world |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:11 AM |
#44 |
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Heh, you beat me to it.... n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-07-11 11:28 AM |
#164 |
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The War of Northern Aggression was not about slavery |
Pigheaded |
Aug-06-11 11:45 PM |
#12 |
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Great username for your post |
REP |
Aug-06-11 11:51 PM |
#15 |
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Duh |
Bluebear |
Aug-06-11 11:51 PM |
#17 |
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Actually son, it was one of the major causes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-06-11 11:52 PM |
#18 |
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Dude, you rock! |
Taverner |
Aug-06-11 11:56 PM |
#23 |
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"War of Northern Agression" |
ThoughtCriminal |
Aug-07-11 12:23 AM |
#60 |
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One of my instructors was from Dixie |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:29 AM |
#68 |
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The first time I was in Charleston |
DiverDave |
Aug-07-11 01:34 AM |
#106 |
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I think we probably took that same carriage ride in Charleston in 2010 |
Adsos Letter |
Aug-07-11 03:22 AM |
#115 |
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No it was about "state's rights" - that is the state right to own other people |
Taverner |
Aug-06-11 11:55 PM |
#22 |
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Aug-07-11 12:07 AM |
#33 |
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Who cares? You got your ass kicked. Hail to General Sherman. nt |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:09 AM |
#40 |
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+1,000,000 |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:14 AM |
#48 |
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Lol. That's awesome. |
neverforget |
Aug-07-11 12:16 AM |
#50 |
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Sherman was born about 30 miles from where I live |
RZM |
Aug-07-11 01:33 AM |
#105 |
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sure it was, as the articles of secession for many of the southern states make clear |
fishwax |
Aug-07-11 12:33 AM |
#74 |
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It's called The War of Southern Treason. |
JVS |
Aug-07-11 12:41 AM |
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WIN!!! |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 01:18 AM |
#101 |
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A little research for you: CSA VP Stephens' "Cornerstone Speech" |
DeltaLitProf |
Aug-07-11 02:51 AM |
#114 |
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It's called "THE CIVIL WAR." Sorry you didn't get to secede, though. I mean that. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-07-11 07:35 AM |
#141 |
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The "slavers revolt" was absolutely about slavery... |
S_E_Fudd |
Aug-07-11 10:29 AM |
#160 |
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I grew up in Alabama |
ThoughtCriminal |
Aug-06-11 11:47 PM |
#14 |
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That is because most of the rank and file |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-06-11 11:51 PM |
#16 |
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Even Lee didn't own slaves. |
white_wolf |
Aug-07-11 12:54 AM |
#89 |
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I don't get it either. There are many people alive today who fought in WWII but... |
TreasonousBastard |
Aug-06-11 11:53 PM |
#20 |
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Loaded question, indeed. I answered you seriously in earlier post... |
hlthe2b |
Aug-06-11 11:59 PM |
#26 |
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Oh I agree. Grant was a killer just as much as Lee or Jackson were |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:04 AM |
#30 |
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So then, you would argue against all the war memorials... WWII
|
hlthe2b |
Aug-07-11 09:26 AM |
#149 |
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I call those who fought for the Confederacy TRAITORS. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:13 AM |
#47 |
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So do I. nt |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:15 AM |
#49 |
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Most Civil War memorial statues were bronze |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 06:39 AM |
#130 |
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Folks in the Balkans have held grudges for almost 700 years. 150 years in nothing. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:06 AM |
#32 |
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How about 1500? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:16 AM |
#51 |
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The Balkans seem to renew the wounds every seven decades. |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:18 AM |
#53 |
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The Balkans have different ethnic groups as enemies. The American N&S did not. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-07-11 07:40 AM |
#142 |
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Southerners seem like a distinct ethnic group to me. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-07-11 12:23 PM |
#172 |
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The answer is quite simple. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Aug-07-11 12:08 AM |
#36 |
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Thing is, it is unhealthy to dwell on the Confederacy today |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:10 AM |
#42 |
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Good luck with that viewpoint |
Spider Jerusalem |
Aug-07-11 12:21 AM |
#55 |
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No no no - THEY didn't fight a war. Their ancestors did. |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:23 AM |
#62 |
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Generational memory is very long |
Spider Jerusalem |
Aug-07-11 12:29 AM |
#67 |
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You want to understand this, in some way? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:36 AM |
#77 |
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The South brought the fight onto themselves. The Union did not bombard |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:21 AM |
#56 |
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fwiw, my family never spoke of the Civil War, despite being in the South since 1850 |
steve2470 |
Aug-07-11 12:09 AM |
#39 |
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I hope so. Because if the South is responsible for another Civil War, |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:23 AM |
#61 |
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If we have another civil war, I doubt it will be the South |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:36 AM |
#76 |
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It's funny |
johnnie |
Aug-07-11 12:21 AM |
#54 |
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Oh BS. |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:35 AM |
#75 |
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YOU don't but YOU are not all Southerners |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:36 AM |
#78 |
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I HEARD you. |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:40 AM |
#83 |
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Anytime I see the CSA Naval Jack on a car, I see obsessed people |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:41 AM |
#84 |
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One obsessed person? |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:43 AM |
#85 |
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Oh BS. |
johnnie |
Aug-07-11 12:45 AM |
#86 |
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Why would I ? |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:50 AM |
#87 |
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"I've met a lot of southerners and most of them" |
johnnie |
Aug-07-11 01:15 AM |
#98 |
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Yes. I can honestly say that. |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 01:24 AM |
#103 |
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Then your southern roots have been held back from you |
johnnie |
Aug-07-11 01:41 AM |
#108 |
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Same here. |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 05:53 AM |
#124 |
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But he saw a PLATE! |
idiotgardener |
Aug-07-11 11:59 AM |
#169 |
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! |
JVS |
Aug-07-11 12:21 AM |
#57 |
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It's not like that here. Richmond was the capital. It's like asking why |
Tunkamerica |
Aug-07-11 12:22 AM |
#58 |
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Where are you from, Taverner? |
Withywindle |
Aug-07-11 12:22 AM |
#59 |
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There is a difference between knowing your history, and obsessing over it |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:28 AM |
#64 |
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I don't know anyone who obsesses over it, honestly. |
Withywindle |
Aug-07-11 12:53 AM |
#88 |
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Born and raised in California. Parents from the Midwest: MI and IA |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 01:06 AM |
#96 |
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Do you know the oral history of your parents' respective ancestors? |
Withywindle |
Aug-07-11 01:29 AM |
#104 |
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An Addendum - gathering stories from elders was something I was taught to do from elementary school |
Withywindle |
Aug-07-11 01:43 AM |
#109 |
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Thank you for posting. |
pintobean |
Aug-07-11 05:36 AM |
#122 |
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I don't mind the caring. I do mind the aggressive imagery, like confederate battle flags. |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:32 AM |
#71 |
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Exactly. No one here flies the 33 star American Flag |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:33 AM |
#73 |
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No one actually flies the CSA national flag, |
Withywindle |
Aug-07-11 12:58 AM |
#92 |
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What's stuck in your craw? What made you so upset? |
lynne |
Aug-07-11 12:28 AM |
#65 |
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I live in a part of the country where Irish, Italian and Greek family roots |
bluestate10 |
Aug-07-11 12:37 AM |
#79 |
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Yep. Speaking of a good friend of the family (Greek) son just married a Turkish Woman |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:39 AM |
#81 |
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Alas that is the nature of immigrants |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-07-11 12:55 AM |
#91 |
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The difference is that they don't see them as black sheep - |
lynne |
Aug-07-11 01:10 AM |
#97 |
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I just saw the moive 'The Freshman' Brando has a picture of |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-07-11 09:19 AM |
#148 |
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Because they are taught to not "get over" it. |
begin_within |
Aug-07-11 12:30 AM |
#69 |
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It's an identity thing as much as a culture thing. |
no_hypocrisy |
Aug-07-11 07:08 AM |
#137 |
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Why doesn't the Middle East get over their 2000-year old squabbles. They all act like children |
Speck Tater |
Aug-07-11 12:37 AM |
#80 |
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Agreed. NT |
Taverner |
Aug-07-11 12:39 AM |
#82 |
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Ironcally enough they are usually fighting over God. Who should be that supervisor. |
white_wolf |
Aug-07-11 01:03 AM |
#94 |
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Actually they usually fight over land and resources |
Union Scribe |
Aug-07-11 01:39 AM |
#107 |
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Unrec'd for on and on with attack on the South |
Bryn |
Aug-07-11 12:54 AM |
#90 |
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"Nawtherners" |
johnnie |
Aug-07-11 01:21 AM |
#102 |
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What does it say? |
pintobean |
Aug-07-11 05:56 AM |
#125 |
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Why don't we get over Vietnam? Or WWII? Because the lessons are important to remember |
TeamsterDem |
Aug-07-11 12:58 AM |
#93 |
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They just haven't gotten around to rising again yet. |
slackmaster |
Aug-07-11 01:05 AM |
#95 |
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I think because the Civil War is such an important part of the South's distict identity |
RZM |
Aug-07-11 01:18 AM |
#100 |
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Because it is not about the war, it is about home. |
kctim |
Aug-07-11 02:06 AM |
#110 |
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Just think where we would all be economically if we had split. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Aug-07-11 02:09 AM |
#111 |
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Fuck if I know. |
Rex |
Aug-07-11 02:42 AM |
#113 |
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Because the myth of "The Lost Cause" was a staple of southern culture |
Adsos Letter |
Aug-07-11 03:28 AM |
#116 |
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Aug-07-11 03:56 AM |
#117 |
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Because they can't get over the fact that they LOST. |
6000eliot |
Aug-07-11 05:30 AM |
#120 |
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Aug-07-11 06:17 AM |
#126 |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-07-11 06:29 AM |
#127 |
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Not really. The South, as a whole, takes more money from the Federal Govt than they give |
Cali_Democrat |
Aug-07-11 06:34 AM |
#128 |
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They're poor. |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 06:42 AM |
#131 |
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I would Buy a Refridigator |
OBlueDog |
Aug-07-11 06:52 AM |
#133 |
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People in the South aren't 'Rebs'. LOL |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 06:57 AM |
#134 |
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Do they make 'refridigators' in Alabama? |
Obamanaut |
Aug-07-11 08:48 AM |
#144 |
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Actually those are made in Florida!! |
madinmaryland |
Aug-07-11 11:16 AM |
#163 |
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Florida sells water in St Augustine to the tourists who believe it will |
Obamanaut |
Aug-07-11 11:32 AM |
#165 |
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Is that some kind of northern-climate crocodile? (nt) |
idiotgardener |
Aug-07-11 12:03 PM |
#170 |
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Reds Stares = the REAL welfare Queens |
OBlueDog |
Aug-07-11 06:47 AM |
#132 |
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That's not true. |
Mimosa |
Aug-07-11 06:59 AM |
#135 |
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Florida was one of the 11, and was among the first to secede. nt |
Obamanaut |
Aug-07-11 10:54 AM |
#162 |
| -
"Reds Stares" = Harsh glares from Communists |
Obamanaut |
Aug-07-11 11:34 AM |
#166 |
| -
Robert E Lee Killed more Americans than OBL |
OBlueDog |
Aug-07-11 06:37 AM |
#129 |
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Because the Federal Government pays them to languish |
divvy |
Aug-07-11 07:01 AM |
#136 |
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The VAST VAST majority of people ARE over it... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Aug-07-11 07:10 AM |
#138 |
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When you say "...the South...", could you be more specific? Is it everyone in "the South", |
Obamanaut |
Aug-07-11 07:27 AM |
#139 |
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I think a better question is why can't DU get over the Civil War? |
JanMichael |
Aug-07-11 07:32 AM |
#140 |
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A story from very recent DU. |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-07-11 09:34 AM |
#150 |
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+10000000 |
Texasgal |
Aug-07-11 12:34 PM |
#179 |
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I won't presume to speak for everyone, but I will state this: |
Joe Fields |
Aug-07-11 09:13 AM |
#147 |
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Hi. I'm from the South. Never been in, or even seen, an argument about the Civil War. So now |
DirkGently |
Aug-07-11 11:54 AM |
#167 |
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Why The Hell Did You Bring It Up? |
Paladin |
Aug-07-11 09:51 AM |
#153 |
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Agreed... |
hlthe2b |
Aug-07-11 09:57 AM |
#155 |
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second agreed; there are some posters here that just can't |
JanMichael |
Aug-07-11 10:08 AM |
#157 |
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The nature of the beast. |
pintobean |
Aug-07-11 12:04 PM |
#171 |
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I think many |
frogmarch |
Aug-07-11 09:57 AM |
#154 |
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I have lived in the South. I won't live there again. |
Faygo Kid |
Aug-07-11 10:03 AM |
#156 |
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How would you characterize the "strain of hate" in the Michigan militia movement? |
DirkGently |
Aug-07-11 12:28 PM |
#173 |
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Michigan militia? Like the 'Tea Party,' overblown. |
Faygo Kid |
Aug-07-11 12:34 PM |
#178 |
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It's not just regional now. The Tea Party are "virtual secessionists" |
gulliver |
Aug-07-11 11:56 AM |
#168 |
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It IS a loaded question, |
cordelia |
Aug-07-11 12:28 PM |
#174 |
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+100% |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-07-11 12:36 PM |
#181 |
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spot on... |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Aug-07-11 12:36 PM |
#182 |
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Locking |
TrogL |
Aug-07-11 12:37 PM |
#183 |
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