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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:00 AM
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9. Leftward progress? We're about to lay hands on the vestiges of the New Deal.
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  -As one of the strongest US presidents EVER, Obama is bizarro FDR | Salon/Sirota nashville_brook  Aug-05-11 10:42 AM   #0 
  - The "list" proves this  Hawkowl   Aug-05-11 10:45 AM   #1 
  - comes a point where it can't cut both ways. Sirota makes a good point, and does it better  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 10:55 AM   #2 
  - Dupe  villager   Aug-05-11 10:59 AM   #6 
  - it's a paradox, a zen koan - just let the "ideology" wash over you  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 11:03 AM   #12 
  - Can it be reconciled? The utterly helpless leader for our times?  villager   Aug-05-11 11:06 AM   #13 
  - Oh's a make it go hoo.  SugarShack   Aug-05-11 02:03 PM   #43 
  - One of the great apologias we keep hearing: "Obama is a great leader! But he's too weak! He's  villager   Aug-05-11 10:59 AM   #7 
     - Omgosh!!! Villager, that's so well said!  tblue   Aug-05-11 11:16 AM   #18 
     - Well, thanks, but I wish we had the guy I voted for in there, instead  villager   Aug-05-11 11:25 AM   #22 
     - Obama Bound.  EFerrari   Aug-05-11 11:42 AM   #28 
  - You prove that ideologues don't give a shit about REALITY. Ignore the actual leftward progress  KittyWampus   Aug-05-11 10:57 AM   #4 
     - can you explain what you mean by "ideologues?"  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 10:59 AM   #8 
     - Leftward progress? We're about to lay hands on the vestiges of the New Deal.  mmonk   Aug-05-11 11:00 AM   #9 
     - well you see, if you weren't such an ideologue about this Social Security thing, you see that CEOs  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 11:15 AM   #17 
        - I forgot.  mmonk   Aug-05-11 11:21 AM   #20 
     - Anymore economic "leftward progress" by Obama and we shall enter a full scale economic depression!  Better Believe It   Aug-05-11 11:01 AM   #10 
     - it's all relative...  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 12:53 PM   #38 
     - it has for some, I did read somewhere that some will follow their leader no  StarsInHerHair   Aug-05-11 10:27 PM   #60 
     - Sweetie, you lost your grip on reality the moment you saw Obama in his swim trunks.  Lorien   Aug-05-11 08:54 PM   #57 
  - Sirota knows how to play to his ideologue audience. Doesn't matter he's lying.  KittyWampus   Aug-05-11 10:56 AM   #3 
  - so, you disagree that Obama is fundamentally a strong president -- you hold that he is weak?  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 10:58 AM   #5 
     - Yes, we must pity him.  tblue   Aug-05-11 11:34 AM   #24 
  - Utter  ProSense   Aug-05-11 11:02 AM   #11 
  - Oh but it's wrong to use a blue link to prove something!  treestar   Aug-05-11 11:07 AM   #14 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-05-11 11:25 AM   #21 
  - Bernie Sanders is a convenient progressive stamp of approval -- but you misrepresent him...  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 11:08 AM   #16 
  - But shouldn't he have stood his ground?  treestar   Aug-05-11 11:56 AM   #30 
  - It is Mitt Romney's plan  Hawkowl   Aug-05-11 11:20 AM   #19 
  - Absolutely accurate. This is why Liberals are upset. He is not  OHdem10   Aug-05-11 11:07 AM   #15 
  - ************FDR HAD 83% DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS************* MORE OBAMA BASHING!!!  uponit7771   Aug-05-11 11:26 AM   #23 
  - "It's Not His Fault: Obama 2012".  EFerrari   Aug-05-11 11:38 AM   #26 
  - LOL  bvar22   Aug-05-11 01:06 PM   #39 
  - Oh, God. That's EXACTLY what it's going to be, isn't it? Incumbents rarely win that argument.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 03:07 PM   #48 
  - not when he started. He got the people on his side and had  OHdem10   Aug-05-11 12:13 PM   #32 
  - Right. Then it was a handful of Republican Senators who were too much to handle.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 05:24 PM   #52 
  - so did Obama -- for two years.  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 12:49 PM   #36 
  - Obama 2012:  _ed_   Aug-06-11 09:44 AM   #61 
  - But, but  ProSense   Aug-05-11 11:37 AM   #25 
  - what would reagan do?  meow mix   Aug-05-11 11:41 AM   #27 
  - "one of the strongest . . . " - you don't see that very often - for good reason  DrDan   Aug-05-11 11:50 AM   #29 
  - Okay, when moron* fucked up, we blamed him*...  Javaman   Aug-05-11 11:56 AM   #31 
  - that's the brain-wrecking effect of personality politics. we're expected to weep like tweens for our  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 12:47 PM   #35 
     - ...  Javaman   Aug-05-11 01:48 PM   #41 
     - YES. Unfortunately, while leadership is a JOB, politics is a personality & fund-raising contest.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 02:27 PM   #45 
     - I can only imagine what their bedrooms look like  Lorien   Aug-05-11 08:52 PM   #56 
        - you think there is such a thing as Obama underoos?  TK421   Aug-05-11 09:04 PM   #59 
  - This is emerging as bottom line on Obama. He's a pro-corporate, anti-social program conservative.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 12:40 PM   #33 
  - He is the most powerful corporate suit we've ever had  Rex   Aug-05-11 12:44 PM   #34 
  - Yes. I tire of hearing how impotent he is to close Gitmo or let tax cuts expire, etc.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 02:24 PM   #44 
     - Most people get confused about what he can do and what Congress  Rex   Aug-05-11 02:40 PM   #46 
        - He can argue the truth AND stick to it. His hero Reagan demanded a clean raise of the cap and GOT IT  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 03:04 PM   #47 
           - I still cannot believe his hero is Ronald Reagan!  Rex   Aug-05-11 03:15 PM   #50 
              - And a huge, HUGE, corporate shill. I swear those "hearing aids" were piping in instructions from GE.  DirkGently   Aug-05-11 03:49 PM   #51 
  - ground-up, smash mouth politics - starting with precinct captainships.  nashville_brook   Aug-05-11 06:18 PM   #54 
  - Glad to see some in the media finally waking up.  woo me with science   Aug-05-11 12:51 PM   #37 
  - k&r. nt  awoke_in_2003   Aug-05-11 01:14 PM   #40 
  - Liberal=Humanitarian not Corporate  fascisthunter   Aug-05-11 01:57 PM   #42 
  - k & r  girl gone mad   Aug-05-11 03:12 PM   #49 
  - absolutely!  ibegurpard   Aug-05-11 05:27 PM   #53 
  - K&R  amborin   Aug-05-11 06:27 PM   #55 
  - ''The president has the political muscle to enact a progressive agenda, but he doesn't want to.''  Octafish   Aug-05-11 08:56 PM   #58 
  - political power is not just about legislation - it's about strategy  nashville_brook   Aug-06-11 11:20 AM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-06-11 11:37 AM   #63 

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