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Wed Aug-03-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #135 |
| 140. Actually, the fix put in during the Reagan administration changed that |
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That's when the rate went up and the Boomers began paying for both our parents' and our Social Security benefits. It's also why SS is solvent and will remain that way for quite a while.
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| -The money you put into social security isn't yours. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:19 AM |
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What's your point? |
DURHAM D |
Aug-03-11 09:22 AM |
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Aug-03-11 09:24 AM |
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Accept what your benevolent government decides or you're helping elect Sarah Palin. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:35 AM |
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Didn't quite pull that one off, I'm afraid. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 11:20 AM |
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I think the point is it's a communist plot |
Capn Sunshine |
Aug-03-11 09:40 PM |
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Yes, I understand that future SS payments to me come from the status quo of |
no_hypocrisy |
Aug-03-11 09:23 AM |
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You do realize privatizing social security is getting rid of it, don't you? |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 09:25 AM |
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I'm actually trying to fix the misconception that the money we put in is ours. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:54 PM |
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It depends on if the concept of we the people still exists, that we are the |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 04:31 PM |
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Well for one, the $2.2 trillion fund would pay the $700 billion in yearly SS payments for 3 years |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:38 PM |
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It's 2.7 and we're ok for 25 more years. |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 09:47 PM |
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Odd framing of facts everyone knows. What is your point? |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-03-11 09:25 AM |
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distortion intended to push privatization |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:24 PM |
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Actually just pointing out that people are assuming it's already privatized |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:01 PM |
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It's a transfer program. Unrec. Why do you hate SS so much? Every day it's a new post. |
jtown1123 |
Aug-03-11 09:27 AM |
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+1 |
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Aug-03-11 09:29 AM |
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Aug-03-11 09:35 AM |
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Aug-03-11 10:04 AM |
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+1+1+1+1 |
nashville_brook |
Aug-03-11 12:00 PM |
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Good question. |
Rex |
Aug-03-11 01:56 PM |
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Aug-03-11 03:24 PM |
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+1 |
pinboy3niner |
Aug-03-11 03:55 PM |
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Aug-03-11 05:49 PM |
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everyone knows too |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 06:56 PM |
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I am a donor to the party, to Obama, to my Rep, huge for Howard Dean. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:27 PM |
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Sell the garbage somewhere else. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 09:38 PM |
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It's a mission, apparently. Unrec for the OP, big thumbs up for you. |
scarletwoman |
Aug-03-11 09:24 PM |
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The money may not be "ours", but... |
RC |
Aug-03-11 09:30 AM |
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there is no contractural right |
alc |
Aug-03-11 10:10 AM |
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It is not a right in the sense that Congress can amend the SS laws. UNTIL such |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:13 PM |
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We Know That Already |
Yavin4 |
Aug-03-11 09:31 AM |
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The average 401K comes to about 98,000 |
Skink |
Aug-03-11 09:34 AM |
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Same song, same verse, same singer. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-03-11 09:34 AM |
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Remember the 700th time you heard "stairway to heaven"? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-03-11 10:18 AM |
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I'm still not breaking through. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:33 PM |
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ops wrong spot |
whatchamacallit |
Aug-03-11 10:30 PM |
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Privatization wouldn't guarantee anything--want to take a look at |
lonestarlib |
Aug-03-11 09:40 AM |
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Is it like mine-a 101a? |
hobbit709 |
Aug-03-11 09:43 AM |
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That 401k is still yours. It's not going to be used to fund the next guy's retirement. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:46 AM |
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Oh my God. You think Grandpa & Grandma depleted SS? |
Oilwellian |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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There was no fund there for them to deplete. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 11:45 AM |
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Look. Just argue from your own selfish viewpoint and use the pronoun "I". Drop "the later guys". |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:26 AM |
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I'm not expecting anything. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 11:48 AM |
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Do you always drink the republiCON tea? n/t |
dgibby |
Aug-03-11 01:07 PM |
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Thanks. Your concern is duly noted. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:14 PM |
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How many times do you have to be reminded.. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 12:51 PM |
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Your economic lesson on how we can print numerous trillion dollar coins |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:18 PM |
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We can do it to retire all of the debt. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 04:19 PM |
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Why doesn't Paul Krugman advocate this? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:47 PM |
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You can read Krugman's opinion on the platinum coin solution.. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 07:10 PM |
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He says it sounds "ridiculous". |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 07:43 PM |
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He says it "sounds" ridiculous, but he also says "why not use it?" |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 07:48 PM |
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This is a very important point |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-03-11 09:48 AM |
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+1. In some ways the Trust Fund confuses things more. |
Recursion |
Aug-03-11 10:20 AM |
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VERY nice post! But we have not seen any new tools which seem to fit your bill. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 10:46 AM |
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Nice point yourself! n/t |
JimDandy |
Aug-03-11 04:14 PM |
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Self-delete due to technical error. n/t. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-03-11 01:00 PM |
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Excellent post, alcibiades_mystery. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-03-11 01:02 PM |
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Thank you. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:15 PM |
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You mean there's not a pile of money stashed away with *MY* name on it? |
Cirque du So-What |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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As all Republicans Always say. |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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The money we put into SS was not put there to fund government operations. |
Jim__ |
Aug-03-11 09:57 AM |
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And I'm so grateful that 'some people' are working sofa king HARD on their behalf! |
Cirque du So-What |
Aug-03-11 10:07 AM |
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No. It's "ours". |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-03-11 10:17 AM |
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You're really trying hard not to call SS a "Ponzi scheme," aren't you? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:18 AM |
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Eighty years worth, with at least 30 years left... some Ponzi scheme! |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:42 AM |
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Lol. I just described how it works. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:01 PM |
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Well, from what I can see |
EC |
Aug-03-11 10:23 AM |
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Come on dkf |
kctim |
Aug-03-11 10:35 AM |
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Arguing for the Republican side doesn't sit well here, that is true. Your point, though? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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My point is that |
kctim |
Aug-03-11 12:21 PM |
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if you are a republican I guess you could conclude what you have |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 10:39 AM |
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who's money is it? |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 10:36 AM |
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It went to a retiree. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:05 PM |
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Well, I am a retiree, so does that mean the money |
RebelOne |
Aug-03-11 12:26 PM |
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Someone else gave it to you |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:35 PM |
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so...we're giving it to each other? and the money belongs to no one? |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 01:59 PM |
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It's a pay as you go system |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 02:21 PM |
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whew! OK, I thought I was reading that the money won't be there for me someday |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 02:33 PM |
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There is no money in there or not enough to represent what you paid in. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 03:07 PM |
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more anti-ss BS |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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Here I'll post this for you too. It's from the social security administration. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:08 PM |
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I love the fact that DU is now a place to disparage Social Security. |
madfloridian |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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DU has a liberal immigration policy. ;-) |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:39 AM |
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Describing how social security works is disparaging it? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:10 PM |
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Aug-03-11 12:33 PM |
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+1 |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 12:57 PM |
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The money you put in equities or bonds or Wall Street "retirement accounts" isn't yours, either. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:40 AM |
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Very good reply. |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-03-11 11:02 AM |
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i've seen that avatar before. jon, is it you? eom |
ellenfl |
Aug-03-11 12:03 PM |
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Nope, sorry. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 12:35 PM |
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that's ok. you never know if you don't ask. eom |
ellenfl |
Aug-04-11 10:55 AM |
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Stocks and bonds are assets that you own like any other thing you own. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:16 PM |
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Retirement accounts are NOT like that at all. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 12:39 PM |
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What does gain or loss or penalties have to do with ownership? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:37 PM |
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What we have here |
pscot |
Aug-03-11 10:59 AM |
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But the people that want to fuck with it answer to me & about 57 million other Americans. |
William769 |
Aug-03-11 11:50 AM |
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Exactly. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:18 PM |
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Then I demand it be left on my paycheck. |
Modern_Matthew |
Aug-03-11 11:57 AM |
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BILGE! don't distort to push privatization; workers' payroll taxes fund Soc Sec, it's their $$ |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:22 PM |
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If you believe in a system where what you pay in goes to a retiree then you |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:48 PM |
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stop pushing privatization |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:50 PM |
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I'm not pushing it. I'm just pointing out that some seem to think |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:58 PM |
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Wheeee! Right wing talking points! Privatized accounts are the way ahead for the private individual! |
AlabamaLibrul |
Aug-03-11 12:27 PM |
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Or maybe you could cheer for a system where you pay for retirees and |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:55 PM |
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But unemployment money IS yours |
Taverner |
Aug-03-11 12:56 PM |
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I guess I would call it group term insurance if I needed to categorize it |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:14 PM |
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unRec |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 12:58 PM |
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This is why the Democrats will lose you all when they try to fix social security |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:23 PM |
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Please explain why Wall Street & the DOD think OUR $$ belongs to THEM |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 01:25 PM |
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What needs to be fixed about SS? Just raise the damn cap. |
jtown1123 |
Aug-03-11 01:41 PM |
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Lol that is a fix! |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:51 PM |
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It's actually the opposite of the RW talking point |
metalbot |
Aug-03-11 01:51 PM |
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Thank you. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:53 PM |
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Aug-03-11 01:27 PM |
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He gets it. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:56 PM |
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Cat |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Aug-03-11 02:01 PM |
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Correct - its a premium payment on an insurance policy, and you own it. |
ThomWV |
Aug-03-11 02:38 PM |
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Not anymore! |
bvar22 |
Aug-03-11 03:45 PM |
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Fascinating thread. Nobody has disputed the accuracy of your statement, |
Nye Bevan |
Aug-03-11 04:28 PM |
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You must not have read every post. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 04:56 PM |
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Calling this a right wing statement does not refute the basic facts. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:41 PM |
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I dispute the merit of her arguments. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 04:59 PM |
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As long as there are taxes coming in there are funds that can come out |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:45 PM |
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Taxes don't fund government spending. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 06:58 PM |
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. |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 07:00 PM |
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IT'S OURS |
Matariki |
Aug-03-11 04:54 PM |
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The premise is disingenuous. True, what I paid in at age 26 I will receive in some govt-determined |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:11 PM |
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Exactly! I pay for insurance to cover risk, not as an investment account. Analogy fail in OP. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 05:46 PM |
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That is how your payments look if they don't change the laws. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:55 PM |
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So what? My private accounts guarantee nothing as well. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 08:04 PM |
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Why is it disingenuous to point out there is no "personal account of winkydink" |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:51 PM |
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Aug-03-11 09:07 PM |
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Edit: Not worth getting the mods involved over |
a la izquierda |
Aug-03-11 06:46 PM |
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In the same sense, money you deposit in a bank is not "yours." It's a contract. |
DirkGently |
Aug-03-11 07:08 PM |
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You are correct, we have no legal claim to the money we pay in. Rich guys buy bonds |
hansberrym |
Aug-03-11 07:12 PM |
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Yes, it's false, but that idea is what protects SS, so STFU about it. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-03-11 07:58 PM |
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You know I'm beginning to think that is the truth. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 08:58 PM |
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This post is tenderizer, intended to soften up the masses for when cuts to SS are called "necessary" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-03-11 08:01 PM |
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Do you understand that in order to not cut benefits you have to make changes? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:06 PM |
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Yup Yup. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-03-11 09:16 PM |
#132 |
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MY S.S. payments are going to my fathers retirement check |
rustydog |
Aug-03-11 09:30 PM |
#135 |
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Actually, the fix put in during the Reagan administration changed that |
dflprincess |
Aug-03-11 09:56 PM |
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True |
quaker bill |
Aug-03-11 09:36 PM |
#136 |
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Ahhhh, we get to what privatization is actually all about. A few people getting rich..... |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 10:24 PM |
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The actions republicans take do not match |
quaker bill |
Aug-04-11 06:00 AM |
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In other news, water is wet.... ;) Yet we'll be hearing about the joys of BOTH shortly. |
Pholus |
Aug-04-11 07:14 AM |
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