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| -The money you put into social security isn't yours. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:19 AM |
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What's your point? |
DURHAM D |
Aug-03-11 09:22 AM |
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Aug-03-11 09:24 AM |
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Accept what your benevolent government decides or you're helping elect Sarah Palin. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:35 AM |
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Didn't quite pull that one off, I'm afraid. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 11:20 AM |
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I think the point is it's a communist plot |
Capn Sunshine |
Aug-03-11 09:40 PM |
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Yes, I understand that future SS payments to me come from the status quo of |
no_hypocrisy |
Aug-03-11 09:23 AM |
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You do realize privatizing social security is getting rid of it, don't you? |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 09:25 AM |
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I'm actually trying to fix the misconception that the money we put in is ours. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:54 PM |
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It depends on if the concept of we the people still exists, that we are the |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 04:31 PM |
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Well for one, the $2.2 trillion fund would pay the $700 billion in yearly SS payments for 3 years |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:38 PM |
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It's 2.7 and we're ok for 25 more years. |
mmonk |
Aug-03-11 09:47 PM |
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Odd framing of facts everyone knows. What is your point? |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-03-11 09:25 AM |
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distortion intended to push privatization |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:24 PM |
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Actually just pointing out that people are assuming it's already privatized |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:01 PM |
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It's a transfer program. Unrec. Why do you hate SS so much? Every day it's a new post. |
jtown1123 |
Aug-03-11 09:27 AM |
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+1 |
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Aug-03-11 09:29 AM |
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Aug-03-11 10:04 AM |
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+1+1+1+1 |
nashville_brook |
Aug-03-11 12:00 PM |
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Good question. |
Rex |
Aug-03-11 01:56 PM |
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+1 |
pinboy3niner |
Aug-03-11 03:55 PM |
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Aug-03-11 05:49 PM |
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everyone knows too |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 06:56 PM |
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I am a donor to the party, to Obama, to my Rep, huge for Howard Dean. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:27 PM |
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Sell the garbage somewhere else. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 09:38 PM |
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It's a mission, apparently. Unrec for the OP, big thumbs up for you. |
scarletwoman |
Aug-03-11 09:24 PM |
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The money may not be "ours", but... |
RC |
Aug-03-11 09:30 AM |
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there is no contractural right |
alc |
Aug-03-11 10:10 AM |
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It is not a right in the sense that Congress can amend the SS laws. UNTIL such |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:13 PM |
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We Know That Already |
Yavin4 |
Aug-03-11 09:31 AM |
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The average 401K comes to about 98,000 |
Skink |
Aug-03-11 09:34 AM |
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Same song, same verse, same singer. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-03-11 09:34 AM |
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Remember the 700th time you heard "stairway to heaven"? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-03-11 10:18 AM |
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I'm still not breaking through. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:33 PM |
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ops wrong spot |
whatchamacallit |
Aug-03-11 10:30 PM |
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Privatization wouldn't guarantee anything--want to take a look at |
lonestarlib |
Aug-03-11 09:40 AM |
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Is it like mine-a 101a? |
hobbit709 |
Aug-03-11 09:43 AM |
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That 401k is still yours. It's not going to be used to fund the next guy's retirement. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:46 AM |
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Oh my God. You think Grandpa & Grandma depleted SS? |
Oilwellian |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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There was no fund there for them to deplete. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 11:45 AM |
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Look. Just argue from your own selfish viewpoint and use the pronoun "I". Drop "the later guys". |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:26 AM |
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I'm not expecting anything. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 11:48 AM |
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Do you always drink the republiCON tea? n/t |
dgibby |
Aug-03-11 01:07 PM |
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Thanks. Your concern is duly noted. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:14 PM |
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How many times do you have to be reminded.. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 12:51 PM |
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Your economic lesson on how we can print numerous trillion dollar coins |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:18 PM |
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We can do it to retire all of the debt. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 04:19 PM |
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Why doesn't Paul Krugman advocate this? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:47 PM |
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You can read Krugman's opinion on the platinum coin solution.. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 07:10 PM |
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He says it sounds "ridiculous". |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 07:43 PM |
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He says it "sounds" ridiculous, but he also says "why not use it?" |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 07:48 PM |
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This is a very important point |
alcibiades_mystery |
Aug-03-11 09:48 AM |
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+1. In some ways the Trust Fund confuses things more. |
Recursion |
Aug-03-11 10:20 AM |
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VERY nice post! But we have not seen any new tools which seem to fit your bill. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 10:46 AM |
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Nice point yourself! n/t |
JimDandy |
Aug-03-11 04:14 PM |
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Self-delete due to technical error. n/t. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-03-11 01:00 PM |
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Excellent post, alcibiades_mystery. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-03-11 01:02 PM |
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Thank you. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:15 PM |
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You mean there's not a pile of money stashed away with *MY* name on it? |
Cirque du So-What |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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As all Republicans Always say. |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-03-11 09:51 AM |
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The money we put into SS was not put there to fund government operations. |
Jim__ |
Aug-03-11 09:57 AM |
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And I'm so grateful that 'some people' are working sofa king HARD on their behalf! |
Cirque du So-What |
Aug-03-11 10:07 AM |
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No. It's "ours". |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-03-11 10:17 AM |
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You're really trying hard not to call SS a "Ponzi scheme," aren't you? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:18 AM |
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Eighty years worth, with at least 30 years left... some Ponzi scheme! |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:42 AM |
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Lol. I just described how it works. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:01 PM |
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Well, from what I can see |
EC |
Aug-03-11 10:23 AM |
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Come on dkf |
kctim |
Aug-03-11 10:35 AM |
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Arguing for the Republican side doesn't sit well here, that is true. Your point, though? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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My point is that |
kctim |
Aug-03-11 12:21 PM |
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if you are a republican I guess you could conclude what you have |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 10:39 AM |
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who's money is it? |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 10:36 AM |
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It went to a retiree. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:05 PM |
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Well, I am a retiree, so does that mean the money |
RebelOne |
Aug-03-11 12:26 PM |
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Someone else gave it to you |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:35 PM |
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so...we're giving it to each other? and the money belongs to no one? |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 01:59 PM |
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It's a pay as you go system |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 02:21 PM |
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whew! OK, I thought I was reading that the money won't be there for me someday |
TK421 |
Aug-03-11 02:33 PM |
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There is no money in there or not enough to represent what you paid in. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 03:07 PM |
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more anti-ss BS |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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Here I'll post this for you too. It's from the social security administration. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:08 PM |
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I love the fact that DU is now a place to disparage Social Security. |
madfloridian |
Aug-03-11 10:38 AM |
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DU has a liberal immigration policy. ;-) |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 10:39 AM |
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Describing how social security works is disparaging it? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:10 PM |
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Aug-03-11 12:33 PM |
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+1 |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 12:57 PM |
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The money you put in equities or bonds or Wall Street "retirement accounts" isn't yours, either. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 10:40 AM |
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Very good reply. |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-03-11 11:02 AM |
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i've seen that avatar before. jon, is it you? eom |
ellenfl |
Aug-03-11 12:03 PM |
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Nope, sorry. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 12:35 PM |
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that's ok. you never know if you don't ask. eom |
ellenfl |
Aug-04-11 10:55 AM |
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Stocks and bonds are assets that you own like any other thing you own. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:16 PM |
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Retirement accounts are NOT like that at all. |
JackRiddler |
Aug-03-11 12:39 PM |
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What does gain or loss or penalties have to do with ownership? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:37 PM |
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What we have here |
pscot |
Aug-03-11 10:59 AM |
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But the people that want to fuck with it answer to me & about 57 million other Americans. |
William769 |
Aug-03-11 11:50 AM |
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Exactly. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:18 PM |
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Then I demand it be left on my paycheck. |
Modern_Matthew |
Aug-03-11 11:57 AM |
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BILGE! don't distort to push privatization; workers' payroll taxes fund Soc Sec, it's their $$ |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:22 PM |
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If you believe in a system where what you pay in goes to a retiree then you |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:48 PM |
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stop pushing privatization |
amborin |
Aug-03-11 12:50 PM |
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I'm not pushing it. I'm just pointing out that some seem to think |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:58 PM |
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Wheeee! Right wing talking points! Privatized accounts are the way ahead for the private individual! |
AlabamaLibrul |
Aug-03-11 12:27 PM |
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Or maybe you could cheer for a system where you pay for retirees and |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 12:55 PM |
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But unemployment money IS yours |
Taverner |
Aug-03-11 12:56 PM |
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I guess I would call it group term insurance if I needed to categorize it |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:14 PM |
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unRec |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 12:58 PM |
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This is why the Democrats will lose you all when they try to fix social security |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:23 PM |
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Please explain why Wall Street & the DOD think OUR $$ belongs to THEM |
leftstreet |
Aug-03-11 01:25 PM |
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What needs to be fixed about SS? Just raise the damn cap. |
jtown1123 |
Aug-03-11 01:41 PM |
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Lol that is a fix! |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:51 PM |
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It's actually the opposite of the RW talking point |
metalbot |
Aug-03-11 01:51 PM |
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Thank you. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:53 PM |
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Aug-03-11 01:27 PM |
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He gets it. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 01:56 PM |
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Cat |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Aug-03-11 02:01 PM |
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Correct - its a premium payment on an insurance policy, and you own it. |
ThomWV |
Aug-03-11 02:38 PM |
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Not anymore! |
bvar22 |
Aug-03-11 03:45 PM |
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Fascinating thread. Nobody has disputed the accuracy of your statement, |
Nye Bevan |
Aug-03-11 04:28 PM |
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You must not have read every post. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 04:56 PM |
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Calling this a right wing statement does not refute the basic facts. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:41 PM |
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I dispute the merit of her arguments. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 04:59 PM |
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As long as there are taxes coming in there are funds that can come out |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:45 PM |
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Taxes don't fund government spending. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-11 06:58 PM |
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. |
fascisthunter |
Aug-03-11 07:00 PM |
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IT'S OURS |
Matariki |
Aug-03-11 04:54 PM |
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The premise is disingenuous. True, what I paid in at age 26 I will receive in some govt-determined |
WinkyDink |
Aug-03-11 05:11 PM |
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Exactly! I pay for insurance to cover risk, not as an investment account. Analogy fail in OP. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 05:46 PM |
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That is how your payments look if they don't change the laws. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:55 PM |
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So what? My private accounts guarantee nothing as well. |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 08:04 PM |
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Why is it disingenuous to point out there is no "personal account of winkydink" |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 06:51 PM |
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Aug-03-11 09:07 PM |
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Edit: Not worth getting the mods involved over |
a la izquierda |
Aug-03-11 06:46 PM |
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In the same sense, money you deposit in a bank is not "yours." It's a contract. |
DirkGently |
Aug-03-11 07:08 PM |
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You are correct, we have no legal claim to the money we pay in. Rich guys buy bonds |
hansberrym |
Aug-03-11 07:12 PM |
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Yes, it's false, but that idea is what protects SS, so STFU about it. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-03-11 07:58 PM |
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You know I'm beginning to think that is the truth. |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 08:58 PM |
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This post is tenderizer, intended to soften up the masses for when cuts to SS are called "necessary" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-03-11 08:01 PM |
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Do you understand that in order to not cut benefits you have to make changes? |
dkf |
Aug-03-11 09:06 PM |
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Yup Yup. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-03-11 09:16 PM |
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MY S.S. payments are going to my fathers retirement check |
rustydog |
Aug-03-11 09:30 PM |
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Actually, the fix put in during the Reagan administration changed that |
dflprincess |
Aug-03-11 09:56 PM |
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True |
quaker bill |
Aug-03-11 09:36 PM |
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Ahhhh, we get to what privatization is actually all about. A few people getting rich..... |
Pholus |
Aug-03-11 10:24 PM |
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The actions republicans take do not match |
quaker bill |
Aug-04-11 06:00 AM |
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In other news, water is wet.... ;) Yet we'll be hearing about the joys of BOTH shortly. |
Pholus |
Aug-04-11 07:14 AM |
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