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90. That's the crux of the matter.
We're not going forward. We're going backward fast.
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  -He sounded cold, like seniors and the needy did not matter. Not even his own party matters to him. madfloridian  Jul-31-11 07:48 PM   #0 
  - Agreed. Didn't sound like a Dem President in the least n/t  OhioChick   Jul-31-11 07:50 PM   # 
  - He told a Latino group to "hold his feet to the fire."  SusanaMontana41   Aug-01-11 01:38 AM   #100 
  - So, in other words, American citizens need to spend their  Missy Vixen   Aug-01-11 01:15 PM   #134 
     - he is doing his job, missy. he's a stalking horse for the rich. he doesn't  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:46 PM   #149 
     - Russ Feingold - maybe?  truedelphi   Aug-01-11 06:09 PM   #182 
        - Someone needs to put a straw poll out there and see who is even  jwirr   Aug-01-11 06:43 PM   #187 
        - No. We pick a candidate with the understanding that we have to  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 09:05 PM   #201 
           - Thanks for that, JD.  truedelphi   Aug-01-11 09:50 PM   #203 
        - Feingold would be great. He is not dependent on corporate money.  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 09:04 PM   #200 
     - Exactly, Missy V. n/t  SusanaMontana41   Aug-01-11 04:22 PM   #159 
     - Missy  trud   Aug-01-11 05:09 PM   #169 
  - He sounded cold because he was cold.  woo me with science   Aug-01-11 01:26 PM   #136 
     - +1,000,000,000  StarsInHerHair   Aug-01-11 03:55 PM   #153 
  - What people will be struggling to realize over the next few days is....  AlabamaLibrul   Jul-31-11 07:50 PM   #1 
  - weepy...eom  Kolesar   Jul-31-11 07:52 PM   #3 
     - ?  AlabamaLibrul   Jul-31-11 07:54 PM   # 
  - Who are you talking about?  whathehell   Jul-31-11 07:52 PM   #2 
  - Chuck Todd. eom  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-31-11 08:45 PM   #41 
     - Not really.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:52 PM   #47 
     - Luke Russert?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-31-11 08:54 PM   #50 
     - Chuck Todd has "a party"?  whathehell   Jul-31-11 10:32 PM   #79 
  - When I look back at how hubby and I were so involved in politics in 2003...  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 07:53 PM   #4 
  - You treated politics like a football game, and now you're surprised it doesn't work the way you want  Joe the Revelator   Jul-31-11 10:31 PM   #78 
     - That's the crux of the matter.  girl gone mad   Aug-01-11 12:59 AM   #90 
     - And yet, it was those who refused to compromise who won!  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 01:07 AM   #91 
     - I said that long ago and this tent is far too big. n/t  Fire1   Aug-01-11 10:36 AM   #117 
     - NO. You don't sacrifice people. That's what this deal does.  SusanaMontana41   Aug-01-11 01:49 AM   #102 
     - Oh no!!  FlaGranny   Aug-01-11 09:20 AM   #112 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-11 12:33 PM   #127 
     - No, it's supposedly what "democracy" is. n/t  Fire1   Aug-01-11 01:14 PM   #133 
     - This situation was a ginned-up farce,  woo me with science   Aug-01-11 01:21 PM   #135 
     - BULLSHIT. n/t  Occulus   Aug-01-11 01:31 PM   #139 
     - Of course, it depends on what the compromise IS, ISN'T IT?  MrMickeysMom   Aug-01-11 02:57 PM   #141 
     - actually, its reasonable for people to expect that he will keep his  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:49 PM   #150 
     - that BS doesn't float anymore  fascisthunter   Aug-01-11 04:24 PM   #161 
     - Joe  trud   Aug-01-11 05:12 PM   #170 
     - There was no compromise or bipartisanship in this deal.  yardwork   Aug-01-11 05:17 PM   #173 
     - Interesting...that sure didn't seem to be what they were when Shrubya was in office.  lib_wit_it   Aug-01-11 05:25 PM   #174 
     - There is a BIG difference between compromise and capitulation.  AngryOldDem   Aug-01-11 06:11 PM   #183 
     - What do liberals get out of the deal? nt  valerief   Aug-01-11 06:49 PM   #188 
  - Well, my line in the sand says he is going to do it on his own.  Horse with no Name   Jul-31-11 07:54 PM   #5 
  - Save me a place.  Altoid_Cyclist   Aug-01-11 04:20 PM   #158 
  - Perhaps the President is pretty fucking pissed that Congress can't do their jobs?  CakeGrrl   Jul-31-11 07:54 PM   #6 
  - i agree with you on that point  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:31 PM   #31 
  - However, is it wrong to assume that Obama, who certainly was  truedelphi   Aug-01-11 06:15 PM   #184 
  - I'm a "centrist" here in that I don't think he wants to get involved in the shoveling  TheKentuckian   Jul-31-11 08:37 PM   #34 
  - So you say!  Zanzoobar   Jul-31-11 09:33 PM   #64 
  - Me either, but apparently  CakeGrrl   Jul-31-11 10:43 PM   #83 
  - He is undermining Dems in congress.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:39 PM   #36 
  - It isn't just perception, friend. That IS what happened.  SusanaMontana41   Aug-01-11 01:52 AM   #103 
  - you trust Congressional Dems? They said the public option was...  AllTooEasy   Aug-01-11 04:37 PM   #165 
  - there are those who never learn  bowens43   Jul-31-11 08:42 PM   #39 
  - Kind of hard to do their job  ohheckyeah   Jul-31-11 09:18 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-31-11 10:30 PM   #77 
  - WTH are you talking about?  CakeGrrl   Jul-31-11 10:40 PM   #82 
     - I think you are wrong about the projection.  Mojorabbit   Aug-01-11 12:01 AM   #84 
     - LOL - why do I shout?  Skittles   Aug-01-11 01:22 AM   #98 
        - +100  Myrina   Aug-01-11 07:55 AM   #105 
  - it won't be a fantasy. Imagine FDR or HST or LBJ accepting this  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:50 PM   #151 
  - Not to worry - Obama says debt deal must include revenues 7/25/11  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-31-11 07:54 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, "Don't call my bluff" LOL nt  eilen   Aug-01-11 09:02 AM   #108 
  - So he should veto this bill?!  AllTooEasy   Aug-01-11 04:40 PM   #166 
  - Here is the problem  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-31-11 07:55 PM   #8 
  - Yes, it is way beyond compromise. I was using their words. This is capitulation.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 07:57 PM   #11 
     - YEP... capitulation has a good ring to it.  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-31-11 07:58 PM   #13 
     - At best it's capitulation  dflprincess   Jul-31-11 09:53 PM   #69 
        - Collaboration is a much more accurate term for what is going on!  Little Star   Aug-01-11 09:17 AM   #111 
        - Much harsher word, but it does seem to apply.  Altoid_Cyclist   Aug-01-11 04:24 PM   #160 
  - Dear Bill Clinton: you are no longer the best republican president of modern times  tularetom   Jul-31-11 07:55 PM   #9 
  - +1000!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-31-11 09:43 PM   #66 
  - Still is  ProSense   Aug-01-11 01:20 AM   #96 
     - DOMA? Counting your chickens? nt  eilen   Aug-01-11 09:03 AM   #109 
  - If this was a compromise, what did we get?  lob1   Jul-31-11 07:56 PM   #10 
  - It seems that Obama is more interested in getting a deal made  Angry Dragon   Jul-31-11 07:57 PM   #12 
  - watch -- it'll be labeled *historic* and put on the BIG LIST of accomplishments  Donnachaidh   Jul-31-11 07:59 PM   #15 
     - That's the big list of bullshit.  MessiahRp   Aug-01-11 10:29 AM   #115 
        - +1000...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-01-11 03:22 PM   #146 
  - At least Clinton said "I feel your pain" nt  Raine   Jul-31-11 07:58 PM   #14 
  - ...  pacalo   Jul-31-11 08:05 PM   #21 
  - He sounded like he was exhausted to me.  GoCubsGo   Jul-31-11 07:59 PM   #16 
  - Well, so am I. This senior is worn out from all the political games...  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:05 PM   #22 
  - Especially when the Repubs are so smart at political gamesmanship..  nenagh   Jul-31-11 08:12 PM   #26 
  - Who the hell isn't worn out?  GoCubsGo   Jul-31-11 08:35 PM   #32 
  - ... all that golf with Boehner would tire me out too.  Myrina   Aug-01-11 07:56 AM   #106 
  - So are a lot of Americans who can't sleep at night because they  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 09:49 PM   #202 
  - madfloridian, he looked so sleep deprived..  nenagh   Jul-31-11 08:00 PM   #17 
  - He seemed to be tired.  Dawson Leery   Jul-31-11 08:01 PM   #18 
  - Well, so are many seniors including me. Livelihoods are at stake.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:06 PM   #24 
     - it`s all going down in wisconsin in the next few months  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:39 PM   #35 
     - god bless wisconsin.  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:55 PM   #154 
     - I alreadsy work two labor jobs to supplement my pension. what the  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:54 PM   #152 
  - A leader that uses the word 'compromise', May as well ask 'what should we do'? Lead would ya.  bahrbearian   Jul-31-11 08:02 PM   #19 
  - no shit...maybe he was`t ready for the big show.  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:08 PM   #25 
  - Merry Christmas!  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:03 PM   #20 
  - It is truly horrifying.  MoonRiver   Jul-31-11 08:06 PM   #23 
  - Didn't see it. Usually he can "glamour*" his audience with ease  Lorien   Jul-31-11 08:18 PM   #27 
  - Thank you Dr. Frist  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-31-11 08:19 PM   #28 
  - Yes, I am known here for my "absurdity".  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:37 PM   #33 
  - No, you're known for your passionate committment  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-31-11 08:53 PM   #48 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Aug-01-11 12:41 PM   #130 
  - jesus christ. shark + jetpack + melodrama. he wants us all to die.  dionysus   Jul-31-11 08:25 PM   #29 
  - You need a more appropriate style and argument.  Bluenorthwest   Aug-01-11 11:10 AM   #122 
  - Regardless of topic, Obama has always struck me as cold. And if he's tired, perhaps he should not  WinkyDink   Jul-31-11 08:25 PM   #30 
  - aloof?  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:40 PM   #37 
     - No offense, but I know the nuances, and "cold" is what I meant!  WinkyDink   Jul-31-11 08:51 PM   #45 
        - no offense taken and i forgot about that remark.  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 09:20 PM   # 
        - you use the fucking NY Post to slam Obama? have you any shame?  dionysus   Jul-31-11 09:21 PM   #61 
        - You ARE joking, right? It's one of many sources for the QUOTE. Google to get your preferred one.  WinkyDink   Jul-31-11 09:28 PM   #63 
        - dionysus, are you happy with this "compromise"?  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 10:02 PM   #205 
        - He has just loosened the plug.  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 09:59 PM   #204 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-31-11 08:41 PM   #38 
  - he`s not bat shit crazy like bachman....  madrchsod   Jul-31-11 08:47 PM   #42 
  - Yeah, she's got an excuse.  immoderate   Jul-31-11 09:46 PM   #67 
  - that makes it worse. He has reasoned himself into indifference.  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:57 PM   #155 
  - I'm not so sure at this point.  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 10:06 PM   #206 
  - !  dionysus   Jul-31-11 09:20 PM   #60 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-31-11 08:44 PM   #40 
  - And I am sick of these negative, bashing posts. It is what it is.  Pisces   Jul-31-11 08:47 PM   #43 
  - And I am sick of the lies about Soc. Sec. adding to the debt.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 08:51 PM   #46 
  - It has added to the debt  Zanzoobar   Jul-31-11 09:36 PM   #65 
  - Wow. Convincing.  senseandsensibility   Jul-31-11 08:53 PM   #49 
  - Duh  Bluebear   Aug-01-11 01:17 AM   #94 
  - So "negative posts" are the worst thing that's happened in the  _ed_   Aug-01-11 09:50 AM   #113 
  - Ah, this defense only need that most inane of modern phrases:  kiva   Aug-01-11 04:36 PM   #164 
  - I am sick of people who defend this administration....  Wind Dancer   Aug-01-11 05:27 PM   #176 
  - So use Hide Thread.  Ignis   Aug-01-11 05:49 PM   #179 
  - I know, when he said "sorry, social security is DEAD", I was shocked.  JoePhilly   Jul-31-11 08:50 PM   #44 
  - the only thing the dems got was a debt ceiling raise....all the  Gin   Jul-31-11 08:58 PM   #53 
     - Sure, and what exactly did the GOP get?  JoePhilly   Jul-31-11 09:05 PM   #55 
        - Did you not listen? He is putting them back on the table this fall.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 09:06 PM   #56 
        - Potentially triggered Medicare cuts.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-31-11 09:09 PM   #57 
           - On providers!!! Wake up people. Beneficiaries get the same amount.  AllTooEasy   Aug-01-11 07:02 PM   #192 
              - AllTooEasy  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 10:12 PM   #207 
                 - JDPriestly  AllTooEasy   Aug-02-11 01:50 PM   #209 
                    - I'm not aware of scammers although I hear a lot about Medicare scams.  JDPriestly   Aug-02-11 02:33 PM   #215 
  - Actually, all entitlement benefits and many programs for the needy are specifically exempt in both  BzaDem   Jul-31-11 08:54 PM   #51 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-31-11 08:57 PM   #52 
  - KandR  Dystopian   Jul-31-11 09:02 PM   #54 
  - He sounded tired.  madamesilverspurs   Jul-31-11 09:17 PM   #58 
  - Why? He got his, and he's set for the rest of his life.  zalinda   Jul-31-11 10:20 PM   #71 
  - The OP started this thread with the pronoun "he"...Are we supposed to simply assume she meant Obama?  whathehell   Jul-31-11 10:39 PM   #81 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Jul-31-11 09:25 PM   #62 
  - You should have voted in 2010. That's your fault and the fault of all of those  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jul-31-11 09:47 PM   #68 
  - We not only voted for him, we donated and campaigned for him.  madfloridian   Jul-31-11 10:20 PM   #72 
  - I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about the midterms.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-01-11 10:59 AM   #118 
     - I did get out and vote in 2010. Why would you assume I did not?  madfloridian   Aug-01-11 11:15 AM   #123 
        - Maybe he works for Santa and is keeping an eye  Autumn   Aug-01-11 11:43 AM   #125 
        - ...  Lost-in-FL   Aug-01-11 04:53 PM   #167 
        - !  Ignis   Aug-01-11 05:49 PM   #180 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-11 12:39 PM   #128 
  - I voted for every Democrat on the ticket. See how much good it did.  Jakes Progress   Jul-31-11 10:25 PM   #74 
  - Who said she didn't vote? Weird.  Bluebear   Aug-01-11 12:58 AM   #89 
  - Post #118  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-01-11 11:00 AM   #119 
  - Seems to me I did and more.  TheKentuckian   Aug-01-11 01:15 AM   #93 
  - Post #118  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-01-11 11:00 AM   #120 
  - Progressives voted. Young people and African-Americans did not turn out as they did in 2008.  JDPriestly   Aug-01-11 10:17 PM   #208 
  - Because we don't matter to him.  RagAss   Jul-31-11 09:54 PM   #70 
  - A kick  Blecht   Jul-31-11 10:22 PM   #73 
  - I noticed that, too. it freaked me out because it reminded me of somebody I know  Odin2005   Jul-31-11 10:28 PM   #75 
  - bullshit subjective crap  Whisp   Jul-31-11 10:29 PM   #76 
  - + a zillion.  Maru Kitteh   Aug-01-11 09:55 AM   #114 
  - yeah... maybe you can talk to all the seniors out there  fascisthunter   Aug-01-11 04:26 PM   #163 
  - Again, could you be CLEAR about your subject?....Who is "He"?  whathehell   Jul-31-11 10:37 PM   #80 
  - This is the creepiest, strangest, most non-sensical post I've read today  Number23   Aug-01-11 12:47 AM   #85 
  - That's probably the oddest thing anyone has said to me.  madfloridian   Aug-01-11 12:53 AM   #86 
  - No disrespect, I just have no idea what you're talking about  Number23   Aug-01-11 12:56 AM   #88 
  - Same here. It's embarrassingly weird. Nt.  DevonRex   Aug-01-11 12:56 AM   #87 
  - Next meme:  ProSense   Aug-01-11 01:13 AM   #92 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-01-11 10:32 AM   #116 
  - we've heard enough of your memes  fascisthunter   Aug-01-11 06:41 PM   #185 
  - K&R n/t  Shining Jack   Aug-01-11 01:20 AM   #95 
  - Nothing weird at all about this post  Oilwellian   Aug-01-11 01:20 AM   #97 
  - Indeed  Hawkowl   Aug-01-11 11:33 AM   #124 
  - Corporate suit.  Rex   Aug-01-11 01:29 AM   #99 
  - He wishes he could have "reformed" entitlements NOW! Not later!  Bluebear   Aug-01-11 01:41 AM   #101 
  - But give him four more years and he'll have them whipped into shape  kenny blankenship   Aug-01-11 09:13 AM   #110 
  - Warm, cold... what's the difference?  JoseGaspar   Aug-01-11 02:07 AM   #104 
  - big difference  SlavesandBulldozers   Aug-01-11 08:07 AM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-11 11:09 AM   #121 
  - I think Obama should  femrap   Aug-01-11 12:15 PM   #126 
  - The backs of elders??? Specifically how?  AllTooEasy   Aug-01-11 06:56 PM   #190 
     - What  femrap   Aug-01-11 08:00 PM   #199 
     - I live on a planet where...  AllTooEasy   Aug-02-11 01:57 PM   #212 
        - I don't think anyone here responds well to threats like yours.  madfloridian   Aug-02-11 02:28 PM   #214 
        - Maybe this entire  femrap   Aug-02-11 02:47 PM   #216 
     - They are already cutting them.  madfloridian   Aug-02-11 01:52 PM   #210 
        - Like what?  AllTooEasy   Aug-02-11 01:54 PM   #211 
  - Most of the tea party are seniors.  deaniac21   Aug-01-11 12:41 PM   #129 
  - So now, it's not even what he actually says...  SidDithers   Aug-01-11 12:47 PM   #131 
  - The only thing we have to fear is the Republican party.  Octafish   Aug-01-11 01:11 PM   #132 
  - Do not forget that WE have to fight for what is right. WE have to get out and DO IT.  Fire Walk With Me   Aug-01-11 01:29 PM   #137 
  - i thought he sounded pissed and disgusted.  spanone   Aug-01-11 01:30 PM   #138 
  - Oh, come on. People ALWAYS sound like that when  Heidi   Aug-01-11 01:33 PM   #140 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Aug-01-11 02:57 PM   #142 
  - Thank you for this  tgal   Aug-01-11 03:03 PM   #143 
  - Every one of the 'Cat Food Dozen' will be free from want til their dying day. They will  grahamhgreen   Aug-01-11 03:05 PM   #144 
  - my friend thinks he should resign  DesertFlower   Aug-01-11 03:10 PM   #145 
  - Today was the 1st day of my retirement. I'm 68-1/2  life long demo   Aug-01-11 03:36 PM   #147 
  - us, honey. we need to shut this fricking country down.  roguevalley   Aug-01-11 03:59 PM   #156 
  - Breaking: Geico said to hire former President Obama in Jan 2013  Riverman   Aug-01-11 03:41 PM   #148 
  - Underneath that cucumber cool exterior is a man whom  Cleita   Aug-01-11 04:05 PM   #157 
  - when i see guys like him walking down the street i make sure to cross to the other side  JI7   Aug-01-11 04:25 PM   #162 
  - What exactly do you mean by...  Fruittree   Aug-01-11 08:00 PM   #198 
  - I unreced this for not naming names. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-01-11 05:07 PM   #168 
  - P R I MA R Y  rasputinkhlyst   Aug-01-11 05:12 PM   #171 
  - +1,000,000,000,000  L0oniX   Aug-01-11 05:50 PM   #181 
  - Agreed  MissDeeds   Aug-01-11 06:42 PM   #186 
  - cold is the word  tartan2   Aug-01-11 05:16 PM   #172 
  - This is just a theory (maybe it's bullshit)  bluestateguy   Aug-01-11 05:27 PM   #175 
  - He's sounded very different since he is President...from his Campaign ...warm hearted "Man of the  KoKo   Aug-01-11 05:35 PM   #177 
  - On the Plus Side: We're free of illusions....  radhika   Aug-01-11 05:46 PM   #178 
  - Obama's Bait And Switch  colsohlibgal   Aug-01-11 06:53 PM   #189 
  - Ronnie Raygun is his idol.  sarcasmo   Aug-01-11 06:57 PM   #191 
  - The only fiery speeches  Old Codger   Aug-01-11 07:06 PM   #193 
  - He has lost my vote.  avebury   Aug-01-11 07:12 PM   #194 
  - The blood of the innocent is on his hands.  tcaudilllg   Aug-01-11 07:46 PM   #195 
  - Explains why  Phlem   Aug-01-11 07:49 PM   #196 
  - Draft Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of HHS (see link)  Maineman   Aug-01-11 07:51 PM   #197 
  - what would reagan do?  meow mix   Aug-02-11 02:26 PM   #213 
 

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