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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:08 PM
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37. The loss of the soldiers might not have been the reason, but it was certainly the excuse
There's a reason the Pentagon and State Department have the notion of the Mogadishu Line. Attempts to intervene in the Rwandan genocide were vetoed because of that, for instance.

Of course, by and large the types of people hostile to doing something about either of those situations are downright enthusiastic about making as much Iraqi or Afghan rubble bounce as they can.
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  -Somalia Is Dying. Does Anyone Care? sabrina 1  Jul-30-11 04:36 PM   #0 
  - Caring enough to unrec really makes you wonder about  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 04:53 PM   #1 
  - No, by and large nobody cares.  naaman fletcher   Jul-30-11 04:57 PM   #3 
  - Now that is what I call a good idea. And after we get done with Somalia  jwirr   Jul-30-11 05:38 PM   #20 
  - I think ordinary people care. But we are not running things.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 06:04 PM   #35 
  - Re-posting of something that got lost down wind of here.  Maraya1969   Jul-31-11 04:34 AM   #95 
     - I'm sorry, I just saw your post right now, and I do not know  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 07:22 PM   #141 
     - I did look up the Canadian Red Cross and it seems they are  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 08:44 PM   #167 
  - Americans don't even pay attention that the GOP wants to rid the USDA  DontTreadOnMe   Jul-30-11 04:53 PM   #2 
  - +100000!  Fearless   Jul-30-11 06:33 PM   #47 
  - They need a little pretty white poster girl.  Shandris   Jul-30-11 04:57 PM   #4 
  - Anything that works  Patiod   Jul-31-11 08:47 AM   #111 
     - I agree ~ n/t  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 02:03 PM   #127 
  - I gave.  gulliver   Jul-30-11 05:00 PM   #5 
  - Thank you, good to know they are trustworthy.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 08:42 PM   #58 
  - Mercy Corps  lapislzi   Jul-31-11 08:39 AM   #108 
  - Why should it just be America caring?  The Straight Story   Jul-30-11 05:00 PM   #6 
  - I agree. Where are they?  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 05:24 PM   #16 
  - The Canadian government is doing more.  laundry_queen   Jul-30-11 10:50 PM   #73 
  - Thank you for that information. I agree that people are more  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 12:30 AM   #86 
  - Part of this is the result of colonialism  swilton   Jul-31-11 08:17 AM   #104 
  - UK individuals have given 37m; UK govt pledged 52 million 2 weeks ago  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-31-11 09:57 AM   #118 
  - Good news, I hope it helps and that they can get the aid to the  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 01:34 AM   #150 
  - I don't think the one denies the other...  LanternWaste   Aug-03-11 12:08 PM   #169 
  - Amnesty International blog:  EFerrari   Jul-30-11 05:01 PM   #7 
  - You are Mistaking Despair for Apathy  AndyTiedye   Jul-30-11 05:07 PM   #8 
  - No, we shouldn't take away "Granny's Medicare" - but we could tax the rich  TBF   Jul-30-11 05:09 PM   #10 
  - And We're Going to Get That Through the Teabagger House How?  AndyTiedye   Jul-30-11 05:13 PM   #11 
  - We're not going to do it without massive protests, I can tell you that -  TBF   Jul-30-11 09:52 PM   #62 
     - Even That Won't Happen Until Next Year, and the Accompanying Tax Hike on Everybody Else Will Cost Us  AndyTiedye   Jul-30-11 10:22 PM   #68 
        - Massive Protests can happen NOW, not next year (and they need to) nt  TBF   Jul-30-11 10:24 PM   #69 
           - Do You Really Think Any Amount of Protesting Will Change A Single Teabagger Vote in Congress?  AndyTiedye   Jul-30-11 10:27 PM   #70 
              - Enough people in the streets puts pressure on the very wealthy, and  TBF   Jul-31-11 09:28 AM   #116 
  - No duh!  chervilant   Jul-30-11 11:05 PM   #75 
  - Yes, the American people are caring and always wiling to help  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 05:18 PM   #15 
  - Oh. Didn't you know? Our world's main problem is too many people.  Octafish   Jul-30-11 05:09 PM   #9 
  - Wow, that is a very disturbing article. Pure evil, if true.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 05:35 PM   #18 
  - Why do you think we created Africa-Com?  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-30-11 05:48 PM   #26 
  - I have no doubt that they would, will do it to us here.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 07:49 PM   #52 
  - Indeed he is.  hifiguy   Jul-30-11 05:49 PM   #27 
  - And yet, here, he is treated like some kind of wise old man.  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 03:04 AM   #89 
  - But (see reply #98) it wasn't true  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-31-11 10:24 AM   #121 
     - Thank you, I will read the rest  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 02:07 PM   #128 
        - Kissinger is probably a war criminal, and one of the most amoral public figures in recent decades  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-31-11 02:53 PM   #133 
  - The absolute WRONG way to go about population control. Education and empowering  Lorien   Jul-30-11 06:39 PM   #49 
  - From what I have read, including  tomg   Jul-31-11 07:34 AM   #98 
     - Thanks for the heads-up. He was discussed on DU at the time...  Octafish   Aug-01-11 08:35 PM   #166 
  - Oh man, that number is staggering.  Rex   Jul-30-11 05:16 PM   #12 
  - I do.  Forkboy   Jul-30-11 05:17 PM   #13 
  - k & r  girl gone mad   Jul-30-11 05:17 PM   #14 
  - care and hopeless. obviously we dont care enough for our own. nt  seabeyond   Jul-30-11 05:31 PM   #17 
  - It isn't just Somalia. The whole Horn of Africa is facing disaster. What  jwirr   Jul-30-11 05:36 PM   #19 
  - that's what I do also  dana_b   Jul-30-11 05:45 PM   #23 
  - This is an each one reach one situation.  jwirr   Jul-30-11 05:59 PM   #32 
  - I have often wondered about those programs, and I do agree  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 12:07 AM   #81 
  - ABC's correspondent David Muir spotlighted this on evenining news...  Flubadubya   Jul-30-11 05:40 PM   #21 
  - Thank you, I did not see that and am glad it is at least getting  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 05:47 PM   #25 
     - PBS Newshour interview with Josette Sheeran (UN World Food Program):  WorseBeforeBetter   Jul-30-11 08:12 PM   #55 
        - Thank you, I will watch that when I get later.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 08:33 PM   #56 
  - somalia doesn't have government anymore  undercutter799   Jul-30-11 05:41 PM   #22 
  - Heh, reminds me of a discussion I had with a couple of libertarians  Posteritatis   Jul-30-11 06:13 PM   #38 
     - Somalia was *the* in thing for "anarcho"-capitalists in the early 2000s.  joshcryer   Jul-30-11 10:42 PM   #72 
        - Yeah, this was 2009 or something similarly embarrassingly recent  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 12:12 AM   #83 
           - I truly believe that it worked exactly as the "anarcho"-capitalists could best hope for.  joshcryer   Jul-31-11 03:19 AM   #91 
              - "The unfettered "free market" is nothing more than rule by warlord and king."  I Have A Dream   Jul-31-11 12:23 PM   #126 
  - We tried the Somalia thing...  Imajika   Jul-30-11 05:45 PM   #24 
  - Dragging the American  Aerows   Jul-30-11 05:55 PM   #29 
  - We are willing to keep losing soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 05:56 PM   #30 
  - The loss of the soldiers might not have been the reason, but it was certainly the excuse  Posteritatis   Jul-30-11 06:08 PM   #37 
  - I am not sure what you mean by the 'notion of the Mogadishu Line'?  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 10:10 PM   #66 
     - A line of possible casualties above which the US will not generally intervene somewhere  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 12:10 AM   #82 
        - Okay, thanks for the explanation.  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 01:13 AM   #88 
  - Oh hogwash...  Imajika   Jul-30-11 06:23 PM   #42 
     - If the US had wanted to stay in Somalia, we would have  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 07:59 PM   #54 
     - The problem with Somalia is it was sold as a humanitarian operation only...  Imajika   Jul-30-11 09:10 PM   #60 
     - US unmanned army to fight in Somalia this time.  sad sally   Jul-30-11 10:19 PM   #67 
        - Six wars! Drones not Food!  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 10:33 PM   #71 
           - You're right, I fear it is too late. The US motto has become War At Any Cost  sad sally   Jul-30-11 11:05 PM   #76 
              - Torture and killings made acceptable?  azul   Jul-31-11 12:33 AM   #87 
              - It's amazing, and frightening, what we have come to accept  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 03:31 AM   #93 
     - Except that we ARE in Somalia, goddamnit. We have troops stationed there right now  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-01-11 01:45 AM   #151 
  - The warlords aren't the problem now  cpwm17   Jul-30-11 06:13 PM   #40 
  - 'President Obama is supporting the same Muslims that President  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 06:25 PM   #44 
  - So instead of Warlords we have radical Muslims in charge...  Imajika   Jul-30-11 06:26 PM   #45 
  - Ha ha ha.  Bonobo   Jul-30-11 07:52 PM   #53 
  - The people that are crying for interventions ignore that islamic radicals have  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:08 AM   #103 
     - I think you may be right  malletgirl02   Jul-31-11 12:06 PM   #125 
  - and before it, Biafra & Ethiopia & Bangladesh, and Somalia again  SoCalDem   Jul-30-11 05:54 PM   #28 
  - A huge part of the problem in Somalia  Aerows   Jul-30-11 05:58 PM   #31 
     - and the largest, 'force' is Shahbab (a group of Al Quaeda wannabes)  JCMach1   Jul-30-11 09:59 PM   #65 
  - do they even want us there  DonCoquixote   Jul-30-11 06:01 PM   #33 
  - That's what I was referring to in my previous post  Aerows   Jul-30-11 06:04 PM   #36 
  - i'm sure the people who need help want us there, but there are bad people everywhere  JI7   Jul-31-11 03:29 AM   #92 
  - Not sure what America can do right now  Marrah_G   Jul-30-11 06:04 PM   #34 
  - George Bush intervened in Somalia and destabilized the country  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 06:18 PM   #41 
     - Somalia was not stabilizing under an Islamic govt. when US went in.  tabasco   Jul-30-11 08:39 PM   #57 
     - President George W Bush encouraged and supported  cpwm17   Jul-31-11 12:17 AM   #84 
        - I'm talking about 1992, when the US sent troops into Somalia.  tabasco   Jul-31-11 07:39 AM   #99 
           - You were responding to Sabrina 1  cpwm17   Jul-31-11 08:47 AM   #110 
              - I pretty much agree.  tabasco   Jul-31-11 10:24 AM   #120 
     - How much of the donated money will be siphoned away by radicals and warlords?  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:26 AM   #106 
  - I care and it is tragic.  tnlefty   Jul-30-11 06:13 PM   #39 
  - Somalia has been dying for a few decades at least  saras   Jul-30-11 06:24 PM   #43 
  - 'That's what we get for letting them rule'.  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 07:15 PM   #50 
  - K & R  Raksha   Jul-30-11 06:29 PM   #46 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-30-11 06:36 PM   #48 
  - I'm sending my Democratic National Party money where it will do some good.  Jakes Progress   Jul-30-11 07:24 PM   #51 
  - Their black so people don't give a damn.  Odin2005   Jul-30-11 08:50 PM   #59 
  - Japan received way more media attention. Africa not so much.  Glimmer of Hope   Jul-30-11 09:15 PM   #61 
  - Some wealthy neighboring oil rich countries need to open their wallets this Ramadan  JCMach1   Jul-30-11 09:57 PM   #63 
  - It has begun  jimlup   Jul-30-11 09:57 PM   #64 
  - Because Somalia has been in this kind of crisis for 20 years!  riderinthestorm   Jul-30-11 11:03 PM   #74 
  - The type of changes that are needed in Somalia are the very changes that  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:38 AM   #107 
     - Not sure what you mean, it is the right wing that opposes hum. intervention. Also, the oft-mentioned  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-01-11 01:52 AM   #152 
  - Yup. We turned off the cable TV and sent the money to Oxfam.  kickysnana   Jul-30-11 11:31 PM   #77 
  - Yes people care. But the human brain can get overwhelmed too.  azul   Jul-30-11 11:32 PM   #78 
  - Interesting. It does explain how when you read about  sabrina 1   Jul-30-11 11:58 PM   #80 
  - Like the picture of the napalmed Vietnamese girl in the news back then,  azul   Jul-31-11 12:22 AM   #85 
     - I would find that interesting also. I'm sure many others would  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 03:17 AM   #90 
  - True. The problem seems so big and impossible to remedy, so we try to ignore it.  dorkulon   Jul-31-11 02:47 PM   #132 
  - True, but a few people in this thread made some suggestions that I  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 07:03 PM   #137 
  - Get back to me on Black Friday, Nov. 25th, when...  bicentennial_baby   Aug-01-11 03:19 AM   #155 
  - hey, let's face it - unless it's a country that has OUR oil under THEIR sand, the US govt really  kath   Jul-30-11 11:45 PM   #79 
  - Your analysis is myopic and ignores history.  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:46 AM   #109 
  - I just FB'd the Canadian red cross because they said they would match  Maraya1969   Jul-31-11 04:28 AM   #94 
  - Of Course We Care  Mosaic   Jul-31-11 06:15 AM   #96 
  - Climate change  n2doc   Jul-31-11 06:46 AM   #97 
  - I believe you are right. :^( And we won't see a lot of assistance in this  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-31-11 07:19 PM   #140 
  - K&R There are so many good people in this world. It is hard to read to what level  midnight   Jul-31-11 07:47 AM   #100 
  - It is a shame that this happens, but happen it does. Even here in the  Obamanaut   Jul-31-11 07:59 AM   #101 
  - Great analysis. American people have a lot to work through now.  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:56 AM   #112 
  - Carrying Capacity of an Ecosystem  perdita9   Jul-31-11 08:04 AM   #102 
  - Birth control, elimination of warlords and radicals, irrigation and road  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 08:59 AM   #113 
  - I, for one, would never reject help to them just because some people say Somalia has Al-Qaeda...  joshcryer   Jul-31-11 08:20 AM   #105 
  - Your post ignores that islamic radicals have threatened aid worker's safety.  bluestate10   Jul-31-11 09:08 AM   #114 
     - What you do is you go in via Somaliland, creating a virtual border for all whom are affected.  joshcryer   Jul-31-11 09:14 AM   #115 
        - At this point I really, really wish people would just start recognizing Somaliland already  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 11:27 AM   #122 
           - I think Cloony needs to focus on Somalia like he did Sudan which resulted in South Sudan.  joshcryer   Jul-31-11 10:45 PM   #147 
  - Libertarian policies, promoted by this president, are turning us into one giant Somalia.  grahamhgreen   Jul-31-11 09:43 AM   #117 
  - No they don't I posted videos this week and no one bothered to view them.  ej510   Jul-31-11 10:03 AM   #119 
  - Of course I care!  lonestarnot   Jul-31-11 11:28 AM   #123 
  - This makes everything we do with our military seem pointless.  gtar100   Jul-31-11 11:30 AM   #124 
  - K & R  northamericancitizen   Jul-31-11 02:11 PM   #129 
  - Yes.  Iggo   Jul-31-11 02:14 PM   #130 
  - exactly...  awoke_in_2003   Jul-31-11 02:21 PM   #131 
  - Is there a way to feel self-righteous about it by just typing something on a message board?  harmonicon   Jul-31-11 03:56 PM   #134 
  - (insert indignant response)  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 05:54 PM   #136 
  - So you don't think these disasters should be reported on then?  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 07:25 PM   #142 
     - Do not fabricate statements and attribute them to me. It's childish and insulting. (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 09:18 PM   #143 
        - Interesting response.  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 09:43 PM   #144 
           - You did not ask a question. You fabricated a statement and responded to that instead. (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-31-11 09:56 PM   #145 
           - You endorsed an insult aimed at every person in this thread  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 12:21 AM   #149 
           - I insulted you now?  harmonicon   Aug-01-11 03:23 AM   #156 
              - Sorry then, if I misunderstood you.  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 03:43 PM   #163 
                 - I'm just jaded.  harmonicon   Aug-01-11 08:16 PM   #164 
                    - We are all tired and overwhelmed by the destruction  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 08:33 PM   #165 
  - It all depends on motivation for 'typing something' on a message  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 07:13 PM   #138 
  - I imagine we often feel quite self-righteous ourselves  LanternWaste   Aug-03-11 12:13 PM   #170 
  - We just gave twenty bucks to mercycorp for famine relief-thank you for reminding me to do it NOW  Snoutport   Jul-31-11 04:06 PM   #135 
  - Thank you, Snoutport, someone in the thread above said that is  sabrina 1   Jul-31-11 07:16 PM   #139 
  - Aid doesn't help much if it doesn't get where it is needed.  alarimer   Jul-31-11 10:43 PM   #146 
  - Help is on the way!  OldEurope   Aug-01-11 12:21 AM   #148 
  - Yes, the problems do seem intractable. We can only do what we  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 02:22 PM   #161 
  - If millions of white people died of starvation, what would happen? How would folks respond  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-01-11 02:05 AM   #153 
  - Or, maybe they were trying to protect the Nuclear Power Industry?  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 03:41 PM   #162 
  - Hi Sabrina.  Turborama   Aug-01-11 02:27 AM   #154 
  - Hi Turboram, no I had not seen that.  sabrina 1   Aug-01-11 02:17 PM   #160 
     - Hiya  Turborama   Aug-03-11 11:52 AM   #168 
  - I care, but not enough to involve our taxes.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-01-11 08:35 AM   #157 
  - What was the food and drought situation in Somalia 10 years ago?  Shagbark Hickory   Aug-01-11 08:51 AM   #158 
  - No. Nobody that counts that is.  AngryAmish   Aug-01-11 08:55 AM   #159 

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