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206. Proof, or are you just making shit up?
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  -A "Public Option" Would Not Be Overthrown in the Courts Like Obama's Mandated Healthcare Has Been. David Zephyr  Dec-13-10 12:16 PM   #0 
  - I was thinking the exact same thing.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 12:17 PM   #1 
  - i agree  tracy_winzer01   Dec-13-10 12:38 PM   #19 
  - i agree  tracy_winzer01   Dec-13-10 12:38 PM   #20 
  - But it wouldn't prevail in Congress  Still a Democrat   Dec-13-10 12:59 PM   #35 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-10 01:06 PM   #40 
  - That's one decision  Still a Democrat   Dec-13-10 01:15 PM   #42 
  - I never thought that the HCR bill that passed was legal. Mandated health care.  molly77   Dec-13-10 06:32 PM   #89 
  - With over 70% of the citizenry for it?  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 04:20 AM   #176 
  - Yes, we should just give up.  Enthusiast   Dec-14-10 06:45 AM   #192 
  - The Bill prevailed, this is just one portion of it and both sides agree  harun   Dec-13-10 01:01 PM   #36 
  - There would not have been a viable challenge to it.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 02:07 PM   #56 
  - Let It Go--Work for Single Payer, or Medicare for All  Demeter   Dec-13-10 12:20 PM   #2 
  - Very goodpoint abt working for Singel Payer Universal HC. Thank you. n/t  truedelphi   Dec-14-10 01:36 AM   #167 
  - That sounds great  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 04:28 AM   #177 
  - a blessing in disguise?  BREMPRO   Dec-14-10 12:11 PM   #221 
  - So does this mean we don't have  abelenkpe   Dec-13-10 12:21 PM   #3 
  - Already a discredited analogy.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 12:23 PM   #5 
  - +1  RufusTFirefly   Dec-13-10 12:28 PM   #9 
  - And you don't purchase health care, one way or another?  caseymoz   Dec-13-10 11:16 PM   #151 
  - It does contradict the Constitution.  shimmergal   Dec-13-10 11:38 PM   #156 
     - Purchases are not involuntary servitude!  caseymoz   Dec-13-10 11:52 PM   #158 
     - If there is no other option  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 05:23 AM   #182 
     - Sounds like? With some (a lot of) poetic license, maybe.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 11:19 AM   #217 
     - So having government force you to buy beanie babies would be constitutional?  no limit   Dec-14-10 12:22 PM   #223 
     - How does the most ridiculous example say anything about reality?  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 02:59 PM   #225 
        - If what you said is true the most ridiculous example that I provided must also be true  no limit   Dec-14-10 03:48 PM   #226 
           - Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 05:10 PM   #227 
           - Yes, Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution  no limit   Dec-14-10 05:31 PM   #229 
              - So, if they take you money and give you nothing directly? That's allowed.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 06:31 PM   #231 
           - An analogy of your argument.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 05:19 PM   #228 
     - Taxes as legalized in this nation are akin to muggings.  truedelphi   Dec-14-10 06:12 PM   #230 
        - How revenues are expended is a different topic.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 06:55 PM   #232 
        - Money taken by the average tax payer and transferrred over to the Ultra Rich -  truedelphi   Dec-14-10 07:12 PM   #233 
        - Okay, hyperbole-to-earth time, you're not walking away physically injured.  caseymoz   Dec-14-10 07:36 PM   #234 
           - I beg your pardon, but I disagree.  truedelphi   Dec-15-10 06:31 PM   #238 
              - Well, I've been 4% above the poverty level  caseymoz   Dec-16-10 08:01 AM   #242 
        - We used to have a federal system that benefited more people  mmonk   Dec-15-10 06:50 PM   #239 
        - You're correct. We're being gamed right now. Things that benefit  mmonk   Dec-15-10 07:03 PM   #240 
           - Thanks kindly, mmonk. Like Woodie Guthrie used to sing:  truedelphi   Dec-16-10 02:04 AM   #241 
     - If you buy the insurance you pay lower taxes. That is what is being  JDPriestly   Dec-14-10 12:17 AM   #162 
  - Thanks  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 04:44 AM   #180 
  - God damned problem is that, in the warped reality of corporate Amerika, health care IS COMMERCE too.  T Wolf   Dec-14-10 08:47 AM   #205 
     - +1 (nt)  harmonicon   Dec-14-10 10:49 AM   #215 
  - The insurance you're required by law to have is liability  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 12:27 PM   #8 
  - You're not pro choice?!?!  Milo_Bloom   Dec-13-10 12:29 PM   #12 
  - Not after birth!  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 12:35 PM   #15 
     - That my friend, is the most profound time to be pro-choice...nt  pokercat999   Dec-13-10 09:48 PM   #134 
  - With the shredding of the safety net, many of us won't *have* the choice to be alive.  bobbolink   Dec-13-10 12:43 PM   #25 
  - But if you don't buy health insurance  abelenkpe   Dec-13-10 01:52 PM   #55 
     - When Medically Indigent Adults get hospital care, either the County picks up the tab,  Bette Noir   Dec-13-10 05:51 PM   #71 
     - You're kidding, right?  tpsbmam   Dec-13-10 11:18 PM   #152 
        - "you gonna die" Exactly!  Enthusiast   Dec-14-10 07:03 AM   #194 
  - You don't have to buy car insurance.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-13-10 12:28 PM   #10 
  - Not all states allow for an escrow in lieu of car insurance.  fasttense   Dec-14-10 03:37 AM   #174 
  - You don't have to buy car insurance but the State can tell you....  Bonhomme Richard   Dec-13-10 12:34 PM   #14 
  - I hate the car insurance analogy... because its B.S.  humbled_opinion   Dec-13-10 09:42 PM   #130 
  - good question  tracy_winzer01   Dec-13-10 12:39 PM   #21 
  - No. It's a completely illogical question.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 02:15 PM   #58 
  - No. It's not. It's an old ploy  Jakes Progress   Dec-13-10 08:56 PM   #121 
  - In many states you are not required to buy car insurance ......  oldhippie   Dec-13-10 01:25 PM   #49 
  - Just check and see how much a state bond is. n/t  DeSwiss   Dec-13-10 07:34 PM   #107 
  - You can choose not to buy a car. You cannot chose not to get sick.  AllyCat   Dec-13-10 07:59 PM   #110 
  - Lousy polituics and vulnerable law  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-13-10 12:22 PM   #4 
  - Pretty much the history of the whole sordid episode.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 08:24 PM   #115 
  - How could mandated insurance be constitutional?  dgibby   Dec-13-10 12:23 PM   #6 
  - Because if you don't get insurance I have to pay for your ER visit  Recursion   Dec-13-10 12:48 PM   #27 
  - By this reasoning, should I have to pay for your SS or Medicare?  leftstreet   Dec-13-10 12:50 PM   #29 
  - Yes, it's a lot like that  Recursion   Dec-13-10 01:04 PM   #39 
     - Private, for profit corporations are selling SS and Medicare?!  leftstreet   Dec-13-10 01:26 PM   #50 
        - Making hundreds of millions processing the claims  Recursion   Dec-13-10 02:17 PM   #60 
  - Sounds good, but that's not how the US Constitution works.  closeupready   Dec-13-10 12:57 PM   #32 
  - Yes, that is very true. But nothing to do with Constitutionality.  WinkyDink   Dec-13-10 02:16 PM   #59 
     - Well, several courts disagree  Recursion   Dec-13-10 02:18 PM   #61 
  - Car insurance  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-13-10 02:45 PM   #65 
  - Agreed!  onpatrol98   Dec-13-10 09:46 PM   #132 
  - Nope...  ProudDad   Dec-13-10 10:50 PM   #145 
  - Zeke Emmanuel had a lot to do with this, did he not?  ProfessionalLeftist   Dec-13-10 12:23 PM   #7 
  - Yes.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 04:24 PM   #67 
  - I agree. We know that this health bill was built  Cleita   Dec-13-10 12:28 PM   #11 
  - It will most likely be overthrown. Single Payer would not have.  EndElectoral   Dec-13-10 12:33 PM   #13 
  - And ya know what?  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 06:28 AM   #187 
  - Especially if it never exists! Hillary's plan never got overthrown in court either  stray cat   Dec-13-10 12:37 PM   #16 
  - I, along with most of The Left, never supported Hillary's concept.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 12:43 PM   #24 
  - What 'versus'?  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 06:30 AM   #188 
  - Hillary's 1993 plan truly sucked.  Gaedel   Dec-13-10 06:14 PM   #82 
  - What kills me is the hypocrisy. Hillary also wanted mandated coverage and Obama was against it.  Tatiana   Dec-13-10 12:37 PM   #17 
  - wow  tracy_winzer01   Dec-13-10 12:40 PM   #22 
  - John Edwards proposed making Medicare available as a public option  JDPriestly   Dec-14-10 12:21 AM   #163 
  - Completely agree.  closeupready   Dec-13-10 12:38 PM   #18 
  - This was a win-win for Big Health Insurance.  Divernan   Dec-13-10 12:46 PM   #26 
     - Oh yes  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 06:32 AM   #189 
  - "Simply appalling" is a kind description of this fiasco.  Divernan   Dec-13-10 12:42 PM   #23 
  - What Really Disturbs Me...  WiffenPoof   Dec-13-10 12:50 PM   #28 
  - Honestly, when you aim for mediocrity, complete failure is often what you get.  closeupready   Dec-13-10 12:56 PM   #31 
  - That's a great line! I'm going to steal it.  Bette Noir   Dec-13-10 05:56 PM   #76 
  - I second that. nt  snagglepuss   Dec-13-10 06:48 PM   #94 
  - Great line. That's bumper sticker material :) nt  snagglepuss   Dec-13-10 06:49 PM   #96 
  - My fee is 10%.  closeupready   Dec-14-10 09:38 AM   #209 
  - Your subject line is a great quote!  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 06:33 AM   #190 
  - Because it is. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-14-10 10:05 AM   #211 
  - Wouldn't pass Congress, either  Still a Democrat   Dec-13-10 12:51 PM   #30 
  - It DID pass in the House.  Dawgs   Dec-13-10 12:57 PM   #33 
     - Laughable  Still a Democrat   Dec-13-10 12:59 PM   #34 
        - It didn't need 60 votes. HCR was passed through reconciliation, which only needed 50 votes.  Dawgs   Dec-13-10 01:03 PM   #38 
        - My bad  Still a Democrat   Dec-13-10 01:12 PM   #41 
           - How would you know if they didn't have 50 votes?  Dawgs   Dec-13-10 01:18 PM   #44 
           - Harry Reid can count.  Ikonoklast   Dec-14-10 07:40 AM   #202 
              - Proof, or are you just making shit up?  Dawgs   Dec-14-10 09:05 AM   #206 
           - Self delete. n/t  Dawgs   Dec-13-10 01:18 PM   #45 
           - This is what I wrote in the OP.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 01:21 PM   #48 
           - What's your basis for the claim that we didn't have 50 votes?  eomer   Dec-13-10 01:51 PM   #54 
           - As I said before  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 07:17 AM   #196 
        - I agree. Laughable.  Bluebear   Dec-14-10 12:08 AM   #161 
  - unknown  treestar   Dec-13-10 01:02 PM   #37 
  - The altar of private enterprise  PurityOfEssence   Dec-13-10 01:17 PM   #43 
  - And this altar had more than a sacrifice.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 05:37 PM   #68 
  - The Health Care Debacle is a PRIME EXAMPLE of political expediency over true leadership. n/t  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-13-10 01:20 PM   #46 
  - +1  Pacifist Patriot   Dec-14-10 09:27 AM   #208 
  - it's one case.....Court Upholds Key Provisions of Health Care Bill - Thursday, 07 Oct 2010  spanone   Dec-13-10 01:21 PM   #47 
  - The funding vehicle of the bill has been ripped out.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 01:31 PM   #51 
     - how's that? what funding vehicle?  spanone   Dec-13-10 01:47 PM   #53 
     - Not one penny of a "funding vehicle" has been ripped out, and he didn't even issue an injunction.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 05:53 PM   #74 
  - i actually think the supremos will side with obama on this one.  unblock   Dec-13-10 01:35 PM   #52 
  - this is what I think too  fascisthunter   Dec-13-10 06:59 PM   #98 
  - I hate to agree, but yes, anything to promote their fascist view of the world.  grahamhgreen   Dec-13-10 07:22 PM   #104 
     - But there's no love lost between  shimmergal   Dec-13-10 11:56 PM   #159 
        - One can only hope so!  grahamhgreen   Dec-14-10 06:23 AM   #186 
  - Hey, didn't the Obama faithful promise to help us FIGHT for a Public Option  Lorien   Dec-13-10 02:10 PM   #57 
  - Yeah, but I was pretty sure all that would disappear once the bill passed. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-13-10 10:34 PM   #139 
  - Then again, a public option without dedicated revenue is an appallingly stupid idea  Recursion   Dec-13-10 02:21 PM   #62 
  - The reason you have no idea why that's true is because it isn't true.  eomer   Dec-13-10 02:40 PM   #63 
     - Nope. Funded out of a combination of general revenue and premiums  Recursion   Dec-13-10 02:43 PM   #64 
     - What I've seen most people advocating here is literally "let people buy into Medicare".  eomer   Dec-14-10 04:43 AM   #179 
     - You'd still be "mandated" to pay for Medicare, through taxes or direct premiums.  Hoyt   Dec-13-10 08:41 PM   #118 
  - You don't think a Republican judge with financial ties to party operatives would invent a reason?  izzybeans   Dec-13-10 02:48 PM   #66 
  - No mandate without the public option. That was a simple no brainer.  on point   Dec-13-10 05:37 PM   #69 
  - Absolutely correct. And this tax deal is worse, morally and for the country's future than the  20score   Dec-13-10 05:48 PM   #70 
  - I generally agree with what you're saying, but it wasn't Obama who "pissed away" the moment,  GOPBasher   Dec-13-10 05:51 PM   #72 
  - Reality dictates that Obama takes the blame. He sold out the public option long before the debate  20score   Dec-13-10 05:56 PM   #77 
  - + 1. n/t  truedelphi   Dec-13-10 06:05 PM   #79 
  - Well let's see: He could have grabbed them by the neck and  pokercat999   Dec-13-10 10:00 PM   #137 
  - The didn't need 60 - they needed 50 votes n/t  Caretha   Dec-14-10 07:16 AM   #195 
  - I hate to break it to you, but a public option absolutely cannot survive without a mandate under  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 05:52 PM   #73 
  - That May Be True, But... Will It Survive The Supreme Court ???  WillyT   Dec-13-10 05:57 PM   #78 
  - I think it will. But if it won't, a public option is dead too, since as I said, a public option  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:06 PM   #80 
  - Who informed you that?  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 06:21 PM   #84 
     - My point is that without a mandate, premiums for the public option would be thousands/month  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:30 PM   #87 
        - Simply not true.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 06:32 PM   #88 
           - Guess what? The House bill had a mandate. You can continue to deny reality all you want,  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:34 PM   #91 
  - I don't think so - Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Kennedy will kill it.  reformist2   Dec-13-10 07:23 PM   #105 
  - I don't understand why the PO wouldn't survive without a mandate. That was the original plan.  20score   Dec-13-10 06:08 PM   #81 
  - My point is that a Medicare buy-in WOULDN'T be cheaper if there were no mandate. It would be  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:14 PM   #83 
  - I understand the added cost if only sick people are insured.  20score   Dec-13-10 06:25 PM   #86 
     - But right now, there is no federal law banning price discrimination.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:32 PM   #90 
        - One sentence in a bill for the public option would fix any objection  20score   Dec-13-10 06:46 PM   #93 
        - No, it wouldn't. What's the use of a public option if premiums cost thousands per month  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 06:48 PM   #95 
           - I've already addressed that. I still reject your premise as I think it is based on a fallacy. One  20score   Dec-13-10 06:59 PM   #99 
              - I didn't create it: this "falacy" currently exists in the New York State individual market. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 07:01 PM   #100 
              - Many folks buy now because they know once they get sick, no insurer will cover them.  Hoyt   Dec-13-10 10:53 PM   #148 
        - And, yet, New York is not the most expensive premiums in the country. MA is the highest.  laughingliberal   Dec-13-10 11:35 PM   #154 
  - You are correct.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 06:22 PM   #85 
  - 1)Do you have any data to support this? 2) Taxing people is OK (public plan); tax by private  grahamhgreen   Dec-13-10 07:21 PM   #103 
  - Yes. New York State.  BzaDem   Dec-13-10 08:05 PM   #112 
  - As I recall, the number of individual policies decreased, but the number of individuals  grahamhgreen   Dec-14-10 06:22 AM   #185 
  - It is fascism.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 08:14 PM   #113 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Dec-13-10 10:38 PM   #140 
  - Public Option...funded like Medicaid and Medicare  onpatrol98   Dec-13-10 09:52 PM   #135 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-13-10 05:55 PM   #75 
  - they threw us under the bus then and are doing it again -  2Design   Dec-13-10 06:42 PM   #92 
  - It didn't make sense mandating insurance. We want health care, not ins  WillYourVoteBCounted   Dec-13-10 06:54 PM   #97 
  - Thank you David.  Starry Messenger   Dec-13-10 07:05 PM   #101 
  - Very well said.  grahamhgreen   Dec-13-10 07:18 PM   #102 
  - EXACTLY!!!  DeSwiss   Dec-13-10 07:29 PM   #106 
  - Nice rant. Only one problem with it  Gman   Dec-13-10 07:39 PM   #108 
  - Wrong. A Rethug judge could overthrow anything.  pnwmom   Dec-13-10 07:44 PM   #109 
  - pwmom, it won't stand up with the SCOTUS.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 08:17 PM   #114 
     - it was always a big giant turd circling the bowl  Skittles   Dec-13-10 09:47 PM   #133 
  - The Public Option would have died a much earlier death...  LostInAnomie   Dec-13-10 08:02 PM   #111 
  - With over 70% of the populace desiring it?  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-13-10 09:21 PM   #125 
  - Single payer never had a chance to get through the Senate.  Occam Bandage   Dec-13-10 08:36 PM   #116 
  - No he didn't. He had already long ago traded it away in deals with "stakeholders".  TheKentuckian   Dec-14-10 03:00 AM   #172 
  - "Obama threw all his weight behind the public option"  Enthusiast   Dec-14-10 07:30 AM   #198 
  - Ramen!  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-13-10 08:37 PM   #117 
  - Not snotty and I agree with you.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 08:57 PM   #122 
  - Thanks *smile*  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-13-10 09:38 PM   #129 
  - To wit: A For-Profit Corporation  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 04:18 AM   #175 
  - Actually, go further than that. Single payer wouldn't be thrown out, either.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-13-10 08:48 PM   #119 
  - I'll go further with you, too.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 09:01 PM   #123 
  - Heck  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-13-10 09:29 PM   #127 
  - I'm wondering if a public option was available as a choice for everyone if that would fix it.  laughingliberal   Dec-13-10 10:46 PM   #144 
  - That's actually a good point  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-14-10 10:12 AM   #212 
  - Right. Because dropping the age limit of Medicare for  davidwparker   Dec-13-10 08:55 PM   #120 
  - You know, that's a good question.  Rethuglican   Dec-13-10 09:59 PM   #136 
  - I didn't see the OP  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-14-10 04:38 AM   #178 
     - because  davidwparker   Dec-15-10 09:52 AM   #236 
  - Obviously the people with brains knew that mandates  humbled_opinion   Dec-13-10 09:18 PM   #124 
  - Suckered? Possibly.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 10:42 PM   #142 
  - "All roads lead to single-payer"  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 09:26 PM   #126 
  - Except we won't have a chance like we had in 2009 again in this generation.  David Zephyr   Dec-13-10 10:45 PM   #143 
     - That's true  Canuckistanian   Dec-13-10 11:08 PM   #149 
  - Ask who owns SCOTUS? Corporate America.  savannah43   Dec-13-10 09:33 PM   #128 
  - I agree with you that the SC will not kill the mandate. They will deliver for Big Business.  stillwaiting   Dec-14-10 06:09 AM   #183 
  - It would be completely constitutional.  burnsei sensei   Dec-13-10 09:45 PM   #131 
  - you can't actually be asserting that the conservative majority of this court....  tomp   Dec-13-10 10:05 PM   #138 
  - I'm sorry, but you seem not to have understood the public option  frazzled   Dec-13-10 10:41 PM   #141 
  - OK, California -- You're up!  ProudDad   Dec-13-10 10:52 PM   #146 
  - Of course it wouldn't. But "we" had to put forth the minimal effort...  Raster   Dec-13-10 10:53 PM   #147 
  - Yep, but now they lost the majority we gave 'em with their centrism. n/t  upi402   Dec-13-10 11:11 PM   #150 
  - Two thumbs up.  Zavulon   Dec-13-10 11:22 PM   #153 
  - The rest of the world looks at the U.S. healthcare racket as a criminal enterprise  David Zephyr   Dec-14-10 01:27 AM   #165 
  - Mandating Americans to purchas a service or commodity should have stood up.  caseymoz   Dec-13-10 11:37 PM   #155 
  - K & R  orbitalman   Dec-13-10 11:43 PM   #157 
  - "We'll fix it later!!!"  Bluebear   Dec-14-10 12:08 AM   #160 
  - Bingo.  David Zephyr   Dec-14-10 01:29 AM   #166 
     - More like We'll Kill It Later!  PhillySane   Dec-14-10 07:34 AM   #200 
  - The mandate was a poison pill. Medicare Part B works fine w/o a mandate.  rhett o rick   Dec-14-10 01:18 AM   #164 
  - Well,  Sherman A1   Dec-14-10 02:19 AM   #168 
  - I totally agree.  movingviolation   Dec-14-10 02:29 AM   #169 
  - You don't understand the judges ruling.  California Griz   Dec-14-10 02:45 AM   #170 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Dec-14-10 02:46 AM   #171 
  - With the state of our government and the influence of the multi-national corporations  TheKentuckian   Dec-14-10 03:12 AM   #173 
  - recommend  xchrom   Dec-14-10 05:09 AM   #181 
  - Once again the Democratic party is screwed up by their own conservative wing. n/t  Ganja Ninja   Dec-14-10 06:13 AM   #184 
  - It should have been  Enthusiast   Dec-14-10 06:43 AM   #191 
  - On the front page of the Huffington Post right now there is a story  Vinca   Dec-14-10 06:54 AM   #193 
  - That would require thinking...beyond your nose... no? n/t  orbitalman   Dec-14-10 07:23 AM   #197 
  - Wasted?  PhillySane   Dec-14-10 07:31 AM   #199 
  - Nothing was 'overthrown' in the courts. Get a grip.  Ikonoklast   Dec-14-10 07:36 AM   #201 
  - Naturally  dotymed   Dec-14-10 08:17 AM   #203 
  - Oh please, a year hasn't been wasted...such drama  Javaman   Dec-14-10 08:35 AM   #204 
  - Total lack of leadership.  deaniac21   Dec-14-10 09:24 AM   #207 
  - When you make over x amount it isn't really an option it is a forced payment.  sarcasmo   Dec-14-10 09:42 AM   #210 
  - Right, the taxing power is pretty broad. nt  Deep13   Dec-14-10 10:27 AM   #213 
  - Great that the repukes hate activist judges and would not condone a court overturning  BrklynLiberal   Dec-14-10 10:29 AM   #214 
  - The Day That We Caught Wind...  WiffenPoof   Dec-14-10 11:13 AM   #216 
  - It Seems Obvious Why...  WiffenPoof   Dec-14-10 11:31 AM   #218 
  - MANDATED HEALTHCARE HAS NOT BEEN OVERTHROWN IN THE COURTS  Capn Sunshine   Dec-14-10 11:38 AM   #219 
  - This Supreme Court will rule with the Tea Baggers.  kentuck   Dec-14-10 11:41 AM   #220 
  - Yup. And you know where the Supreme Court will come down on this.  mistertrickster   Dec-14-10 12:12 PM   #222 
  - "mandated purchase" failure will only broaden support for single payer  guruoo   Dec-14-10 12:27 PM   #224 
  - There is a public option in the Bill  California Griz   Dec-14-10 07:45 PM   #235 
  - "The haters" - whatever. nt  Bluebear   Dec-15-10 02:28 PM   #237 
  - Kick.  area51   Dec-17-10 12:38 AM   #243 
 

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