| 103. 1)Do you have any data to support this? 2) Taxing people is OK (public plan); tax by private |
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companies is fascism (mandate).
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| -A "Public Option" Would Not Be Overthrown in the Courts Like Obama's Mandated Healthcare Has Been. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:16 PM |
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I was thinking the exact same thing. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:17 PM |
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i agree |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#19 |
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i agree |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#20 |
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But it wouldn't prevail in Congress |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:59 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-13-10 01:06 PM |
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That's one decision |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 01:15 PM |
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I never thought that the HCR bill that passed was legal. Mandated health care. |
molly77 |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#89 |
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With over 70% of the citizenry for it? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:20 AM |
#176 |
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Yes, we should just give up. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 06:45 AM |
#192 |
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The Bill prevailed, this is just one portion of it and both sides agree |
harun |
Dec-13-10 01:01 PM |
#36 |
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There would not have been a viable challenge to it. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 02:07 PM |
#56 |
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Let It Go--Work for Single Payer, or Medicare for All |
Demeter |
Dec-13-10 12:20 PM |
#2 |
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Very goodpoint abt working for Singel Payer Universal HC. Thank you. n/t |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 01:36 AM |
#167 |
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That sounds great |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:28 AM |
#177 |
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a blessing in disguise? |
BREMPRO |
Dec-14-10 12:11 PM |
#221 |
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So does this mean we don't have |
abelenkpe |
Dec-13-10 12:21 PM |
#3 |
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Already a discredited analogy. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
#5 |
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+1 |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
#9 |
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And you don't purchase health care, one way or another? |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:16 PM |
#151 |
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It does contradict the Constitution. |
shimmergal |
Dec-13-10 11:38 PM |
#156 |
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Purchases are not involuntary servitude! |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:52 PM |
#158 |
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If there is no other option |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 05:23 AM |
#182 |
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Sounds like? With some (a lot of) poetic license, maybe. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 11:19 AM |
#217 |
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So having government force you to buy beanie babies would be constitutional? |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 12:22 PM |
#223 |
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How does the most ridiculous example say anything about reality? |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 02:59 PM |
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If what you said is true the most ridiculous example that I provided must also be true |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 03:48 PM |
#226 |
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Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 05:10 PM |
#227 |
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Yes, Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 05:31 PM |
#229 |
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So, if they take you money and give you nothing directly? That's allowed. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 06:31 PM |
#231 |
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An analogy of your argument. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 05:19 PM |
#228 |
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Taxes as legalized in this nation are akin to muggings. |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 06:12 PM |
#230 |
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How revenues are expended is a different topic. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 06:55 PM |
#232 |
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Money taken by the average tax payer and transferrred over to the Ultra Rich - |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 07:12 PM |
#233 |
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Okay, hyperbole-to-earth time, you're not walking away physically injured. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 07:36 PM |
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I beg your pardon, but I disagree. |
truedelphi |
Dec-15-10 06:31 PM |
#238 |
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Well, I've been 4% above the poverty level |
caseymoz |
Dec-16-10 08:01 AM |
#242 |
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We used to have a federal system that benefited more people |
mmonk |
Dec-15-10 06:50 PM |
#239 |
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You're correct. We're being gamed right now. Things that benefit |
mmonk |
Dec-15-10 07:03 PM |
#240 |
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Thanks kindly, mmonk. Like Woodie Guthrie used to sing: |
truedelphi |
Dec-16-10 02:04 AM |
#241 |
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If you buy the insurance you pay lower taxes. That is what is being |
JDPriestly |
Dec-14-10 12:17 AM |
#162 |
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Thanks |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:44 AM |
#180 |
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God damned problem is that, in the warped reality of corporate Amerika, health care IS COMMERCE too. |
T Wolf |
Dec-14-10 08:47 AM |
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+1 (nt) |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-10 10:49 AM |
#215 |
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The insurance you're required by law to have is liability |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:27 PM |
#8 |
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You're not pro choice?!?! |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-13-10 12:29 PM |
#12 |
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Not after birth! |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:35 PM |
#15 |
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That my friend, is the most profound time to be pro-choice...nt |
pokercat999 |
Dec-13-10 09:48 PM |
#134 |
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With the shredding of the safety net, many of us won't *have* the choice to be alive. |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 12:43 PM |
#25 |
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But if you don't buy health insurance |
abelenkpe |
Dec-13-10 01:52 PM |
#55 |
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When Medically Indigent Adults get hospital care, either the County picks up the tab, |
Bette Noir |
Dec-13-10 05:51 PM |
#71 |
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You're kidding, right? |
tpsbmam |
Dec-13-10 11:18 PM |
#152 |
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"you gonna die" Exactly! |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 07:03 AM |
#194 |
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You don't have to buy car insurance. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
#10 |
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Not all states allow for an escrow in lieu of car insurance. |
fasttense |
Dec-14-10 03:37 AM |
#174 |
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You don't have to buy car insurance but the State can tell you.... |
Bonhomme Richard |
Dec-13-10 12:34 PM |
#14 |
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I hate the car insurance analogy... because its B.S. |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-13-10 09:42 PM |
#130 |
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good question |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:39 PM |
#21 |
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No. It's a completely illogical question. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 02:15 PM |
#58 |
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No. It's not. It's an old ploy |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-13-10 08:56 PM |
#121 |
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In many states you are not required to buy car insurance ...... |
oldhippie |
Dec-13-10 01:25 PM |
#49 |
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Just check and see how much a state bond is. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Dec-13-10 07:34 PM |
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You can choose not to buy a car. You cannot chose not to get sick. |
AllyCat |
Dec-13-10 07:59 PM |
#110 |
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Lousy polituics and vulnerable law |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-13-10 12:22 PM |
#4 |
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Pretty much the history of the whole sordid episode. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:24 PM |
#115 |
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How could mandated insurance be constitutional? |
dgibby |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
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Because if you don't get insurance I have to pay for your ER visit |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 12:48 PM |
#27 |
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By this reasoning, should I have to pay for your SS or Medicare? |
leftstreet |
Dec-13-10 12:50 PM |
#29 |
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Yes, it's a lot like that |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 01:04 PM |
#39 |
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Private, for profit corporations are selling SS and Medicare?! |
leftstreet |
Dec-13-10 01:26 PM |
#50 |
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Making hundreds of millions processing the claims |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:17 PM |
#60 |
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Sounds good, but that's not how the US Constitution works. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:57 PM |
#32 |
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Yes, that is very true. But nothing to do with Constitutionality. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 02:16 PM |
#59 |
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Well, several courts disagree |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:18 PM |
#61 |
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Car insurance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-13-10 02:45 PM |
#65 |
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Agreed! |
onpatrol98 |
Dec-13-10 09:46 PM |
#132 |
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Nope... |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 10:50 PM |
#145 |
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Zeke Emmanuel had a lot to do with this, did he not? |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
#7 |
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Yes. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 04:24 PM |
#67 |
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I agree. We know that this health bill was built |
Cleita |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
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It will most likely be overthrown. Single Payer would not have. |
EndElectoral |
Dec-13-10 12:33 PM |
#13 |
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And ya know what? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:28 AM |
#187 |
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Especially if it never exists! Hillary's plan never got overthrown in court either |
stray cat |
Dec-13-10 12:37 PM |
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I, along with most of The Left, never supported Hillary's concept. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:43 PM |
#24 |
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What 'versus'? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:30 AM |
#188 |
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Hillary's 1993 plan truly sucked. |
Gaedel |
Dec-13-10 06:14 PM |
#82 |
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What kills me is the hypocrisy. Hillary also wanted mandated coverage and Obama was against it. |
Tatiana |
Dec-13-10 12:37 PM |
#17 |
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wow |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:40 PM |
#22 |
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John Edwards proposed making Medicare available as a public option |
JDPriestly |
Dec-14-10 12:21 AM |
#163 |
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Completely agree. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#18 |
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This was a win-win for Big Health Insurance. |
Divernan |
Dec-13-10 12:46 PM |
#26 |
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Oh yes |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:32 AM |
#189 |
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"Simply appalling" is a kind description of this fiasco. |
Divernan |
Dec-13-10 12:42 PM |
#23 |
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What Really Disturbs Me... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-13-10 12:50 PM |
#28 |
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Honestly, when you aim for mediocrity, complete failure is often what you get. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:56 PM |
#31 |
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That's a great line! I'm going to steal it. |
Bette Noir |
Dec-13-10 05:56 PM |
#76 |
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I second that. nt |
snagglepuss |
Dec-13-10 06:48 PM |
#94 |
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Great line. That's bumper sticker material :) nt |
snagglepuss |
Dec-13-10 06:49 PM |
#96 |
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My fee is 10%. |
closeupready |
Dec-14-10 09:38 AM |
#209 |
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Your subject line is a great quote! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:33 AM |
#190 |
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Because it is. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-14-10 10:05 AM |
#211 |
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Wouldn't pass Congress, either |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:51 PM |
#30 |
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It DID pass in the House. |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 12:57 PM |
#33 |
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Laughable |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:59 PM |
#34 |
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It didn't need 60 votes. HCR was passed through reconciliation, which only needed 50 votes. |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:03 PM |
#38 |
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My bad |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 01:12 PM |
#41 |
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How would you know if they didn't have 50 votes? |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:18 PM |
#44 |
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Harry Reid can count. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-14-10 07:40 AM |
#202 |
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Proof, or are you just making shit up? |
Dawgs |
Dec-14-10 09:05 AM |
#206 |
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Self delete. n/t |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:18 PM |
#45 |
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This is what I wrote in the OP. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 01:21 PM |
#48 |
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What's your basis for the claim that we didn't have 50 votes? |
eomer |
Dec-13-10 01:51 PM |
#54 |
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As I said before |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 07:17 AM |
#196 |
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I agree. Laughable. |
Bluebear |
Dec-14-10 12:08 AM |
#161 |
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unknown |
treestar |
Dec-13-10 01:02 PM |
#37 |
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The altar of private enterprise |
PurityOfEssence |
Dec-13-10 01:17 PM |
#43 |
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And this altar had more than a sacrifice. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 05:37 PM |
#68 |
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The Health Care Debacle is a PRIME EXAMPLE of political expediency over true leadership. n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-13-10 01:20 PM |
#46 |
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+1 |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-14-10 09:27 AM |
#208 |
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it's one case.....Court Upholds Key Provisions of Health Care Bill - Thursday, 07 Oct 2010 |
spanone |
Dec-13-10 01:21 PM |
#47 |
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The funding vehicle of the bill has been ripped out. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 01:31 PM |
#51 |
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how's that? what funding vehicle? |
spanone |
Dec-13-10 01:47 PM |
#53 |
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Not one penny of a "funding vehicle" has been ripped out, and he didn't even issue an injunction. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 05:53 PM |
#74 |
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i actually think the supremos will side with obama on this one. |
unblock |
Dec-13-10 01:35 PM |
#52 |
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this is what I think too |
fascisthunter |
Dec-13-10 06:59 PM |
#98 |
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I hate to agree, but yes, anything to promote their fascist view of the world. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:22 PM |
#104 |
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But there's no love lost between |
shimmergal |
Dec-13-10 11:56 PM |
#159 |
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One can only hope so! |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-14-10 06:23 AM |
#186 |
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Hey, didn't the Obama faithful promise to help us FIGHT for a Public Option |
Lorien |
Dec-13-10 02:10 PM |
#57 |
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Yeah, but I was pretty sure all that would disappear once the bill passed. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:34 PM |
#139 |
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Then again, a public option without dedicated revenue is an appallingly stupid idea |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:21 PM |
#62 |
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The reason you have no idea why that's true is because it isn't true. |
eomer |
Dec-13-10 02:40 PM |
#63 |
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Nope. Funded out of a combination of general revenue and premiums |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:43 PM |
#64 |
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What I've seen most people advocating here is literally "let people buy into Medicare". |
eomer |
Dec-14-10 04:43 AM |
#179 |
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You'd still be "mandated" to pay for Medicare, through taxes or direct premiums. |
Hoyt |
Dec-13-10 08:41 PM |
#118 |
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You don't think a Republican judge with financial ties to party operatives would invent a reason? |
izzybeans |
Dec-13-10 02:48 PM |
#66 |
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No mandate without the public option. That was a simple no brainer. |
on point |
Dec-13-10 05:37 PM |
#69 |
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Absolutely correct. And this tax deal is worse, morally and for the country's future than the |
20score |
Dec-13-10 05:48 PM |
#70 |
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I generally agree with what you're saying, but it wasn't Obama who "pissed away" the moment, |
GOPBasher |
Dec-13-10 05:51 PM |
#72 |
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Reality dictates that Obama takes the blame. He sold out the public option long before the debate |
20score |
Dec-13-10 05:56 PM |
#77 |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Dec-13-10 06:05 PM |
#79 |
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Well let's see: He could have grabbed them by the neck and |
pokercat999 |
Dec-13-10 10:00 PM |
#137 |
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The didn't need 60 - they needed 50 votes n/t |
Caretha |
Dec-14-10 07:16 AM |
#195 |
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I hate to break it to you, but a public option absolutely cannot survive without a mandate under |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 05:52 PM |
#73 |
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That May Be True, But... Will It Survive The Supreme Court ??? |
WillyT |
Dec-13-10 05:57 PM |
#78 |
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I think it will. But if it won't, a public option is dead too, since as I said, a public option |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:06 PM |
#80 |
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Who informed you that? |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:21 PM |
#84 |
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My point is that without a mandate, premiums for the public option would be thousands/month |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:30 PM |
#87 |
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Simply not true. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#88 |
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Guess what? The House bill had a mandate. You can continue to deny reality all you want, |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:34 PM |
#91 |
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I don't think so - Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Kennedy will kill it. |
reformist2 |
Dec-13-10 07:23 PM |
#105 |
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I don't understand why the PO wouldn't survive without a mandate. That was the original plan. |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:08 PM |
#81 |
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My point is that a Medicare buy-in WOULDN'T be cheaper if there were no mandate. It would be |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:14 PM |
#83 |
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I understand the added cost if only sick people are insured. |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:25 PM |
#86 |
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But right now, there is no federal law banning price discrimination. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#90 |
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One sentence in a bill for the public option would fix any objection |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:46 PM |
#93 |
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No, it wouldn't. What's the use of a public option if premiums cost thousands per month |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:48 PM |
#95 |
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I've already addressed that. I still reject your premise as I think it is based on a fallacy. One |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:59 PM |
#99 |
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I didn't create it: this "falacy" currently exists in the New York State individual market. n/t |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 07:01 PM |
#100 |
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Many folks buy now because they know once they get sick, no insurer will cover them. |
Hoyt |
Dec-13-10 10:53 PM |
#148 |
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And, yet, New York is not the most expensive premiums in the country. MA is the highest. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 11:35 PM |
#154 |
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You are correct. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:22 PM |
#85 |
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1)Do you have any data to support this? 2) Taxing people is OK (public plan); tax by private |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:21 PM |
#103 |
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Yes. New York State. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 08:05 PM |
#112 |
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As I recall, the number of individual policies decreased, but the number of individuals |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-14-10 06:22 AM |
#185 |
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It is fascism. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:14 PM |
#113 |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:38 PM |
#140 |
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Public Option...funded like Medicaid and Medicare |
onpatrol98 |
Dec-13-10 09:52 PM |
#135 |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Dec-13-10 05:55 PM |
#75 |
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they threw us under the bus then and are doing it again - |
2Design |
Dec-13-10 06:42 PM |
#92 |
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It didn't make sense mandating insurance. We want health care, not ins |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Dec-13-10 06:54 PM |
#97 |
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Thank you David. |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-13-10 07:05 PM |
#101 |
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Very well said. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:18 PM |
#102 |
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EXACTLY!!! |
DeSwiss |
Dec-13-10 07:29 PM |
#106 |
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Nice rant. Only one problem with it |
Gman |
Dec-13-10 07:39 PM |
#108 |
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Wrong. A Rethug judge could overthrow anything. |
pnwmom |
Dec-13-10 07:44 PM |
#109 |
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pwmom, it won't stand up with the SCOTUS. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:17 PM |
#114 |
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it was always a big giant turd circling the bowl |
Skittles |
Dec-13-10 09:47 PM |
#133 |
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The Public Option would have died a much earlier death... |
LostInAnomie |
Dec-13-10 08:02 PM |
#111 |
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With over 70% of the populace desiring it? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:21 PM |
#125 |
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Single payer never had a chance to get through the Senate. |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-13-10 08:36 PM |
#116 |
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No he didn't. He had already long ago traded it away in deals with "stakeholders". |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-14-10 03:00 AM |
#172 |
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"Obama threw all his weight behind the public option" |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 07:30 AM |
#198 |
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Ramen! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 08:37 PM |
#117 |
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Not snotty and I agree with you. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:57 PM |
#122 |
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Thanks *smile* |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:38 PM |
#129 |
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To wit: A For-Profit Corporation |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:18 AM |
#175 |
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Actually, go further than that. Single payer wouldn't be thrown out, either. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-13-10 08:48 PM |
#119 |
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I'll go further with you, too. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 09:01 PM |
#123 |
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Heck |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:29 PM |
#127 |
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I'm wondering if a public option was available as a choice for everyone if that would fix it. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:46 PM |
#144 |
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That's actually a good point |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-14-10 10:12 AM |
#212 |
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Right. Because dropping the age limit of Medicare for |
davidwparker |
Dec-13-10 08:55 PM |
#120 |
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You know, that's a good question. |
Rethuglican |
Dec-13-10 09:59 PM |
#136 |
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I didn't see the OP |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:38 AM |
#178 |
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because |
davidwparker |
Dec-15-10 09:52 AM |
#236 |
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Obviously the people with brains knew that mandates |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-13-10 09:18 PM |
#124 |
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Suckered? Possibly. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 10:42 PM |
#142 |
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"All roads lead to single-payer" |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-13-10 09:26 PM |
#126 |
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Except we won't have a chance like we had in 2009 again in this generation. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 10:45 PM |
#143 |
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That's true |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-13-10 11:08 PM |
#149 |
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Ask who owns SCOTUS? Corporate America. |
savannah43 |
Dec-13-10 09:33 PM |
#128 |
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I agree with you that the SC will not kill the mandate. They will deliver for Big Business. |
stillwaiting |
Dec-14-10 06:09 AM |
#183 |
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It would be completely constitutional. |
burnsei sensei |
Dec-13-10 09:45 PM |
#131 |
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you can't actually be asserting that the conservative majority of this court.... |
tomp |
Dec-13-10 10:05 PM |
#138 |
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I'm sorry, but you seem not to have understood the public option |
frazzled |
Dec-13-10 10:41 PM |
#141 |
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OK, California -- You're up! |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 10:52 PM |
#146 |
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Of course it wouldn't. But "we" had to put forth the minimal effort... |
Raster |
Dec-13-10 10:53 PM |
#147 |
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Yep, but now they lost the majority we gave 'em with their centrism. n/t |
upi402 |
Dec-13-10 11:11 PM |
#150 |
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Two thumbs up. |
Zavulon |
Dec-13-10 11:22 PM |
#153 |
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The rest of the world looks at the U.S. healthcare racket as a criminal enterprise |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-10 01:27 AM |
#165 |
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Mandating Americans to purchas a service or commodity should have stood up. |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:37 PM |
#155 |
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K & R |
orbitalman |
Dec-13-10 11:43 PM |
#157 |
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"We'll fix it later!!!" |
Bluebear |
Dec-14-10 12:08 AM |
#160 |
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Bingo. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-10 01:29 AM |
#166 |
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More like We'll Kill It Later! |
PhillySane |
Dec-14-10 07:34 AM |
#200 |
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The mandate was a poison pill. Medicare Part B works fine w/o a mandate. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-14-10 01:18 AM |
#164 |
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Well, |
Sherman A1 |
Dec-14-10 02:19 AM |
#168 |
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I totally agree. |
movingviolation |
Dec-14-10 02:29 AM |
#169 |
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You don't understand the judges ruling. |
California Griz |
Dec-14-10 02:45 AM |
#170 |
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kr |
Norrin Radd |
Dec-14-10 02:46 AM |
#171 |
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With the state of our government and the influence of the multi-national corporations |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-14-10 03:12 AM |
#173 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-14-10 05:09 AM |
#181 |
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Once again the Democratic party is screwed up by their own conservative wing. n/t |
Ganja Ninja |
Dec-14-10 06:13 AM |
#184 |
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It should have been |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 06:43 AM |
#191 |
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On the front page of the Huffington Post right now there is a story |
Vinca |
Dec-14-10 06:54 AM |
#193 |
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That would require thinking...beyond your nose... no? n/t |
orbitalman |
Dec-14-10 07:23 AM |
#197 |
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Wasted? |
PhillySane |
Dec-14-10 07:31 AM |
#199 |
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Nothing was 'overthrown' in the courts. Get a grip. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-14-10 07:36 AM |
#201 |
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Naturally |
dotymed |
Dec-14-10 08:17 AM |
#203 |
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Oh please, a year hasn't been wasted...such drama |
Javaman |
Dec-14-10 08:35 AM |
#204 |
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Total lack of leadership. |
deaniac21 |
Dec-14-10 09:24 AM |
#207 |
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When you make over x amount it isn't really an option it is a forced payment. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-14-10 09:42 AM |
#210 |
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Right, the taxing power is pretty broad. nt |
Deep13 |
Dec-14-10 10:27 AM |
#213 |
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Great that the repukes hate activist judges and would not condone a court overturning |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-14-10 10:29 AM |
#214 |
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The Day That We Caught Wind... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-14-10 11:13 AM |
#216 |
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It Seems Obvious Why... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-14-10 11:31 AM |
#218 |
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MANDATED HEALTHCARE HAS NOT BEEN OVERTHROWN IN THE COURTS |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-14-10 11:38 AM |
#219 |
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This Supreme Court will rule with the Tea Baggers. |
kentuck |
Dec-14-10 11:41 AM |
#220 |
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Yup. And you know where the Supreme Court will come down on this. |
mistertrickster |
Dec-14-10 12:12 PM |
#222 |
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"mandated purchase" failure will only broaden support for single payer |
guruoo |
Dec-14-10 12:27 PM |
#224 |
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There is a public option in the Bill |
California Griz |
Dec-14-10 07:45 PM |
#235 |
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"The haters" - whatever. nt |
Bluebear |
Dec-15-10 02:28 PM |
#237 |
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Kick. |
area51 |
Dec-17-10 12:38 AM |
#243 |
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