| 73. I hate to break it to you, but a public option absolutely cannot survive without a mandate under |
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any circumstances.
If you have no mandate, no one buys into the public option until they are sick. That means premiums for the public option spike to thousands per month.
Don't worry though, the mandate isn't going anywhere. The judge made many objective errors in his opinion that even right wingers are complaining about. It will be reversed by the 4th circuit.
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| -A "Public Option" Would Not Be Overthrown in the Courts Like Obama's Mandated Healthcare Has Been. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:16 PM |
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I was thinking the exact same thing. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:17 PM |
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i agree |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#19 |
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i agree |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#20 |
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But it wouldn't prevail in Congress |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:59 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-13-10 01:06 PM |
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That's one decision |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 01:15 PM |
#42 |
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I never thought that the HCR bill that passed was legal. Mandated health care. |
molly77 |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#89 |
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With over 70% of the citizenry for it? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:20 AM |
#176 |
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Yes, we should just give up. |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 06:45 AM |
#192 |
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The Bill prevailed, this is just one portion of it and both sides agree |
harun |
Dec-13-10 01:01 PM |
#36 |
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There would not have been a viable challenge to it. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 02:07 PM |
#56 |
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Let It Go--Work for Single Payer, or Medicare for All |
Demeter |
Dec-13-10 12:20 PM |
#2 |
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Very goodpoint abt working for Singel Payer Universal HC. Thank you. n/t |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 01:36 AM |
#167 |
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That sounds great |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:28 AM |
#177 |
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a blessing in disguise? |
BREMPRO |
Dec-14-10 12:11 PM |
#221 |
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So does this mean we don't have |
abelenkpe |
Dec-13-10 12:21 PM |
#3 |
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Already a discredited analogy. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
#5 |
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+1 |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
#9 |
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And you don't purchase health care, one way or another? |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:16 PM |
#151 |
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It does contradict the Constitution. |
shimmergal |
Dec-13-10 11:38 PM |
#156 |
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Purchases are not involuntary servitude! |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:52 PM |
#158 |
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If there is no other option |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 05:23 AM |
#182 |
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Sounds like? With some (a lot of) poetic license, maybe. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 11:19 AM |
#217 |
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So having government force you to buy beanie babies would be constitutional? |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 12:22 PM |
#223 |
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How does the most ridiculous example say anything about reality? |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 02:59 PM |
#225 |
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If what you said is true the most ridiculous example that I provided must also be true |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 03:48 PM |
#226 |
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Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 05:10 PM |
#227 |
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Yes, Ratified Amendments have the same weight as the original Constitution |
no limit |
Dec-14-10 05:31 PM |
#229 |
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So, if they take you money and give you nothing directly? That's allowed. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 06:31 PM |
#231 |
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An analogy of your argument. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 05:19 PM |
#228 |
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Taxes as legalized in this nation are akin to muggings. |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 06:12 PM |
#230 |
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How revenues are expended is a different topic. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 06:55 PM |
#232 |
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Money taken by the average tax payer and transferrred over to the Ultra Rich - |
truedelphi |
Dec-14-10 07:12 PM |
#233 |
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Okay, hyperbole-to-earth time, you're not walking away physically injured. |
caseymoz |
Dec-14-10 07:36 PM |
#234 |
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I beg your pardon, but I disagree. |
truedelphi |
Dec-15-10 06:31 PM |
#238 |
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Well, I've been 4% above the poverty level |
caseymoz |
Dec-16-10 08:01 AM |
#242 |
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We used to have a federal system that benefited more people |
mmonk |
Dec-15-10 06:50 PM |
#239 |
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You're correct. We're being gamed right now. Things that benefit |
mmonk |
Dec-15-10 07:03 PM |
#240 |
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Thanks kindly, mmonk. Like Woodie Guthrie used to sing: |
truedelphi |
Dec-16-10 02:04 AM |
#241 |
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If you buy the insurance you pay lower taxes. That is what is being |
JDPriestly |
Dec-14-10 12:17 AM |
#162 |
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Thanks |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:44 AM |
#180 |
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God damned problem is that, in the warped reality of corporate Amerika, health care IS COMMERCE too. |
T Wolf |
Dec-14-10 08:47 AM |
#205 |
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+1 (nt) |
harmonicon |
Dec-14-10 10:49 AM |
#215 |
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The insurance you're required by law to have is liability |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:27 PM |
#8 |
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You're not pro choice?!?! |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-13-10 12:29 PM |
#12 |
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Not after birth! |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 12:35 PM |
#15 |
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That my friend, is the most profound time to be pro-choice...nt |
pokercat999 |
Dec-13-10 09:48 PM |
#134 |
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With the shredding of the safety net, many of us won't *have* the choice to be alive. |
bobbolink |
Dec-13-10 12:43 PM |
#25 |
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But if you don't buy health insurance |
abelenkpe |
Dec-13-10 01:52 PM |
#55 |
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When Medically Indigent Adults get hospital care, either the County picks up the tab, |
Bette Noir |
Dec-13-10 05:51 PM |
#71 |
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You're kidding, right? |
tpsbmam |
Dec-13-10 11:18 PM |
#152 |
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"you gonna die" Exactly! |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 07:03 AM |
#194 |
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You don't have to buy car insurance. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
#10 |
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Not all states allow for an escrow in lieu of car insurance. |
fasttense |
Dec-14-10 03:37 AM |
#174 |
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You don't have to buy car insurance but the State can tell you.... |
Bonhomme Richard |
Dec-13-10 12:34 PM |
#14 |
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I hate the car insurance analogy... because its B.S. |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-13-10 09:42 PM |
#130 |
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good question |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:39 PM |
#21 |
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No. It's a completely illogical question. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 02:15 PM |
#58 |
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No. It's not. It's an old ploy |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-13-10 08:56 PM |
#121 |
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In many states you are not required to buy car insurance ...... |
oldhippie |
Dec-13-10 01:25 PM |
#49 |
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Just check and see how much a state bond is. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Dec-13-10 07:34 PM |
#107 |
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You can choose not to buy a car. You cannot chose not to get sick. |
AllyCat |
Dec-13-10 07:59 PM |
#110 |
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Lousy polituics and vulnerable law |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-13-10 12:22 PM |
#4 |
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Pretty much the history of the whole sordid episode. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:24 PM |
#115 |
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How could mandated insurance be constitutional? |
dgibby |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
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Because if you don't get insurance I have to pay for your ER visit |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 12:48 PM |
#27 |
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By this reasoning, should I have to pay for your SS or Medicare? |
leftstreet |
Dec-13-10 12:50 PM |
#29 |
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Yes, it's a lot like that |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 01:04 PM |
#39 |
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Private, for profit corporations are selling SS and Medicare?! |
leftstreet |
Dec-13-10 01:26 PM |
#50 |
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Making hundreds of millions processing the claims |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:17 PM |
#60 |
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Sounds good, but that's not how the US Constitution works. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:57 PM |
#32 |
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Yes, that is very true. But nothing to do with Constitutionality. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-13-10 02:16 PM |
#59 |
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Well, several courts disagree |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:18 PM |
#61 |
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Car insurance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-13-10 02:45 PM |
#65 |
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Agreed! |
onpatrol98 |
Dec-13-10 09:46 PM |
#132 |
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Nope... |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 10:50 PM |
#145 |
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Zeke Emmanuel had a lot to do with this, did he not? |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Dec-13-10 12:23 PM |
#7 |
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Yes. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 04:24 PM |
#67 |
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I agree. We know that this health bill was built |
Cleita |
Dec-13-10 12:28 PM |
#11 |
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It will most likely be overthrown. Single Payer would not have. |
EndElectoral |
Dec-13-10 12:33 PM |
#13 |
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And ya know what? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:28 AM |
#187 |
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Especially if it never exists! Hillary's plan never got overthrown in court either |
stray cat |
Dec-13-10 12:37 PM |
#16 |
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I, along with most of The Left, never supported Hillary's concept. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 12:43 PM |
#24 |
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What 'versus'? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:30 AM |
#188 |
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Hillary's 1993 plan truly sucked. |
Gaedel |
Dec-13-10 06:14 PM |
#82 |
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What kills me is the hypocrisy. Hillary also wanted mandated coverage and Obama was against it. |
Tatiana |
Dec-13-10 12:37 PM |
#17 |
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wow |
tracy_winzer01 |
Dec-13-10 12:40 PM |
#22 |
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John Edwards proposed making Medicare available as a public option |
JDPriestly |
Dec-14-10 12:21 AM |
#163 |
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Completely agree. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:38 PM |
#18 |
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This was a win-win for Big Health Insurance. |
Divernan |
Dec-13-10 12:46 PM |
#26 |
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Oh yes |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:32 AM |
#189 |
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"Simply appalling" is a kind description of this fiasco. |
Divernan |
Dec-13-10 12:42 PM |
#23 |
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What Really Disturbs Me... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-13-10 12:50 PM |
#28 |
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Honestly, when you aim for mediocrity, complete failure is often what you get. |
closeupready |
Dec-13-10 12:56 PM |
#31 |
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That's a great line! I'm going to steal it. |
Bette Noir |
Dec-13-10 05:56 PM |
#76 |
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I second that. nt |
snagglepuss |
Dec-13-10 06:48 PM |
#94 |
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Great line. That's bumper sticker material :) nt |
snagglepuss |
Dec-13-10 06:49 PM |
#96 |
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My fee is 10%. |
closeupready |
Dec-14-10 09:38 AM |
#209 |
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Your subject line is a great quote! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 06:33 AM |
#190 |
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Because it is. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-14-10 10:05 AM |
#211 |
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Wouldn't pass Congress, either |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:51 PM |
#30 |
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It DID pass in the House. |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 12:57 PM |
#33 |
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Laughable |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 12:59 PM |
#34 |
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It didn't need 60 votes. HCR was passed through reconciliation, which only needed 50 votes. |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:03 PM |
#38 |
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My bad |
Still a Democrat |
Dec-13-10 01:12 PM |
#41 |
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How would you know if they didn't have 50 votes? |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:18 PM |
#44 |
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Harry Reid can count. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-14-10 07:40 AM |
#202 |
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Proof, or are you just making shit up? |
Dawgs |
Dec-14-10 09:05 AM |
#206 |
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Self delete. n/t |
Dawgs |
Dec-13-10 01:18 PM |
#45 |
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This is what I wrote in the OP. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 01:21 PM |
#48 |
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What's your basis for the claim that we didn't have 50 votes? |
eomer |
Dec-13-10 01:51 PM |
#54 |
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As I said before |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 07:17 AM |
#196 |
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I agree. Laughable. |
Bluebear |
Dec-14-10 12:08 AM |
#161 |
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unknown |
treestar |
Dec-13-10 01:02 PM |
#37 |
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The altar of private enterprise |
PurityOfEssence |
Dec-13-10 01:17 PM |
#43 |
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And this altar had more than a sacrifice. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 05:37 PM |
#68 |
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The Health Care Debacle is a PRIME EXAMPLE of political expediency over true leadership. n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-13-10 01:20 PM |
#46 |
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+1 |
Pacifist Patriot |
Dec-14-10 09:27 AM |
#208 |
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it's one case.....Court Upholds Key Provisions of Health Care Bill - Thursday, 07 Oct 2010 |
spanone |
Dec-13-10 01:21 PM |
#47 |
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The funding vehicle of the bill has been ripped out. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 01:31 PM |
#51 |
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how's that? what funding vehicle? |
spanone |
Dec-13-10 01:47 PM |
#53 |
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Not one penny of a "funding vehicle" has been ripped out, and he didn't even issue an injunction. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 05:53 PM |
#74 |
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i actually think the supremos will side with obama on this one. |
unblock |
Dec-13-10 01:35 PM |
#52 |
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this is what I think too |
fascisthunter |
Dec-13-10 06:59 PM |
#98 |
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I hate to agree, but yes, anything to promote their fascist view of the world. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:22 PM |
#104 |
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But there's no love lost between |
shimmergal |
Dec-13-10 11:56 PM |
#159 |
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One can only hope so! |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-14-10 06:23 AM |
#186 |
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Hey, didn't the Obama faithful promise to help us FIGHT for a Public Option |
Lorien |
Dec-13-10 02:10 PM |
#57 |
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Yeah, but I was pretty sure all that would disappear once the bill passed. nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:34 PM |
#139 |
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Then again, a public option without dedicated revenue is an appallingly stupid idea |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:21 PM |
#62 |
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The reason you have no idea why that's true is because it isn't true. |
eomer |
Dec-13-10 02:40 PM |
#63 |
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Nope. Funded out of a combination of general revenue and premiums |
Recursion |
Dec-13-10 02:43 PM |
#64 |
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What I've seen most people advocating here is literally "let people buy into Medicare". |
eomer |
Dec-14-10 04:43 AM |
#179 |
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You'd still be "mandated" to pay for Medicare, through taxes or direct premiums. |
Hoyt |
Dec-13-10 08:41 PM |
#118 |
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You don't think a Republican judge with financial ties to party operatives would invent a reason? |
izzybeans |
Dec-13-10 02:48 PM |
#66 |
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No mandate without the public option. That was a simple no brainer. |
on point |
Dec-13-10 05:37 PM |
#69 |
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Absolutely correct. And this tax deal is worse, morally and for the country's future than the |
20score |
Dec-13-10 05:48 PM |
#70 |
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I generally agree with what you're saying, but it wasn't Obama who "pissed away" the moment, |
GOPBasher |
Dec-13-10 05:51 PM |
#72 |
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Reality dictates that Obama takes the blame. He sold out the public option long before the debate |
20score |
Dec-13-10 05:56 PM |
#77 |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Dec-13-10 06:05 PM |
#79 |
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Well let's see: He could have grabbed them by the neck and |
pokercat999 |
Dec-13-10 10:00 PM |
#137 |
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The didn't need 60 - they needed 50 votes n/t |
Caretha |
Dec-14-10 07:16 AM |
#195 |
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I hate to break it to you, but a public option absolutely cannot survive without a mandate under |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 05:52 PM |
#73 |
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That May Be True, But... Will It Survive The Supreme Court ??? |
WillyT |
Dec-13-10 05:57 PM |
#78 |
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I think it will. But if it won't, a public option is dead too, since as I said, a public option |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:06 PM |
#80 |
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Who informed you that? |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:21 PM |
#84 |
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My point is that without a mandate, premiums for the public option would be thousands/month |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:30 PM |
#87 |
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Simply not true. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#88 |
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Guess what? The House bill had a mandate. You can continue to deny reality all you want, |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:34 PM |
#91 |
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I don't think so - Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Kennedy will kill it. |
reformist2 |
Dec-13-10 07:23 PM |
#105 |
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I don't understand why the PO wouldn't survive without a mandate. That was the original plan. |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:08 PM |
#81 |
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My point is that a Medicare buy-in WOULDN'T be cheaper if there were no mandate. It would be |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:14 PM |
#83 |
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I understand the added cost if only sick people are insured. |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:25 PM |
#86 |
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But right now, there is no federal law banning price discrimination. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:32 PM |
#90 |
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One sentence in a bill for the public option would fix any objection |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:46 PM |
#93 |
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No, it wouldn't. What's the use of a public option if premiums cost thousands per month |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 06:48 PM |
#95 |
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I've already addressed that. I still reject your premise as I think it is based on a fallacy. One |
20score |
Dec-13-10 06:59 PM |
#99 |
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I didn't create it: this "falacy" currently exists in the New York State individual market. n/t |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 07:01 PM |
#100 |
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Many folks buy now because they know once they get sick, no insurer will cover them. |
Hoyt |
Dec-13-10 10:53 PM |
#148 |
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And, yet, New York is not the most expensive premiums in the country. MA is the highest. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 11:35 PM |
#154 |
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You are correct. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 06:22 PM |
#85 |
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1)Do you have any data to support this? 2) Taxing people is OK (public plan); tax by private |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:21 PM |
#103 |
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Yes. New York State. |
BzaDem |
Dec-13-10 08:05 PM |
#112 |
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As I recall, the number of individual policies decreased, but the number of individuals |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-14-10 06:22 AM |
#185 |
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It is fascism. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:14 PM |
#113 |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:38 PM |
#140 |
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Public Option...funded like Medicaid and Medicare |
onpatrol98 |
Dec-13-10 09:52 PM |
#135 |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Dec-13-10 05:55 PM |
#75 |
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they threw us under the bus then and are doing it again - |
2Design |
Dec-13-10 06:42 PM |
#92 |
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It didn't make sense mandating insurance. We want health care, not ins |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Dec-13-10 06:54 PM |
#97 |
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Thank you David. |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-13-10 07:05 PM |
#101 |
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Very well said. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-13-10 07:18 PM |
#102 |
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EXACTLY!!! |
DeSwiss |
Dec-13-10 07:29 PM |
#106 |
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Nice rant. Only one problem with it |
Gman |
Dec-13-10 07:39 PM |
#108 |
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Wrong. A Rethug judge could overthrow anything. |
pnwmom |
Dec-13-10 07:44 PM |
#109 |
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pwmom, it won't stand up with the SCOTUS. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:17 PM |
#114 |
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it was always a big giant turd circling the bowl |
Skittles |
Dec-13-10 09:47 PM |
#133 |
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The Public Option would have died a much earlier death... |
LostInAnomie |
Dec-13-10 08:02 PM |
#111 |
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With over 70% of the populace desiring it? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:21 PM |
#125 |
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Single payer never had a chance to get through the Senate. |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-13-10 08:36 PM |
#116 |
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No he didn't. He had already long ago traded it away in deals with "stakeholders". |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-14-10 03:00 AM |
#172 |
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"Obama threw all his weight behind the public option" |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 07:30 AM |
#198 |
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Ramen! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 08:37 PM |
#117 |
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Not snotty and I agree with you. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 08:57 PM |
#122 |
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Thanks *smile* |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:38 PM |
#129 |
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To wit: A For-Profit Corporation |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:18 AM |
#175 |
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Actually, go further than that. Single payer wouldn't be thrown out, either. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-13-10 08:48 PM |
#119 |
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I'll go further with you, too. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 09:01 PM |
#123 |
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Heck |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-13-10 09:29 PM |
#127 |
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I'm wondering if a public option was available as a choice for everyone if that would fix it. |
laughingliberal |
Dec-13-10 10:46 PM |
#144 |
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That's actually a good point |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-14-10 10:12 AM |
#212 |
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Right. Because dropping the age limit of Medicare for |
davidwparker |
Dec-13-10 08:55 PM |
#120 |
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You know, that's a good question. |
Rethuglican |
Dec-13-10 09:59 PM |
#136 |
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I didn't see the OP |
Cherchez la Femme |
Dec-14-10 04:38 AM |
#178 |
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because |
davidwparker |
Dec-15-10 09:52 AM |
#236 |
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Obviously the people with brains knew that mandates |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-13-10 09:18 PM |
#124 |
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Suckered? Possibly. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 10:42 PM |
#142 |
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"All roads lead to single-payer" |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-13-10 09:26 PM |
#126 |
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Except we won't have a chance like we had in 2009 again in this generation. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-13-10 10:45 PM |
#143 |
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That's true |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-13-10 11:08 PM |
#149 |
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Ask who owns SCOTUS? Corporate America. |
savannah43 |
Dec-13-10 09:33 PM |
#128 |
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I agree with you that the SC will not kill the mandate. They will deliver for Big Business. |
stillwaiting |
Dec-14-10 06:09 AM |
#183 |
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It would be completely constitutional. |
burnsei sensei |
Dec-13-10 09:45 PM |
#131 |
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you can't actually be asserting that the conservative majority of this court.... |
tomp |
Dec-13-10 10:05 PM |
#138 |
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I'm sorry, but you seem not to have understood the public option |
frazzled |
Dec-13-10 10:41 PM |
#141 |
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OK, California -- You're up! |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 10:52 PM |
#146 |
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Of course it wouldn't. But "we" had to put forth the minimal effort... |
Raster |
Dec-13-10 10:53 PM |
#147 |
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Yep, but now they lost the majority we gave 'em with their centrism. n/t |
upi402 |
Dec-13-10 11:11 PM |
#150 |
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Two thumbs up. |
Zavulon |
Dec-13-10 11:22 PM |
#153 |
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The rest of the world looks at the U.S. healthcare racket as a criminal enterprise |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-10 01:27 AM |
#165 |
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Mandating Americans to purchas a service or commodity should have stood up. |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 11:37 PM |
#155 |
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K & R |
orbitalman |
Dec-13-10 11:43 PM |
#157 |
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"We'll fix it later!!!" |
Bluebear |
Dec-14-10 12:08 AM |
#160 |
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Bingo. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-10 01:29 AM |
#166 |
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More like We'll Kill It Later! |
PhillySane |
Dec-14-10 07:34 AM |
#200 |
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The mandate was a poison pill. Medicare Part B works fine w/o a mandate. |
rhett o rick |
Dec-14-10 01:18 AM |
#164 |
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Well, |
Sherman A1 |
Dec-14-10 02:19 AM |
#168 |
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I totally agree. |
movingviolation |
Dec-14-10 02:29 AM |
#169 |
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You don't understand the judges ruling. |
California Griz |
Dec-14-10 02:45 AM |
#170 |
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kr |
Norrin Radd |
Dec-14-10 02:46 AM |
#171 |
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With the state of our government and the influence of the multi-national corporations |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-14-10 03:12 AM |
#173 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-14-10 05:09 AM |
#181 |
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Once again the Democratic party is screwed up by their own conservative wing. n/t |
Ganja Ninja |
Dec-14-10 06:13 AM |
#184 |
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It should have been |
Enthusiast |
Dec-14-10 06:43 AM |
#191 |
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On the front page of the Huffington Post right now there is a story |
Vinca |
Dec-14-10 06:54 AM |
#193 |
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That would require thinking...beyond your nose... no? n/t |
orbitalman |
Dec-14-10 07:23 AM |
#197 |
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Wasted? |
PhillySane |
Dec-14-10 07:31 AM |
#199 |
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Nothing was 'overthrown' in the courts. Get a grip. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-14-10 07:36 AM |
#201 |
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Naturally |
dotymed |
Dec-14-10 08:17 AM |
#203 |
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Oh please, a year hasn't been wasted...such drama |
Javaman |
Dec-14-10 08:35 AM |
#204 |
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Total lack of leadership. |
deaniac21 |
Dec-14-10 09:24 AM |
#207 |
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When you make over x amount it isn't really an option it is a forced payment. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-14-10 09:42 AM |
#210 |
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Right, the taxing power is pretty broad. nt |
Deep13 |
Dec-14-10 10:27 AM |
#213 |
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Great that the repukes hate activist judges and would not condone a court overturning |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-14-10 10:29 AM |
#214 |
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The Day That We Caught Wind... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-14-10 11:13 AM |
#216 |
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It Seems Obvious Why... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-14-10 11:31 AM |
#218 |
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MANDATED HEALTHCARE HAS NOT BEEN OVERTHROWN IN THE COURTS |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-14-10 11:38 AM |
#219 |
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This Supreme Court will rule with the Tea Baggers. |
kentuck |
Dec-14-10 11:41 AM |
#220 |
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Yup. And you know where the Supreme Court will come down on this. |
mistertrickster |
Dec-14-10 12:12 PM |
#222 |
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"mandated purchase" failure will only broaden support for single payer |
guruoo |
Dec-14-10 12:27 PM |
#224 |
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There is a public option in the Bill |
California Griz |
Dec-14-10 07:45 PM |
#235 |
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"The haters" - whatever. nt |
Bluebear |
Dec-15-10 02:28 PM |
#237 |
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Kick. |
area51 |
Dec-17-10 12:38 AM |
#243 |
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