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Fri Jul-29-11 02:48 PM
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| 56. And then there is a smaller group who think they know 'how things |
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Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 02:50 PM by sabrina 1
work' and don't much care that their confidence in their own superiority, has been proven so wrong so often, as is apparent at this very moment.
Indeed it was the contention of this small group that the current WH policies of capitulation and compromise and bi-partisanship would work. The larger group disagreed, not being political operatives but just ordinary Americans with some common sense, it was clear to most of them that caving to bullies leads to exactly where we are today.
That larger group who 'want what they want' which is btw 'what is best for this country not for Wall St. gamblers', appear once again to have been correct. Too bad they didn't get what they 'wanted', or as often referred to by that that smaller group, 'their ponies'. Giving ponies to Teabaggers, and they apparently have received plenty of them from Democrats, worked out just as anyone with an ounce of common sense actually predicted. Too bad we didn't get any ponies.
So how do you explain the brilliance of policies that have brought the country to where it is now, AFTER that 'larger group' handed Democrats a majority in both houses and the WH, which they promptly threw away by refusing to actually fight for policies that would make this a better country, and spent much of those first two years 'compromising' with bullies?
That smaller groups' constant refrain that 'politics is all about compromise' has now been played out and I, as a member of that larger, far more, according to you, ignorant group of DUers, am sorry to say we were right.
Now, maybe, although learning that lesson has cost us a lot, we can return to some common sense policies, which should include 'stop giving ponies to Tea-baggers and start handing them out to those who elected you'. For a change.
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tavalon |
Jul-29-11 09:48 AM |
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Of course you are...nt |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 09:49 AM |
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Are you? |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 09:50 AM |
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I am, but about different things than you. |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 09:55 AM |
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He can use the 14th amendment and let the courts sort it out. |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:03 AM |
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No, he can't. |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:05 AM |
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If Obama tries to use the 14th Amendment to circumvent the |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:13 AM |
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That would be a distinct possibility. Whatever happened, it |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:14 AM |
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My school has been DU. Was that a mistake? |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:20 AM |
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DU is very variable regarding factual information. |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:23 AM |
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I'm quite discerning and capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:26 AM |
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"A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest..." |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:35 AM |
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If you are a man, that line also applies to you. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 07:48 AM |
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And then there is a smaller group who think they know 'how things |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-29-11 02:48 PM |
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+ a gazillion. nt |
Mojorabbit |
Jul-29-11 10:19 PM |
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Yup - worst case, we get President Joe Biden |
bananas |
Jul-30-11 12:10 AM |
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or he can go down in history as the President who saved us from the crazies. |
tavalon |
Jul-30-11 10:03 AM |
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What you said! |
Ferretherder |
Jul-30-11 06:23 AM |
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Very well stated |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 07:49 AM |
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thank you. the arrogance of such people is astounding. |
tomp |
Jul-30-11 08:41 AM |
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This should have its own thread |
MissDeeds |
Jul-30-11 08:45 AM |
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Well Said! |
Bryn |
Jul-30-11 08:59 AM |
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Well said. nt |
woo me with science |
Jul-30-11 09:32 AM |
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You nailed it sabrina. Thank you! nt |
Desertrose |
Jul-30-11 09:53 AM |
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AMEN! Well said (nt) |
CrawlingChaos |
Jul-30-11 02:57 PM |
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that's right, we should listen to the adults.... |
tomp |
Jul-30-11 08:38 AM |
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George Bush. |
sendero |
Jul-29-11 10:46 AM |
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Bu-bu-but He's A REPUBLICAN! They're EXPECTED to break the rules. We're NOT! |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-30-11 07:16 AM |
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All I KNOW is that the legal and constitutional experts disagree |
gateley |
Jul-30-11 09:29 AM |
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Obama's own White House attorneys have looked at the 14th |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:21 AM |
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No, they have said it is of questionable constitutionality |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:22 AM |
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They told Obama the 14th was a 'no-go.' Are you really arguing that |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:29 AM |
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Yup. Let the judges judge, not the lawyers. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-29-11 10:30 AM |
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Good Lord, then why bother having attorneys in the first place? Let's just |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:35 AM |
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Shakespeare had a solution larger than firing them all |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 07:56 AM |
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The sentiment to "kill all the lawyers" is uttered by Jack Cade, a |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-30-11 02:49 PM |
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Honestly wasn't that Palin's view |
tammywammy |
Jul-29-11 10:48 AM |
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Do you really want the Supreme Court, with its current members, deciding this issue? Seriously? nt |
Selatius |
Jul-30-11 05:40 AM |
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All lawyers in the Office of White House Counsel were appointed by Obama |
Divernan |
Jul-29-11 06:18 PM |
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Wow, thanks for all the specific detail. Totally get your point about |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 11:31 PM |
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Obama promised transparency re White House Counsel. He hasn't delivered it. Another broken promise! |
Divernan |
Jul-30-11 06:43 AM |
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Excellent point. People don't understand the system. For instance, a plurality of US Debt bonds are |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-30-11 07:20 AM |
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Important post. Thank you. nt |
woo me with science |
Jul-30-11 09:31 AM |
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Yes |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:28 PM |
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One name |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 08:02 PM |
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Are they the some 'experts' who approved say, torture? |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 07:52 AM |
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Yes. Let's have SCOTUS write an opinion on Section 4. |
msanthrope |
Jul-29-11 11:14 AM |
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Obama was able to find lawyers to give the A-OK for running a new WAR |
bvar22 |
Jul-29-11 10:31 AM |
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and lawyers that find no issues with executing an American citizen without so much as charges, much |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-29-11 07:02 PM |
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What did they say about Libya? |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-29-11 06:34 PM |
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What meaningful Legislation do you forsee passing as long as Republicans control Congress and Obama |
Bandit |
Jul-29-11 10:23 AM |
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Two different questions. |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:49 AM |
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I am fascinated that you seem to think you have a |
enlightenment |
Jul-29-11 10:51 AM |
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You've correctly defined my opinion as opinion. |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:57 AM |
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If you haven't read that blog post yet, you might want to |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:36 PM |
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Actually it was correctly defined as opinon which is unsupported |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 08:05 AM |
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Thank you for actually adding something intelligent to the discussion. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-29-11 03:00 PM |
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I hope more and more will. I can't think of anyone more studied |
chill_wind |
Jul-29-11 11:49 PM |
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WOW! |
BobbyBoring |
Jul-30-11 01:53 PM |
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Describe the process of 'duking it out'. What the hell does that |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 08:22 AM |
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Lots of Meaningful legislation being passed |
Progressive dog |
Jul-30-11 09:39 AM |
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So be it, they wanted to do it from day one |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:18 AM |
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True, but the 'Constitutional Crisis' Mineral Man alluded to up-thread |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:28 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-29-11 10:24 AM |
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Especialy since he'll be breaking the law if he does 'ues it' (the 14th). Ironic, |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-29-11 10:41 AM |
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So. Clinton was Impeached by a Repuke House and not by the Senate and left office with a 65% |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jul-29-11 02:33 PM |
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Well, they probably will try to impeach him for NOT using the 14th amendment... |
cascadiance |
Jul-30-11 05:45 AM |
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"high crimes and misdemeanors" |
treestar |
Jul-30-11 01:18 PM |
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One of the articles of impeachment passed out of the House |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-30-11 02:56 PM |
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I've been reading my pocket constitution a lot lately |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:17 AM |
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President Clinton said that he would exercise his 14th amendment rights in this |
Lorien |
Jul-29-11 07:14 PM |
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put there is a precedent..... |
madmom |
Jul-29-11 10:50 AM |
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If I am not mistaken, Truman invoked the 14th Amendment |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 11:05 AM |
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Debunked. Please read the entire thread you cited.....n/t |
msanthrope |
Jul-29-11 11:16 AM |
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Didn't the pres ignore the war powers resolution to hit Libya? |
jtuck004 |
Jul-29-11 11:17 AM |
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1. That's bullshit. Even Larry Tribe reversed his opinion and now agrees.. |
girl gone mad |
Jul-29-11 02:30 PM |
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You DO REALIZE the $1.6 Trillion it owes to itself is money owed SOCIAL SECURITY, right? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-30-11 07:26 AM |
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Oddly, Truman wasn't impeached over invoking the 14th |
Ruby the Liberal |
Jul-29-11 03:58 PM |
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The 14th Amendment is the Constitution. |
caseymoz |
Jul-30-11 09:49 AM |
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I keep reading the 14th and no where do I see anything that gives him the authority |
madokie |
Jul-30-11 06:34 AM |
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What do you expect it to say? There was no debt ceiling law when it was written. |
Motown_Johnny |
Jul-30-11 10:46 AM |
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Fascinating. So you've moved from saying 'there is no sell-out deal', to |
Marr |
Jul-29-11 10:04 AM |
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Nope. You're incorrect. Perhaps you should stick to making |
MineralMan |
Jul-29-11 10:10 AM |
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I'm trying to clarify. |
Marr |
Jul-29-11 11:36 AM |
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Yup - those were his scripts and he stuck to them. |
Divernan |
Jul-29-11 08:24 PM |
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WE didn't allow a Republican majority in the House. |
EFerrari |
Jul-29-11 06:30 PM |
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Our entire region did not elect a single new Republican |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-30-11 08:15 AM |
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What I am angry about is that the policies of 'compromise' |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-29-11 02:28 PM |
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Correct |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:17 PM |
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Of course you never are! n-t |
Logical |
Jul-29-11 10:32 AM |
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Well, it seems the fourteenth amendment solution is gaining traction |
tavalon |
Jul-30-11 10:01 AM |
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You Are Not the Only One |
we can do it |
Jul-29-11 09:50 AM |
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He should get Republican votes when even Boehner can't? |
lunatica |
Jul-29-11 10:00 AM |
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In order to use the 14th Amendment |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Jul-29-11 10:03 AM |
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I thought the deadline was August first |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:05 AM |
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I agree |
Strelnikov_ |
Jul-29-11 10:12 AM |
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It's not over.... |
Renew Deal |
Jul-29-11 10:14 AM |
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Will Pitt has a good take on this: |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Jul-29-11 10:21 AM |
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He always does |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 10:25 AM |
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It's not Those Goddamned Teabaggers. It's our elected officials who fucking stand UP to them. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-29-11 10:29 AM |
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I agree. |
girl gone mad |
Jul-29-11 03:27 PM |
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It's both |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:23 PM |
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Oh, for Christ's sake |
Abq_Sarah |
Jul-30-11 02:06 PM |
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The President and Boehner thought they were playing Russian roulette with blanks. |
Prism |
Jul-29-11 10:33 AM |
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Unfortunately, Obama has NO SPINE ..... |
divvy |
Jul-29-11 10:34 AM |
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SPINE has nothing to do with it. n/t |
Fire1 |
Jul-29-11 11:10 AM |
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Nope, he wants those cuts to Social Security and Medicare, dammit! |
Lorien |
Jul-29-11 07:04 PM |
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Jul-30-11 04:40 AM |
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Courage to do what? |
treestar |
Jul-30-11 01:18 PM |
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Right now I'm just disgusted. If the bottom falls out next week... |
TreasonousBastard |
Jul-29-11 10:53 AM |
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You cited Clinton and Nixon, but you forgot one... |
Wednesdays |
Jul-30-11 10:36 AM |
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I'm having the same reaction and so is everyone I know. No one thought this going to get to this |
Puregonzo1188 |
Jul-29-11 11:35 AM |
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These terrorists sure do seem hellbent on that. |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:26 PM |
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I was officially furious a couple of weeks ago. |
Hatchling |
Jul-29-11 02:16 PM |
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To those saying "no way" to the 14th, |
Proles |
Jul-29-11 02:38 PM |
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I and many others here lived thru 1968, Chicago, etc. The Left was NEVER this whole-cloth |
WinkyDink |
Jul-29-11 06:21 PM |
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The left. I don't think you've noticed who is perpetrating this asshattery |
tavalon |
Jul-29-11 06:27 PM |
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Its mostly the color of his skin |
madokie |
Jul-30-11 06:29 AM |
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Forget the 14th. It's not going to happen. |
badtoworse |
Jul-30-11 08:43 AM |
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No thanks. |
tavalon |
Jul-30-11 10:02 AM |
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You should be upset |
SmittynMo |
Jul-30-11 09:25 AM |
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Call Tea Party HQ and tell them |
treestar |
Jul-30-11 10:38 AM |
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I have been furious all week. Selling stuff on Ebay to prepare for no August check. |
sarcasmo |
Jul-30-11 02:33 PM |
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You nailed it. |
Ferricadouzer |
Jul-30-11 05:00 PM |
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