hifiguy
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Wed Jul-27-11 04:21 PM
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| 41. Here, prisons are run and administered in a manner |
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that basically teaches the incarcerated to be "better" criminals.
I suspect that the Norwegians are on to something far more constructive than the US prison-industrial complex.
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| -Norway prisons - private cells, flat screens, mini fridges, windows. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-26-11 08:16 PM |
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Good for them. A humane society. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-11 08:18 PM |
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Exactly! |
Solly Mack |
Jul-26-11 08:49 PM |
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DoublePlus++ Good! |
Agony |
Jul-26-11 09:45 PM |
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NO! We must cause prisoners pain and suffering. |
Incitatus |
Jul-28-11 02:15 AM |
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21 years max for a mass murderer is just unconscionable |
bluestateguy |
Jul-26-11 08:18 PM |
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How many times do we have to point to you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-26-11 08:20 PM |
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He may face an additional charge- crimes against humanity |
malaise |
Jul-26-11 08:20 PM |
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That's max before parole opportunities |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-26-11 08:21 PM |
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He will never get out. You are reading the usual |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-11 08:21 PM |
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The burden of proof is on the state to prove that he is still a danger to society. |
Nye Bevan |
Jul-26-11 08:35 PM |
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The problem with that sentence is that once it's instituted |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-26-11 08:40 PM |
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The Norwegians are adults and seem to be running their country AT LEAST |
kestrel91316 |
Jul-26-11 09:33 PM |
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Finger-wagging by know-it-all xenocentrics is equally inappropriate. |
Maru Kitteh |
Jul-27-11 06:27 PM |
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" xenocentrics " |
sudopod |
Jul-27-11 06:29 PM |
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No, I think that's a good system actually. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-27-11 12:55 AM |
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I like the idea of the burden of proof for such things being on the state. Can't get outraged. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jul-27-11 04:19 PM |
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I think such proof will be quite easy. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:24 PM |
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+100000! |
Fearless |
Jul-29-11 12:06 AM |
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What's outrageous is that you and others keep telling lies |
AlabamaLibrul |
Jul-27-11 06:29 PM |
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THEY. KNOW. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 11:49 PM |
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Maybe he'll be able to get a personal trainer too |
snooper2 |
Jul-28-11 08:52 AM |
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So? |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-26-11 08:20 PM |
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There is more, and we have had few periods of that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-26-11 08:24 PM |
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I wonder how long it will take for the knuckle draggers in the US to be "outraged." |
PSPS |
Jul-26-11 08:21 PM |
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We have a different society and a different culture |
Abq_Sarah |
Jul-27-11 01:29 AM |
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True. Norway is oil rich with a population 1/65th of the USA, an avg age of about 40 mostly related |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 04:26 PM |
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I wonder if they have prison gangs there |
XemaSab |
Jul-27-11 05:20 PM |
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They apparently do, but they appear in the literature mostly as urban non-norwegians |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 05:33 PM |
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When it has been tried here it does work. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-29-11 12:03 AM |
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Norway extremely safe, extremely low recidivism |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-26-11 08:24 PM |
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Thank you, was going to look up the recidivism rate. That makes |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-11 08:32 PM |
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Here, prisons are run and administered in a manner |
hifiguy |
Jul-27-11 04:21 PM |
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"The U.S. has the world’s highest incarceration rate" |
Cali_Democrat |
Jul-27-11 05:21 PM |
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K&R |
FreeState |
Jul-26-11 08:25 PM |
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And, it works. |
stevedeshazer |
Jul-26-11 08:36 PM |
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Yes, even he may not be beyond rehabilitation. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-11 08:43 PM |
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And even if he is, a justice system shouldn't be focused around the most extreme cases anyway. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jul-27-11 04:18 PM |
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I have seen the outtakes from SiCKO on this. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Jul-26-11 08:48 PM |
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That is for NORWAY to be the judge of, and not you or me. |
kestrel91316 |
Jul-26-11 09:36 PM |
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Not telling them what to do, just offering my opinion on rehabilitation |
Ruby the Liberal |
Jul-26-11 09:44 PM |
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Ruby, I'm with you. |
Mimosa |
Jul-27-11 05:27 PM |
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You said it brother! |
Bluebear |
Jul-27-11 03:45 PM |
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This is Norway's system, courtesy of Michael Moore. |
stevedeshazer |
Jul-26-11 08:42 PM |
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Our counter-productive system has roughly a ten thousand year track record of failure. |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-26-11 08:45 PM |
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Almost worth committing a crime to get into it. |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-26-11 08:46 PM |
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If your American yes, if your Norwegian no it's not worth it n/t |
FreeState |
Jul-26-11 08:49 PM |
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Go post this on some right-wing sites, that will get them all lathered up. |
Bluebear |
Jul-26-11 08:50 PM |
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Does the same here - witness the people who still don't get how sentencing works there. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jul-27-11 04:17 PM |
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No, they get it. They're aware of the extensions thing. But spreading the lie helps their agenda. nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:27 PM |
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it looks like a rehab |
sasha031 |
Jul-26-11 09:29 PM |
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Because that is PRECISELY what it is |
tkmorris |
Jul-27-11 05:00 PM |
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No wonder the motherfucker didn't kill himself. |
Union Scribe |
Jul-27-11 01:01 AM |
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I agree that the deprivation of freedom is enough |
treestar |
Jul-27-11 01:03 AM |
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An IKEA prison |
Kingofalldems |
Jul-27-11 03:48 PM |
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Kick and Recommend |
Morizovich |
Jul-27-11 04:05 PM |
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I respect the Norwegian way, but......you have to see this prison pic from the article ---> |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 04:10 PM |
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for contrast - pictures of American Prison |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-27-11 05:03 PM |
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Yikes. |
Mimosa |
Jul-27-11 06:11 PM |
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If a person (incarcerated) is to be freed someday |
SoCalDem |
Jul-27-11 04:15 PM |
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They may want to outsource this one. He may attract groups who would want to spring him. |
kenny blankenship |
Jul-27-11 04:34 PM |
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He's a hero to some, obviously |
War Horse |
Jul-27-11 05:19 PM |
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Yeah, but the real punishment is that they feed you lutefisk |
geardaddy |
Jul-27-11 04:35 PM |
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LOL! |
Mimosa |
Jul-27-11 05:30 PM |
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Inmates are still confined to a pretty small space |
War Horse |
Jul-27-11 04:39 PM |
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Breivik might also not be safe among the general population |
War Horse |
Jul-27-11 04:45 PM |
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better living conditions than many US citizens.... |
GSLevel9 |
Jul-27-11 04:47 PM |
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So murderers of rich people and poor people should be treated differently? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:48 PM |
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You read me too literally |
GSLevel9 |
Jul-27-11 07:05 PM |
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Go tell the Norwegians how wrong-headed they are. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 11:46 PM |
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Okay. So how well does it work? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-11 05:06 PM |
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It seems their general population doesn't generate nearly as many first-time offenders, too |
slackmaster |
Jul-27-11 05:10 PM |
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Don't blame it on diversity. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-11 05:15 PM |
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They're 1/65th of our pop, rich on oil, interrelated and old with a birthrate below sustainability. |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 05:22 PM |
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Why that strange emphasis on "OIL rich"? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:51 PM |
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Nothing wrong with the facts. |
Mimosa |
Jul-27-11 06:14 PM |
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Emphasis is on rich, oil is just the means. The wealth is significant, is cash, and makes a differe |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 06:16 PM |
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So the answer to my question in the message body is ''no''. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 06:19 PM |
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You are incorrect. Wealth from oil is vast and leisurely, tech wealth or even banking is hard work a |
nomb |
Jul-27-11 06:53 PM |
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Lots of other countries in that region have little oil and are still low on crime. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 11:40 PM |
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Your reply confirms that diversity is an issue |
slackmaster |
Jul-27-11 08:53 PM |
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Oooh. Lackluster dodge. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-11 10:33 PM |
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I'm using a more formal definition of diversity rather than the broadly accepted PC one |
slackmaster |
Jul-28-11 08:41 AM |
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"already criminals"? |
EstimatedProphet |
Jul-28-11 11:00 AM |
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Number Two. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:35 PM |
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Uh, that has nothing to do with it. Canada has an extremely diverse society |
shoutinfreud |
Jul-28-11 11:48 PM |
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"Norweigans are safer from criminals because their prison system doesn't manufacture them." |
fishwax |
Jul-27-11 05:12 PM |
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Not to mention their society at large. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 05:46 PM |
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"Prison population total: 3,533 (as of 30.6.2007, including pre-trial detainees, |
slackmaster |
Jul-27-11 05:07 PM |
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seems to work n/t |
fishwax |
Jul-27-11 05:11 PM |
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Good for them. n/t |
Cali_Democrat |
Jul-27-11 05:26 PM |
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Good. A friend of mine is in a medium security prison here, |
Critters2 |
Jul-27-11 06:31 PM |
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There is a balance between this and US prisons. |
NYC Liberal |
Jul-27-11 06:59 PM |
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And they will have less murders and less issues with those prisoners than the US does. |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Jul-27-11 08:57 PM |
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Maybe Norwegians are just nicer than we are |
slackmaster |
Jul-27-11 09:02 PM |
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They are nicer because they are raised nicer. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-27-11 11:44 PM |
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Those prisoners are living better than I am. |
Lucian |
Jul-28-11 02:05 AM |
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Come one over |
misund |
Jul-28-11 03:07 PM |
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I would love to go there. It is a beautiful country and |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-29-11 12:13 AM |
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Good I'm glad to see some countries treat prisoners as humans unlike we do. |
white_wolf |
Jul-28-11 02:29 AM |
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One of the dozens of ironies of this case |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-28-11 08:48 AM |
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Welcome to a nation where reform is MORE important than punishment... |
Fearless |
Jul-29-11 12:09 AM |
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Wouldn't want the poor little mass murderer to feel depressed now, would we? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jul-29-11 12:20 AM |
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Then never go to that awful, awful country. Boycott them. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-29-11 12:34 AM |
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I actually have been there. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jul-29-11 12:51 AM |
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All of the pro-decent treatment replies make me happy! nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-29-11 01:00 AM |
#105 |
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