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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:35 PM
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13. The burden of proof is on the state to prove that he is still a danger to society.
After 21 years, they have to prove this, in order to keep him locked up, and every 5 years thereafter.

Wouldn't a simple "life without parole" sentence be more appropriate in this case?
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  -Norway prisons - private cells, flat screens, mini fridges, windows. Liberal_in_LA  Jul-26-11 08:16 PM   #0 
  - Good for them. A humane society.  sabrina 1   Jul-26-11 08:18 PM   #1 
  - Exactly!  Solly Mack   Jul-26-11 08:49 PM   #22 
  - DoublePlus++ Good!  Agony   Jul-26-11 09:45 PM   #28 
  - NO! We must cause prisoners pain and suffering.  Incitatus   Jul-28-11 02:15 AM   #90 
  - 21 years max for a mass murderer is just unconscionable  bluestateguy   Jul-26-11 08:18 PM   #2 
  - How many times do we have to point to you  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-26-11 08:20 PM   #4 
  - He may face an additional charge- crimes against humanity  malaise   Jul-26-11 08:20 PM   #5 
  - That's max before parole opportunities  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-11 08:21 PM   #6 
  - He will never get out. You are reading the usual  sabrina 1   Jul-26-11 08:21 PM   #8 
  - The burden of proof is on the state to prove that he is still a danger to society.  Nye Bevan   Jul-26-11 08:35 PM   #13 
  - The problem with that sentence is that once it's instituted  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-11 08:40 PM   #15 
  - The Norwegians are adults and seem to be running their country AT LEAST  kestrel91316   Jul-26-11 09:33 PM   #25 
  - Finger-wagging by know-it-all xenocentrics is equally inappropriate.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-27-11 06:27 PM   #74 
     - " xenocentrics "  sudopod   Jul-27-11 06:29 PM   #76 
  - No, I think that's a good system actually.  sabrina 1   Jul-27-11 12:55 AM   #29 
  - I like the idea of the burden of proof for such things being on the state. Can't get outraged. (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-27-11 04:19 PM   #40 
  - I think such proof will be quite easy.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:24 PM   #60 
  - +100000!  Fearless   Jul-29-11 12:06 AM   #99 
  - What's outrageous is that you and others keep telling lies  AlabamaLibrul   Jul-27-11 06:29 PM   #75 
  - THEY. KNOW.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 11:49 PM   #88 
  - Maybe he'll be able to get a personal trainer too  snooper2   Jul-28-11 08:52 AM   #94 
  - So?  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-11 08:20 PM   #3 
  - There is more, and we have had few periods of that  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-26-11 08:24 PM   #10 
  - I wonder how long it will take for the knuckle draggers in the US to be "outraged."  PSPS   Jul-26-11 08:21 PM   #7 
  - We have a different society and a different culture  Abq_Sarah   Jul-27-11 01:29 AM   #32 
     - True. Norway is oil rich with a population 1/65th of the USA, an avg age of about 40 mostly related  nomb   Jul-27-11 04:26 PM   #42 
     - I wonder if they have prison gangs there  XemaSab   Jul-27-11 05:20 PM   #57 
     - They apparently do, but they appear in the literature mostly as urban non-norwegians  nomb   Jul-27-11 05:33 PM   #65 
     - When it has been tried here it does work.  sabrina 1   Jul-29-11 12:03 AM   #98 
  - Norway extremely safe, extremely low recidivism  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-26-11 08:24 PM   #9 
  - Thank you, was going to look up the recidivism rate. That makes  sabrina 1   Jul-26-11 08:32 PM   #12 
  - Here, prisons are run and administered in a manner  hifiguy   Jul-27-11 04:21 PM   #41 
  - "The U.S. has the worlds highest incarceration rate"  Cali_Democrat   Jul-27-11 05:21 PM   #58 
  - K&R  FreeState   Jul-26-11 08:25 PM   #11 
  - And, it works.  stevedeshazer   Jul-26-11 08:36 PM   #14 
  - Yes, even he may not be beyond rehabilitation.  sabrina 1   Jul-26-11 08:43 PM   #17 
  - And even if he is, a justice system shouldn't be focused around the most extreme cases anyway. (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-27-11 04:18 PM   #39 
  - I have seen the outtakes from SiCKO on this.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-26-11 08:48 PM   #20 
  - That is for NORWAY to be the judge of, and not you or me.  kestrel91316   Jul-26-11 09:36 PM   #26 
  - Not telling them what to do, just offering my opinion on rehabilitation  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-26-11 09:44 PM   #27 
  - Ruby, I'm with you.  Mimosa   Jul-27-11 05:27 PM   #63 
  - You said it brother!  Bluebear   Jul-27-11 03:45 PM   #33 
  - This is Norway's system, courtesy of Michael Moore.  stevedeshazer   Jul-26-11 08:42 PM   #16 
  - Our counter-productive system has roughly a ten thousand year track record of failure.  TheKentuckian   Jul-26-11 08:45 PM   #18 
  - Almost worth committing a crime to get into it.  FLPanhandle   Jul-26-11 08:46 PM   #19 
  - If your American yes, if your Norwegian no it's not worth it n/t  FreeState   Jul-26-11 08:49 PM   #21 
  - Go post this on some right-wing sites, that will get them all lathered up.  Bluebear   Jul-26-11 08:50 PM   #23 
  - Does the same here - witness the people who still don't get how sentencing works there. (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-27-11 04:17 PM   #38 
     - No, they get it. They're aware of the extensions thing. But spreading the lie helps their agenda. nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:27 PM   #62 
  - it looks like a rehab  sasha031   Jul-26-11 09:29 PM   #24 
  - Because that is PRECISELY what it is  tkmorris   Jul-27-11 05:00 PM   #48 
  - No wonder the motherfucker didn't kill himself.  Union Scribe   Jul-27-11 01:01 AM   #30 
  - I agree that the deprivation of freedom is enough  treestar   Jul-27-11 01:03 AM   #31 
  - An IKEA prison  Kingofalldems   Jul-27-11 03:48 PM   #34 
  - Kick and Recommend  Morizovich   Jul-27-11 04:05 PM   #35 
  - I respect the Norwegian way, have to see this prison pic from the article --->  nomb   Jul-27-11 04:10 PM   #36 
  - for contrast - pictures of American Prison  Liberal_in_LA   Jul-27-11 05:03 PM   #49 
     - Yikes.  Mimosa   Jul-27-11 06:11 PM   #70 
  - If a person (incarcerated) is to be freed someday  SoCalDem   Jul-27-11 04:15 PM   #37 
  - They may want to outsource this one. He may attract groups who would want to spring him.  kenny blankenship   Jul-27-11 04:34 PM   #43 
  - He's a hero to some, obviously  War Horse   Jul-27-11 05:19 PM   #56 
  - Yeah, but the real punishment is that they feed you lutefisk  geardaddy   Jul-27-11 04:35 PM   #44 
  - LOL!  Mimosa   Jul-27-11 05:30 PM   #64 
  - Inmates are still confined to a pretty small space  War Horse   Jul-27-11 04:39 PM   #45 
  - Breivik might also not be safe among the general population  War Horse   Jul-27-11 04:45 PM   #46 
  - better living conditions than many US citizens....  GSLevel9   Jul-27-11 04:47 PM   #47 
  - So murderers of rich people and poor people should be treated differently?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:48 PM   #68 
     - You read me too literally  GSLevel9   Jul-27-11 07:05 PM   #80 
        - Go tell the Norwegians how wrong-headed they are.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 11:46 PM   #87 
  - Okay. So how well does it work?  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-11 05:06 PM   #50 
  - It seems their general population doesn't generate nearly as many first-time offenders, too  slackmaster   Jul-27-11 05:10 PM   #52 
  - Don't blame it on diversity.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-11 05:15 PM   #55 
  - They're 1/65th of our pop, rich on oil, interrelated and old with a birthrate below sustainability.  nomb   Jul-27-11 05:22 PM   #59 
  - Why that strange emphasis on "OIL rich"?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:51 PM   #69 
     - Nothing wrong with the facts.  Mimosa   Jul-27-11 06:14 PM   #71 
     - Emphasis is on rich, oil is just the means. The wealth is significant, is cash, and makes a differe  nomb   Jul-27-11 06:16 PM   #72 
        - So the answer to my question in the message body is ''no''.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 06:19 PM   #73 
           - You are incorrect. Wealth from oil is vast and leisurely, tech wealth or even banking is hard work a  nomb   Jul-27-11 06:53 PM   #78 
              - Lots of other countries in that region have little oil and are still low on crime.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 11:40 PM   #85 
  - Your reply confirms that diversity is an issue  slackmaster   Jul-27-11 08:53 PM   #81 
     - Oooh. Lackluster dodge.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-11 10:33 PM   #84 
     - I'm using a more formal definition of diversity rather than the broadly accepted PC one  slackmaster   Jul-28-11 08:41 AM   #92 
     - "already criminals"?  EstimatedProphet   Jul-28-11 11:00 AM   #95 
  - Number Two.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:35 PM   #66 
  - Uh, that has nothing to do with it. Canada has an extremely diverse society  shoutinfreud   Jul-28-11 11:48 PM   #97 
  - "Norweigans are safer from criminals because their prison system doesn't manufacture them."  fishwax   Jul-27-11 05:12 PM   #54 
     - Not to mention their society at large.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 05:46 PM   #67 
  - "Prison population total: 3,533 (as of 30.6.2007, including pre-trial detainees,  slackmaster   Jul-27-11 05:07 PM   #51 
  - seems to work n/t  fishwax   Jul-27-11 05:11 PM   #53 
  - Good for them. n/t  Cali_Democrat   Jul-27-11 05:26 PM   #61 
  - Good. A friend of mine is in a medium security prison here,  Critters2   Jul-27-11 06:31 PM   #77 
  - There is a balance between this and US prisons.  NYC Liberal   Jul-27-11 06:59 PM   #79 
  - And they will have less murders and less issues with those prisoners than the US does.  YellowRubberDuckie   Jul-27-11 08:57 PM   #82 
  - Maybe Norwegians are just nicer than we are  slackmaster   Jul-27-11 09:02 PM   #83 
     - They are nicer because they are raised nicer.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-27-11 11:44 PM   #86 
  - Those prisoners are living better than I am.  Lucian   Jul-28-11 02:05 AM   #89 
  - Come one over  misund   Jul-28-11 03:07 PM   #96 
     - I would love to go there. It is a beautiful country and  sabrina 1   Jul-29-11 12:13 AM   #101 
  - Good I'm glad to see some countries treat prisoners as humans unlike we do.  white_wolf   Jul-28-11 02:29 AM   #91 
  - One of the dozens of ironies of this case  Blue_Tires   Jul-28-11 08:48 AM   #93 
  - Welcome to a nation where reform is MORE important than punishment...  Fearless   Jul-29-11 12:09 AM   #100 
  - Wouldn't want the poor little mass murderer to feel depressed now, would we?  Starbucks Anarchist   Jul-29-11 12:20 AM   #102 
  - Then never go to that awful, awful country. Boycott them.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-29-11 12:34 AM   #103 
     - I actually have been there.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jul-29-11 12:51 AM   #104 
  - All of the pro-decent treatment replies make me happy! nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-29-11 01:00 AM   #105 

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