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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #43
50. "forever blur the differences"
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:17 PM by LoZoccolo
Oh come on. Part of the reason we're in this mess - according to some - is because progressives protested and sat out the 2010 election in order to shake off some blue dogs (which were elected by other Democrats in the primary, by the way, or at least not challenged). I don't believe that, but they used to like to claim that. And don't tell me that the blue dogs voted like the Republicans unless you can name one that did - otherwise I have no reason that you actually looked it up. Also, 80% of the remaining blue dogs voted against the Cut, Cap, and Balance bill, against the Republicans. Every blue dog had a significant partisan voting record, but if you want to name one that didn't, and go on to name five bills where they voted against the Republicans which still aren't important to you, then I will believe that you actually researched this claim that they are not better than the Republicans to you (this information is not difficult to find by the way, and I'll give you a hint that a major newspaper has already compiled it for you at their website).

Do you realize that Obama actually committed more money to the stimulus than the New Deal, even adjusted for inflation? Did you actually know that? Do you really think that he wouldn't reverse some of this damage that the Republicans are inflicting if he didn't have to work with a Republican-dominated House of Representatives, when he has shown in the first two years that he is willing to increase spending when he is in a position to do so?
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  -If Obama does do a deal with the 'Pugs, he needs to withdraw from the re-election campaign Ken Burch  Jul-25-11 10:27 PM   #0 
  - OBAMA BAD OBAMA BAD OBAMA BAD. We get it.  TheWraith   Jul-25-11 10:29 PM   #1 
  - How can you possibly still trust the guy?  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:31 PM   #3 
  - You're not on our side  Doctor Hurt   Jul-25-11 10:33 PM   #8 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:35 PM   #14 
  - Because my opinions are determined by FACTS, not paranoia and faith.  TheWraith   Jul-25-11 10:35 PM   #13 
  - There wasn't a fight if those bills were all we got.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:39 PM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:43 PM   #25 
     - Thank you -- and ...  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:21 PM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:38 PM   #16 
     - FDR never did any major caves to the 'pugs.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:52 PM   #33 
     - No, never . . .  EffieBlack   Jul-27-11 05:02 PM   #74 
        - That's one thing compared to the four massive caves  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 05:35 PM   #79 
           - Ah - moving the goalposts . . .  EffieBlack   Jul-27-11 07:03 PM   #89 
     - FDR didn't adopt the opposition's agenda -- he knew who the opposition was ....  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:23 PM   #56 
  - Ken Burch: leading the charge  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 10:33 PM   #9 
     - I don't do anything more than you do  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:34 PM   #12 
        - I don't think I try to provoke mass movements and catastrophic change.  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 10:37 PM   #15 
        - What's wrong with mass movements?  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:44 PM   #27 
           - True. Movement politics is our only chance.  mmonk   Jul-25-11 10:52 PM   #31 
           - I know what's wrong with /your/ mass movements.  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 10:54 PM   #35 
           - You just try to stop what I try to start  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:58 PM   #41 
              - I don't think I even respond to half your threads anymore.  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 11:01 PM   # 
                 - I just try to put ideas out.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 11:09 PM   #49 
                    - "The cuts that will be made in any deal with Congress will never be restored."  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 11:14 PM   #51 
           - "And nothing I've ever proposed would lead to 'catastrophic change'."  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 10:56 PM   #38 
              - Making any deal the Tea Party would accept would also be catastrophic change  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 11:01 PM   #43 
                 - "forever blur the differences"  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 11:11 PM   #50 
                 - "according to some?" No, we KNOW that's why we lost the  Fire1   Jul-27-11 04:41 PM   #65 
                    - How do you know that? n/t  LoZoccolo   Jul-27-11 05:01 PM   #73 
                       - Do you have a better explanation? I'd like to read it. n/t  Fire1   Jul-27-11 06:36 PM   #85 
                          - They were in close districts in red states?  LoZoccolo   Jul-27-11 07:40 PM   #91 
                 - P.S. The Tea Party is probably the #1 proponent of defaulting. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jul-25-11 11:16 PM   #52 
                    - All Obama has to do is use the 14th Amendment  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 04:29 PM   #63 
        - Well, yes you do. You post more than just one liner flamebait  tnlefty   Jul-27-11 04:35 PM   #64 
           - There's that.  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 07:01 PM   #88 
  - No matter which direction he goes, he will be the Democratic nominee.  phleshdef   Jul-25-11 10:30 PM   #2 
  - I don't think so .... not after all he has done -- it's over --  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:25 PM   #57 
  - Obama will win reelection.  BeFree   Jul-25-11 10:31 PM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:33 PM   #6 
  - He already has. The tax cut deal has brought us to this point.  mmonk   Jul-25-11 10:32 PM   #5 
  - You're right.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:34 PM   #11 
  - Exactly -- Obama wrenched the budget with $120 BILLION extended tax cuts for rich...  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:28 PM   #58 
  - I have an equally intelligent point to make:  Doctor Hurt   Jul-25-11 10:33 PM   #7 
  - OK, I get it. All you care about is having somebody who SAYS he's a Dem  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:48 PM   #29 
  - HA!!! Ow! My sides!!!  Number23   Jul-28-11 12:52 AM   #101 
  - Name please?  cottonseed   Jul-25-11 10:33 PM   #10 
  - Geezus! He has to deal with the friggin House. It is the way our government works. What a ridiculous  Pirate Smile   Jul-25-11 10:39 PM   #17 
  - A couple of court appointments can't be worth accepting the end of the New Deal  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:51 PM   #30 
     - What you are proposing will get the Scott Walker treatment done to the entire country.  Pirate Smile   Jul-25-11 10:56 PM   #40 
        - That's what will happen in any deal as well.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 11:02 PM   #46 
        - We should have been smarter than to elect Obama ....  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:30 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:40 PM   #19 
  - Unfortunately, most of what we have feared re Obama has actually happened ... !!  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:31 PM   #60 
  - FAIL.  Lil Missy   Jul-25-11 10:40 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:41 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-11 10:43 PM   #24 
  - Sometimes I get the feeling that people claiming to be "progressive" have the same goals as McConnel  Renew Deal   Jul-25-11 10:42 PM   #22 
  - You and I both. Nt  DevonRex   Jul-25-11 10:43 PM   #23 
  - It certainly seems like it.  Pirate Smile   Jul-25-11 10:55 PM   #37 
  - And sometimes I think that people who are OK with  socialist_n_TN   Jul-27-11 06:51 PM   #86 
  - And sometimes I think Obama has the same goals as McConnell  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 07:13 PM   #90 
     - I can't disagree at all with you Ken  socialist_n_TN   Jul-27-11 07:42 PM   #92 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Jul-27-11 08:20 PM   #93 
  - apparently you need him to.  onenote   Jul-25-11 10:44 PM   #26 
  - HULK SMASH  killbotfactory   Jul-25-11 10:47 PM   #28 
  - I want a "savior" if I don't accept that a Democratic president has to cooperate  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:54 PM   #36 
     - Ah ... add that to the list intended to stall and distract from criticism of Obama ... !!  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:33 PM   #61 
  - Agreed. Destroying our social safety net makes him as good as a Republican.  Fearless   Jul-25-11 10:52 PM   #32 
  - Thank you.  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 10:54 PM   #34 
     - Agreed. n/t  Fearless   Jul-25-11 11:02 PM   #44 
  - unrecc'd by the "no move rightward is *too far rightward* for *my* liberal!" crowd  villager   Jul-25-11 10:56 PM   #39 
  - What an Idiotic Idea  Indykatie   Jul-25-11 10:59 PM   #42 
  - We could win with a people's candidate who presented him or herself  Ken Burch   Jul-25-11 11:04 PM   #47 
  - And most of us are not going to vote for him/her, whoever. n/t  Fire1   Jul-27-11 04:47 PM   #66 
  - You wouldn't vote for a candidate who fought for the people?  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 05:34 PM   #78 
     - Not nearly as depressing as what I've read in this thread. n/t  Fire1   Jul-27-11 05:58 PM   #82 
  - Dream on  treestar   Jul-27-11 04:51 PM   #68 
     - And convincing those people IS a fight  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 05:30 PM   #76 
        - The left has not done a very good job  treestar   Jul-28-11 12:21 AM   #100 
           - Would you kindly avoid speaking of "the left" and "Americans" as though they're separate groups?  Ken Burch   Jul-28-11 12:57 AM   #102 
              - Where do you get that?  treestar   Jul-28-11 11:21 AM   #105 
                 - I got that because you wrote "Leftists" and "Americans" as if the two never intersected  Ken Burch   Jul-28-11 03:12 PM   #106 
  - A liberal -- Obama is a corporatist --  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:18 PM   #54 
  - How about a candidate that stands for all of those  socialist_n_TN   Jul-27-11 06:55 PM   #87 
  - And then what? The nation that voted in a teabag House is going to vote..  TreasonousBastard   Jul-25-11 11:02 PM   #45 
  - +1  treestar   Jul-27-11 04:51 PM   #69 
  - They didn't vote for teabaggers, they voted for JOBS.  EFerrari   Jul-27-11 06:07 PM   #84 
     - Thery're sure not going to vote for someone to the left of someone they think failed...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-27-11 09:37 PM   #94 
        - It's not about left and right for those voters.  EFerrari   Jul-27-11 10:14 PM   #97 
  - Agree -- damage will have been done ... and DEM PARTY didn't stop him ... !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:07 PM   #48 
  - Wait ... how many deals has Obama ALREADY WORKED OUT "with forces of evil?"  defendandprotect   Jul-25-11 11:17 PM   #53 
  - I agree Ken Burch and defendandprotect  libmom74   Jul-25-11 11:45 PM   #62 
  - Obama! Obama! Ooobaamaa! :)  Tx4obama   Jul-27-11 05:36 PM   #80 
  - He won't  treestar   Jul-27-11 04:49 PM   #67 
  - I am sure he will take that advice...  DCBob   Jul-27-11 04:53 PM   #70 
  - So Obama can't make any deal that stops a default?  JoePhilly   Jul-27-11 04:55 PM   #71 
  - Soc Sec should not be a part of any deal...but OBAMA put it on the table.  SugarShack   Jul-27-11 11:18 PM   #99 
  - OBAMA IS A BAD MAN!!!  one_voice   Jul-27-11 04:59 PM   #72 
  - It was your "it's enough to elect somebody who calls himself a Democrat"  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 05:38 PM   #81 
     - Be sure not to break your neck coming down..  one_voice   Jul-27-11 05:58 PM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-11 05:11 PM   #75 
  - They don't get it that Obama is going to bring the "misery index" back  Ken Burch   Jul-27-11 05:33 PM   #77 
  - Oh. Horse. Shit.  Rosco T.   Jul-27-11 09:38 PM   #95 
  - kick for the truth....n/t  unkachuck   Jul-27-11 10:09 PM   #96 
  - Thanks. This whole thread is illustrating the great line Abe Ribicoff had  Ken Burch   Jul-28-11 01:55 AM   #104 
  - And the name of this "real Democrat" is?  Recovered Repug   Jul-27-11 11:01 PM   #98 
  - Anyone that is willing to get out there and fight and be proud of what we stand for  Ken Burch   Jul-28-11 01:53 AM   #103 
  - We OBVIOUSLY need a "D" in the Oval Office for MORE than just one more term, IMO.  Urban Prairie   Jul-28-11 03:42 PM   #107 

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