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16. With all due respect, I beg to differ --
there have been alot of us unemployed out here!

In 12/10, Obama was responding very much in the moment. Personally, if anyone thinks he was exaggerating THEN about Repukes holding America hostage, well I've a fake debt ceiling crisis I'd like to sell ya...
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  -Oh WTF now....is Harry Reid SERIOUSLY considering a deal W/ NO NEW REVENUE? tpsbmam  Jul-25-11 12:44 PM   #0 
  - Just Reid "keeping the powder dry"  ixion   Jul-25-11 12:56 PM   #1 
  - No surprise. This could have been seen from a mile away.  no limit   Jul-25-11 12:57 PM   #2 
  - This is the best deal that the Dems can get now.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-25-11 12:57 PM   #3 
  - This three dimensional chess is a shitty game. What was wrong with the old-school kind?  nomb   Jul-25-11 12:59 PM   # 
  - Election Results of 2010 put Right Wing Extremists in Control of The House.  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:11 PM   #11 
     - We did not, we do not and we will not have the votes.  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 01:54 PM   #29 
        - Our problem before is we had the votes in the House, but we had a "fake majority" in the Senate  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 02:03 PM   #37 
           - Well then the wingers don't have those majorities now, right?  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 02:04 PM   #40 
           - Rigid ideologues control the House now. They will not compromise. Any bill has to pass the house.  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 05:01 PM   #50 
           - And Obama called them out, by name, almost daily. He pointed this out in the same way you just did.  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 02:14 PM   #44 
              - He did do a fair amount of calling them out, especially at the town halls. Media did not like when  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 05:08 PM   #51 
                 - I knew we would have a good excuse for him not calling them out by name.  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 05:57 PM   #54 
                 - The "standing up" thing was a serious question.  emulatorloo   Jul-26-11 03:54 PM   #57 
                 - Show us the Links where Obama called out, say, Max Baccus, by name.  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 07:18 PM   #55 
                    - Max Baucus is a Democrat. Obama called out Republicans. And don't put words in my mouth.  emulatorloo   Jul-26-11 03:57 PM   #58 
  - In that case the party is finished  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 01:00 PM   #6 
  - Right now we have to protect SS, medicare and medicaid from cuts  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:04 PM   #9 
     - I agree that is critical.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-25-11 01:47 PM   #24 
        - Pretty scary Reid is the great defender of these programs! He's not the most forceful fellow  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:53 PM   #26 
  - do you even need to ask?  librechik   Jul-25-11 12:59 PM   #4 
  - How can you get this teabag house to pass a bill that includes revenue increases?  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:51 PM   #25 
     - Revenue increases=luxury loopholes for millionaires and oil execs  librechik   Jul-25-11 02:36 PM   #48 
  - Can you tell us what the cuts are comprised of?  JoePhilly   Jul-25-11 12:59 PM   #5 
  - 1. Reid's plan does not touch entitlements 2. REALITY: Republican House will never pass Tax Increas  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:01 PM   #7 
  - Then we should never pass cuts in help for poor & elderly  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 01:06 PM   #10 
     - How do we get past a House controlled by fanatics? They see the same polls we do that people want  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:16 PM   #13 
        - By not giving in to them  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 01:30 PM   #22 
           - What does "standing up" mean to you? (this is a serious question, I am struggling with this)  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:44 PM   #23 
           - This:  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 02:02 PM   #35 
           - Wasn't the high ground on the Bush Tax Cuts lost when they were extended? (nt)  Make7   Jul-25-11 02:14 PM   #43 
              - We did not, we do not and we will not have the votes to stop the extensions.  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 02:22 PM   #45 
              - Also easily dispatched  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 02:25 PM   #46 
           - Never putting the big 3 on the table to start with? Insisting that ALL cuts be in war spending?  Dr Fate   Jul-25-11 02:06 PM   # 
           - Standing up is not worth a world-wide depression.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-25-11 01:53 PM   #27 
              - Neither is giving in to terrorists  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 01:57 PM   #32 
              - So we give in to the terrorists, then run in 2012 on a "raise taxes" platform  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 02:06 PM   #42 
                 - You have a better plan?  Big Blue Marble   Jul-25-11 05:17 PM   #52 
  - Apparently, there are no entitlement cuts so atleast we have something to cheer about  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:03 PM   #8 
  - Hurray? Obama should never had agreed to the 2010 budget deal.  LonePirate   Jul-25-11 01:12 PM   #12 
     - I agree with you 100%. This still sucks.  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:18 PM   #14 
     - It does suck. I gotta tell you I don't know what the endgame is going to be. And it scares the crap  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:26 PM   #20 
        - Even if teabaggers all vote no, I think it could still pass if everyone else votes "yes"  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:54 PM   #30 
           - I think you may be right  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:58 PM   #33 
     - The problem with that is taxes would have gone up on everybody, not just the upper class.  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:19 PM   #15 
     - That would have been OK with me. The ensuing deficit reduction would have weakened the Repubs.  LonePirate   Jul-25-11 01:53 PM   #28 
     - With all due respect, I beg to differ --  Ship of Fools   Jul-25-11 01:23 PM   #16 
        - I think the political pressure of passing Unemployment would have forced GOp to cave  jtown1123   Jul-25-11 01:55 PM   #31 
           - Now that I think about it, actually ...  Ship of Fools   Jul-25-11 02:03 PM   #36 
  - As usual, the people get screwed by the rich and the politicians.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-25-11 01:23 PM   #17 
  - but it's not cutting Medicare or Social Security that will be the talking point.  WI_DEM   Jul-25-11 01:24 PM   #18 
  - Well it doesn't touch SS or Medicare. That's not a "talking point". That's what's in Reid's plan.  emulatorloo   Jul-25-11 01:29 PM   #21 
  - Let's be honest here  maxrandb   Jul-25-11 01:26 PM   #19 
  - And then they can re-introduce tax cuts for those below $250,000.  Make7   Jul-25-11 03:06 PM   #49 
  - This is the same kind of crap they shoved down our throats in California  KamaAina   Jul-25-11 02:02 PM   #34 
  - We probably can, but it will require more than petitions and phone calls  Doctor_J   Jul-25-11 02:04 PM   #38 
  - 1) hands off SS. 2) no extension of Bush tax cuts. 3) end the wars.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-25-11 02:04 PM   #39 
  - Apparently so. It's Changelicious.  blkmusclmachine   Jul-25-11 02:06 PM   #41 
  - Reid's proposal will do the least amount of damage out of everything in the realm of passable.  phleshdef   Jul-25-11 02:27 PM   #47 
     - You are absolutely right on all points.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-25-11 05:18 PM   #53 
     - Least amount of damage to whom?  Doctor_J   Jul-26-11 09:32 AM   #56 
 

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