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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:36 AM
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51. It's based on the unfounded bigotry that religion is "good"
and thus, anything "bad" can't possibly be springing from the belief. It's a form of moral aristocracy that's widely accepted: a person who's devout is obviously good, and by inference better than outsiders.

Nuance is the enemy of certainty and simplicity, and many believers consider even the mention of such a thing to be a direct threat. Having one's superiority and right to dominance questioned is persecution.

Obviously, many believers understand the dangers of such thought and don't subscribe to it, but many others demand to be considered automatically "good" and "better" regardless of actions, and to be absolved of any actions of those of the faith that aren't up to snuff.

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  -I keep hearing about how anders breivik isn't a "true" Christian Search and Destroy  Jul-24-11 12:24 AM   #0 
  - Here it is, in a nutshell:  Warren DeMontague   Jul-24-11 12:28 AM   #1 
  - So there's no such thing as a "True Liberal"? LOL! So many DU'ers fling the words DINO around.  KittyWampus   Jul-25-11 09:29 AM   #71 
     - No, there isn't.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-25-11 06:36 PM   #88 
        - +1  hifiguy   Jul-27-11 02:21 PM   #129 
  - Don't they always say that?  mindwalker_i   Jul-24-11 12:30 AM   #2 
  - People say anything to protect the Right.. To think a person  OHdem10   Jul-24-11 12:31 AM   #3 
  - Makes sense to me. Christians have a violent history and have destroyed many cultures...  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 12:35 AM   #4 
  - oh for fuck's sake. If you said anything similar about Islam here, you'd be jumped on for being a  cali   Jul-24-11 03:20 AM   #11 
  - I have nothing against anyone's religion....  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 03:30 AM   #14 
  - Oh bullshit, you don't practice any fucking form of religious tolerance.  cali   Jul-24-11 03:53 AM   #19 
  - And your opinion is because...?  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 04:19 AM   #21 
     - Who forced you to go to Catholic church?  Mimosa   Jul-24-11 04:49 AM   #24 
        - You mean DELUDED People often shape their religions to suit their needs. (nt)  mr blur   Jul-24-11 06:37 AM   #29 
        - Christianity, Islam, and Judaism were created by man to suit our species' needs  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 01:24 PM   #35 
           - So was Wicca.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-24-11 11:47 PM   #42 
           - And you feel this is something that is a revelation to me?  Ferret Annica   Jul-25-11 04:57 AM   #55 
              - It very well may be.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-25-11 05:10 AM   #58 
                 - Indeed; believe what yoi want, discuss what you want,  Ferret Annica   Jul-25-11 05:38 AM   #59 
                    - Nor am I threatened by your views or illogical remarks.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-25-11 05:41 AM   #61 
                       - There is that little old ad hominem thing again...  Ferret Annica   Jul-25-11 06:04 AM   #62 
                          - Your posts are sorely lacking.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-25-11 11:56 AM   #83 
                             - Excellent.  Wait Wut   Jul-27-11 09:07 AM   #127 
           - "species"? Absolutely not. Particular human cultures out of thousands. nt  greyl   Jul-26-11 02:20 AM   #102 
        - I distinctly remember rejecting Christian religion at a very early age.  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 01:22 PM   #34 
           - all good except the cetaceans  SwampG8r   Jul-25-11 09:28 AM   #70 
              - I hope you were kidding about your last sentence  Angry Dragon   Jul-26-11 02:47 AM   #104 
                 - yes a common florida waterjoke  SwampG8r   Jul-26-11 06:37 PM   #117 
  - My problem is with all religion...  backscatter712   Jul-24-11 03:58 AM   #20 
  - You do realize "Israel" is not a religion, right?  Behind the Aegis   Jul-24-11 05:15 AM   #25 
  - You do realize that not supporting Zionism is not anti-Semitism I hope.  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 01:36 PM   #37 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-24-11 11:46 PM   #41 
     - Irrelevant nonsense. And doesn't answer the question.  Behind the Aegis   Jul-25-11 11:44 AM   #80 
  - As a former Wiccan...  Wait Wut   Jul-26-11 06:53 PM   #124 
  - thank you nt  WolverineDG   Jul-24-11 09:08 AM   #33 
  - Don't be offended if I ask you to name which "cultures" have been destroyed.  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-24-11 03:26 AM   #13 
     - The Spanish had what is called 'the requirement'  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 03:47 AM   # 
     - double  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 03:47 AM   #16 
     - double  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 03:47 AM   # 
     - double  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 03:47 AM   #17 
  - The bigger question is this:  FourScore   Jul-24-11 12:40 AM   #5 
  - They're just using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.  sakabatou   Jul-24-11 12:47 AM   #6 
  - +1000  Blue_Tires   Jul-25-11 11:03 AM   #77 
  - Well, if to be a "true" Xtian one must follow the rules, he pretty much screwed the pooch  MADem   Jul-24-11 12:54 AM   #7 
  - You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. James 2:19  bluesbassman   Jul-24-11 12:57 AM   #8 
  - was he a true christian? only god can judge  SwampG8r   Jul-24-11 01:16 AM   #9 
  - I think what people are saying when they say that is that he isn't representative of Christianity an  cali   Jul-24-11 03:17 AM   #10 
  - I think that's a good interpretation  Union Scribe   Jul-24-11 06:32 AM   #28 
  - K&R  AlabamaLibrul   Jul-24-11 03:25 AM   #12 
  - So the gist of your post is an attempt to tie him to "true" Christians?  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-24-11 03:35 AM   #15 
  - This guy was no Christian  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 04:33 AM   #23 
  - No, the gist of my post is that there is no such thing as a "true" christian  Search and Destroy   Jul-25-11 02:25 AM   #46 
  - Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.  Kennah   Jul-24-11 03:49 AM   #18 
  - interesting quote:  Ferret Annica   Jul-24-11 04:31 AM   #22 
  - He certainly wasn't a true Scotsman.  U4ikLefty   Jul-24-11 06:08 AM   #26 
  - !  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:43 PM   #118 
  - You are Christian if you say you are .... there are NO other requirements  divvy   Jul-24-11 06:21 AM   #27 
  - I disagree and I'll tell you why...  noel711   Jul-24-11 07:18 AM   #30 
  - Sorry, but your argument is limited to Orthodoxy  divvy   Jul-25-11 03:48 AM   #52 
  - Go ahead, speak for pentecostals..  noel711   Jul-25-11 05:40 AM   #60 
     - Lets try the acid test which is more to my point.....  divvy   Jul-25-11 10:41 AM   #75 
  - duplicate  divvy   Jul-25-11 03:48 AM   #53 
  - "to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ in word and deed" -- UGH  Arugula Latte   Jul-25-11 07:26 PM   #91 
  - Not quite. And CERTAINLY not in Roman Catholic Christianity.  WinkyDink   Jul-25-11 06:28 AM   #63 
  - If he had self-identified as a Liberal Progressive American Democrat....  hlthe2b   Jul-24-11 08:17 AM   #31 
  - Well said. Thank you. nt  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:44 PM   #119 
  - Christians don't kill people...nt  SidDithers   Jul-24-11 09:04 AM   #32 
  - They have done so throughout history, and still do /nt  Bragi   Jul-25-11 06:33 AM   #65 
  - Hmm, tell that to the victims of the Inquisition & the Crusades & Salem witchhunt  Arugula Latte   Jul-25-11 07:31 PM   #92 
  - Well, at least they aren't trying to make an Atheist out of him.  BiggJawn   Jul-24-11 01:35 PM   #36 
  - The way I see it - he was a Christian. So was MLK  Taverner   Jul-24-11 01:37 PM   #38 
  - He was a CINO. Kinda missed the parts about "Thou shalt not kill" and  kestrel91316   Jul-24-11 01:51 PM   #39 
  - Eh, I would say that tarring with a wide brush is a time-honored tradition of humans..  Fumesucker   Jul-24-11 11:59 PM   #43 
  - But he totally got "I came not to bring peace but the sword."  LeftyMom   Jul-25-11 02:33 AM   #47 
  - Sinning does NOT make you not a christian anymore  Search and Destroy   Jul-25-11 02:47 AM   #50 
  - You can call yourself a turnip.. does not make you a turnip  Peacetrain   Jul-24-11 02:02 PM   #40 
  - comparing apples and oranges a bit, I think  upi402   Jul-25-11 12:00 AM   #44 
  - That would mean that in two thousand years of Christianity there were almost no actual Christians.  LeftyMom   Jul-25-11 02:36 AM   #48 
  - You finally understand and did not need to ingest that famous haggis  Peacetrain   Jul-25-11 05:05 AM   #56 
     - Oh for pity's sake.  LeftyMom   Jul-25-11 08:05 AM   #67 
     - Oh I get it...you get to define what a Christian is  Peacetrain   Jul-25-11 08:39 AM   #69 
     - your perception of what a Christian is  Bluerthanblue   Jul-25-11 10:15 AM   #74 
     - You know the rest of us read you guys' rule book too, right?  LeftyMom   Jul-25-11 11:11 AM   #79 
     - he is right its from jesus own lips  SwampG8r   Jul-25-11 09:47 AM   #73 
     - No, Peace Train is exactly right.  dawg   Jul-26-11 06:46 AM   #109 
     - Christianity is not a religion  Angry Dragon   Jul-26-11 03:08 AM   #105 
     - Christians themselves don't even agree on the "two great laws."  trotsky   Jul-26-11 07:26 AM   #113 
  - Killing 90 people could make you a Christian.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-27-11 04:35 PM   #131 
  - It is easier to distance oneself from the actions of others  Cerridwen   Jul-25-11 12:03 AM   #45 
  - I am kind of sick of hearing this defensive measure  fujiyama   Jul-25-11 02:37 AM   #49 
  - It's based on the unfounded bigotry that religion is "good"  PurityOfEssence   Jul-25-11 03:36 AM   #51 
  - Breivik HIMSELF says that he's not very religious  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-25-11 03:56 AM   #54 
  - Interesting. I hadn't read this. Thanks. nt  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:45 PM   #120 
  - His multiple acts of murder are inconsistent with the version of Christianity that I was taught  slackmaster   Jul-25-11 05:05 AM   #57 
  - One can be a Christian while breaking its tenets, just as one can be a Democrat who......  WinkyDink   Jul-25-11 06:31 AM   #64 
  - Yup, I've started using the phrase "No True Democrat" when this nonsense crops up.  KittyWampus   Jul-25-11 09:30 AM   #72 
     - +1 nt  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:46 PM   #121 
  - The problem isn't "insufficient religiousity" it's religion itself /nt  Bragi   Jul-25-11 06:35 AM   #66 
  - I believe the argument is predicated on the perception  LanternWaste   Jul-25-11 08:26 AM   #68 
  - Was Joe Lieberman a "true" Democrat?  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-25-11 10:42 AM   #76 
  - Apparently so. nt  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:46 PM   #122 
  - He's a feminized mama's boy, by his own admission, is what I've heard.  Octafish   Jul-25-11 11:10 AM   #78 
  - "No True Scotsman"  KamaAina   Jul-25-11 11:51 AM   #81 
  - You nailed it.  AlinPA   Jul-25-11 12:05 PM   #87 
  - Hitler wasn't, either  KamaAina   Jul-25-11 11:52 AM   #82 
  - Give it up, already!  timtom   Jul-25-11 11:56 AM   #84 
  - Many folks who say they are 'christians' really are following what paul did  LynneSin   Jul-25-11 12:01 PM   #85 
  - Agreed  Taverner   Jul-25-11 12:02 PM   #86 
  - I'm actually an alien who hails from the Pegasi sysytem. It's true because I said so.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-25-11 06:52 PM   #89 
  - I get SO tired of hearing that phrase...  krabigirl   Jul-25-11 06:53 PM   #90 
  - I never met a "True Christian".  RagAss   Jul-25-11 07:34 PM   #93 
  - No more that Mohammed Atta was representative of "true Muslims".  11 Bravo   Jul-25-11 07:35 PM   #94 
  - Atta had people with him, directing him and following him - and when he was done he was hero to many  nomb   Jul-25-11 07:44 PM   #96 
  - i haven't heard anyone say he wasn't a "true" christian  pitohui   Jul-25-11 07:37 PM   #95 
  - bill o'reilly said today  Angry Dragon   Jul-26-11 03:21 AM   #106 
  - Are you a Marxist if you believe Karl Marx existed?  JackRiddler   Jul-25-11 08:22 PM   #97 
  - No, because Marxism isn't based around the belief that Marx is the son of God  Search and Destroy   Jul-25-11 09:39 PM   #98 
     - Now I understand your username...  JackRiddler   Jul-25-11 10:19 PM   #99 
     - "Amen"  Demeter   Jul-25-11 10:53 PM   #100 
        - Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem.  txlibdem   Jul-26-11 08:52 AM   #115 
     - But surely you don't think a business owner ...  dawg   Jul-26-11 06:52 AM   #110 
        - I don't think the 9-11 bombers were true Muslims either.  dawg   Jul-26-11 06:54 AM   #111 
        - Does sinning automatically make one not a christian?  Search and Destroy   Jul-26-11 03:45 PM   #116 
  - well, even Sam Harris didn't think so  Duppers   Jul-26-11 01:27 AM   #101 
  - Interesting! nt  greyl   Jul-26-11 02:24 AM   #103 
  - This is an enjoyable thread ..............  Angry Dragon   Jul-26-11 03:26 AM   #107 
  - I always disliked those "...wasn't a true XXX because true XXX don't do that sort of stuff" lines.  octothorpe   Jul-26-11 04:45 AM   #108 
  - As I already posted, Breivik himself says that he's not especially religious  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-26-11 07:10 AM   #112 
  - Strange that someone "not especially religious"...  trotsky   Jul-26-11 07:30 AM   #114 
     - He claims in his own manifesto that he is not religious, and considers  Critters2   Jul-26-11 06:51 PM   #123 
        - Well I guess the thing we need to take away here...  trotsky   Jul-26-11 07:16 PM   #125 
           - Where did I use the word "non-believer"? I said he doesn't claim to be religious.  Critters2   Jul-27-11 02:09 PM   #128 
              - Don't worry, you're as clear as can be.  trotsky   Jul-27-11 02:43 PM   #130 
  - It isn't a true christian  TheBigotBasher   Jul-26-11 07:21 PM   #126 
 

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