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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:25 PM
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2. 67 Paid holidays?
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  -"Entitlement, my ass" kpete  Jul-23-11 10:18 PM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 10:20 PM   #1 
  - 67 Paid holidays?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-23-11 10:25 PM   #2 
  - Congress treats itself well.  aquart   Jul-23-11 10:27 PM   #3 
  - The fuckers work only every other week.  lonestarnot   Jul-23-11 10:28 PM   #4 
     - But they are working in their home district offices.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-23-11 10:43 PM   #5 
        - yah work...  handmade34   Jul-23-11 10:57 PM   # 
        - True that. Running for reelection is their #1 priority  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-24-11 12:07 AM   #10 
        - campaign finance reform -  TBF   Jul-24-11 09:39 AM   #42 
        - While I agree that they spend entirely too much time fundraising and we need finance reform  Hippo_Tron   Jul-24-11 06:09 PM   #112 
        - Is counting your money called work ?  russspeakeasy   Jul-24-11 11:01 AM   #61 
        - How much did we bail out the banks and Wall Street so they could keep "working"?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-24-11 03:33 PM   #99 
        - You have proof  atreides1   Jul-24-11 09:37 PM   #122 
  - It's an entitlement precisely because you are entitled to it.  Schema Thing   Jul-23-11 10:56 PM   #6 
  - I call them "earned benefits". I think it explains the situation better.  SharonAnn   Jul-24-11 12:16 AM   #11 
  - How do you earn Medicaid?  Egalitariat   Jul-24-11 08:44 AM   #33 
  - No shit. Medicaid isn't "earned"  Horse with no Name   Jul-24-11 08:51 AM   #36 
  - Damned straight it is! Paid for that is.  rucognizant   Jul-24-11 03:11 PM   #94 
  - You pay into it.  Qutzupalotl   Jul-24-11 11:06 AM   #62 
  - You earn Medicare, not Medicaid. Medicare comes along with your SS benefits. n/t  RebelOne   Jul-24-11 11:32 AM   #69 
  - by paying into it. nt  LaydeeBug   Jul-24-11 03:43 PM   #101 
  - But earned benefits are only a subset of entitlements.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-24-11 10:18 AM   #52 
  - Right on  nineteen50   Jul-24-11 04:15 PM   #104 
     - They earned it the old fashioned way: THEY STOLE IT!  Raster   Jul-24-11 05:24 PM   #110 
  - exactly. That is how it has been twisted  dana_b   Jul-24-11 02:09 PM   #85 
  - Big K/R  emilyg   Jul-23-11 10:57 PM   #7 
  - Nothing wrong with the term. Folks actually are "entitled." Problem is the implication they're not.  DirkGently   Jul-23-11 10:57 PM   #8 
  - It is a Republican phrase  Hawkowl   Jul-24-11 12:26 AM   #13 
  - it is NOT a fucking rethug phrase! It's an actual word that has a meaning that is  CleanGreenFuture   Jul-24-11 01:40 AM   #16 
  - It is now.  Hawkowl   Jul-24-11 01:42 AM   #18 
     - You would let them win? Great!  CleanGreenFuture   Jul-24-11 01:42 AM   #19 
        - No.  Hawkowl   Jul-24-11 01:45 AM   #20 
           - The point is, they are taking the ENTITLEMENT of SS and equating it  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 03:28 AM   #22 
           - Or define their's  Randypiper   Jul-24-11 11:45 AM   #70 
              - NO! NO! NO!  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 12:31 PM   #72 
                 - LOL  Hawkowl   Jul-24-11 03:22 PM   #96 
                 - Listen how rebublicans and fox say the word.  Randypiper   Jul-24-11 05:24 PM   #109 
           - Yup!  Plucketeer   Jul-24-11 10:57 AM   #60 
              - Exactly.  road2000   Jul-24-11 02:15 PM   #88 
              - the thing is we need to slang it, so people realize what the republiscum  StarsInHerHair   Jul-24-11 08:15 PM   #119 
              - As an aside, I think a lot of people in the Eastern US are  JDPriestly   Jul-24-11 02:24 PM   #91 
  - Look up the definition of "entitlement".  MilesColtrane   Jul-24-11 03:04 AM   #21 
  - wrong. no need to consult the dictionary.  tomp   Jul-24-11 08:03 AM   #32 
     - Indeed. Connotation and context are every bit as important as denotation.  Pacifist Patriot   Jul-24-11 09:24 AM   #39 
     - LOL  MilesColtrane   Jul-24-11 11:26 AM   #67 
        - brilliant response. nt  tomp   Jul-25-11 05:06 AM   #124 
  - Nope. It's a correct appellation that has been demonized.  DirkGently   Jul-24-11 09:47 AM   #48 
  - Let's look at the US Code for a minute  JDPriestly   Jul-24-11 02:29 PM   #92 
     - Let's look at the English language for a minute  DirkGently   Jul-24-11 04:06 PM   #102 
        - ERISA permits you to establish your 401(K).  JDPriestly   Jul-24-11 07:53 PM   #116 
  - We pay Federal Insuance Compensation Act taxes.  JDPriestly   Jul-24-11 02:20 PM   #90 
  - they are not "entitlements" ....  tomp   Jul-24-11 07:59 AM   #30 
  - Complete bullshit. Our Constitution ENTITLES us to certain Rights.  KittyWampus   Jul-24-11 08:48 AM   #34 
  - complete bullshit.  tomp   Jul-25-11 05:10 AM   #125 
  - They ARE entitlements. Entitlements are not handouts.  DirkGently   Jul-24-11 09:46 AM   #47 
  - Some entitlements are "handouts", some aren't  Recursion   Jul-24-11 12:26 PM   #71 
     - Regardless, a right established by law is legitimate, & should not be permitted to be denigrated.  DirkGently   Jul-24-11 04:11 PM   #103 
  - tomp, you're wrong on this one. (nt)  w4rma   Jul-24-11 07:11 PM   #115 
  - That connotation and the frame created by the GOP are precisely what's wrong with the term.  Pacifist Patriot   Jul-24-11 09:25 AM   #40 
  - And you paid for grandma and grandpa.  dkf   Jul-23-11 11:14 PM   #9 
  - Do you know anything about how Raygun changed Social Security?  fasttense   Jul-24-11 06:39 AM   #25 
     - Their retirement money was used to buy b-1 bombers.  dkf   Jul-24-11 09:05 AM   #37 
        - Great find -- "This . . . perverts the original purpose for the surpluses"  klook   Jul-24-11 10:38 AM   #58 
        - So fucking what?  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 12:40 PM   #76 
           - The point is where we were supposed to save these funds they used it to spend more.  dkf   Jul-24-11 01:37 PM   #81 
           - So pay it back? Is that so hard?  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 01:52 PM   #82 
              - We bailed out Wall Street ...TARP/FED RESERVE and get no interest on what puny savings  KoKo   Jul-24-11 02:09 PM   #86 
           - +1  davidwparker   Jul-24-11 06:43 PM   #113 
  - no argument from me that  handmade34   Jul-24-11 12:17 AM   #12 
  - Hey, you're not supposed to point out the obvious. It's so hyper partisan  tavalon   Jul-24-11 01:34 AM   #14 
  - How many times does the definition of "entitlement" have to be repeated here?  CleanGreenFuture   Jul-24-11 01:38 AM   #15 
  - THE REPUBLKKKLANS ARE NOT ENTITLED TO TAX CUTS!  pansypoo53219   Jul-24-11 01:41 AM   #17 
  - Happy to recommend  Art_from_Ark   Jul-24-11 03:53 AM   #23 
  - If they're going to start cutting "entitlements," start with Congress.  Vinca   Jul-24-11 05:23 AM   #24 
  - Like Liberal, some have made entitlements a dirty word. I started a similar thread last week.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-24-11 06:51 AM   #26 
  - Well, this is just nonsense. I got the same line of bullshit in an Email the other day.  ThomWV   Jul-24-11 07:20 AM   #27 
  - They do it because  Somawas   Jul-24-11 07:39 AM   #28 
  - IT'S MY MONEY...AND I WANT IT NOW!  Hubert Flottz   Jul-24-11 07:54 AM   #29 
  - K&R n/t  MissDeeds   Jul-24-11 08:00 AM   #31 
  - Plus self-granted pay raises. nt  cyberpj   Jul-24-11 08:50 AM   #35 
  - Earned benefit  The Wizard   Jul-24-11 09:13 AM   #38 
  - NO, it does not.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 12:45 PM   #78 
     - The implication is handout  The Wizard   Jul-24-11 03:21 PM   #95 
     - popular culture disagress, change words to earned insurance/etc  StarsInHerHair   Jul-24-11 08:22 PM   #120 
  - I don't know why everyone says this. It's an "entitlement" BECAUSE you're ENTITLED to it.  GOPBasher   Jul-24-11 09:38 AM   #41 
  - +1 ... its sad when the left falls for the right wing's renaiming of things.  JoePhilly   Jul-24-11 09:42 AM   #44 
  - Tada. If the concern is adopting a Rep. POV, we push back against the connotation, not the word.  DirkGently   Jul-24-11 09:50 AM   #50 
  - Somebody needs to look up the definition of 'entitlement'  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-11 09:41 AM   #43 
  - Actually, kpete, It's The Right Word  ProfessorGAC   Jul-24-11 09:43 AM   #45 
  - Get in line with the rest of us mere mortals, the "Too Small To Matter" bunch:  blkmusclmachine   Jul-24-11 09:44 AM   #46 
  - Millionaires/Billionaires are the "entitled" ones yo-yo...  Imagevision   Jul-24-11 09:48 AM   #49 
  - They're called "Entitlements" because you are entitled to them.  W T F   Jul-24-11 10:10 AM   #51 
  - I agree with you too. But there has been some powerful framing of the word "entitled"--  Overseas   Jul-24-11 10:23 AM   #54 
  - Said The Same Thing  ProfessorGAC   Jul-24-11 10:24 AM   #55 
     - No "somehow" about it...  JHB   Jul-24-11 11:19 AM   #66 
        - How Did We Let That Happen?  ProfessorGAC   Jul-24-11 12:34 PM   #74 
           - Where's the PR apparatus on the left?  JHB   Jul-24-11 04:45 PM   #106 
  - I agree. Call Social Security Insurance by its full name.  Overseas   Jul-24-11 10:20 AM   #53 
  - or old age PENSION.  pansypoo53219   Jul-24-11 10:50 AM   #59 
  - Not Clinton: Reagan (and Greenspan) n/t  JHB   Jul-24-11 12:33 PM   #73 
  - don't forget the "D"!  dana_b   Jul-24-11 02:13 PM   #87 
  - granting their own raises . . .  Tuesday Afternoon   Jul-24-11 10:25 AM   #56 
  - the 16 trillion dollar swindle  florida08   Jul-24-11 10:34 AM   #57 
  - Perfect! ... Recommended bigtime!  Bozita   Jul-24-11 11:07 AM   #63 
  - Kick!  sarcasmo   Jul-24-11 11:18 AM   #64 
  - An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation.  hack89   Jul-24-11 11:19 AM   #65 
  - It is not used in that context when describing social programs  sabrina 1   Jul-24-11 12:34 PM   #75 
     - That word is embedded in our laws - it is what is it.  hack89   Jul-24-11 12:45 PM   #77 
     - Nice defense of those 'mean old conservatives'.  sabrina 1   Jul-24-11 05:28 PM   #111 
     - & theory instead of hypothesis? where do you stand with that?  StarsInHerHair   Jul-24-11 08:27 PM   #121 
     - Apparently, about half the people on this thread do not.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-24-11 12:51 PM   #80 
        - The phrase 'false sense of entitlement' has stigmatized the word.  reformist2   Jul-24-11 03:34 PM   #100 
  - K&R n/t  Michigan-Arizona   Jul-24-11 11:27 AM   #68 
  - Good point  Jim_Shorts   Jul-24-11 12:48 PM   #79 
  - Strongly Recommended  Mosaic   Jul-24-11 01:54 PM   #83 
  - Congress can do away with it anytime it wants.  Kaleva   Jul-24-11 02:03 PM   #84 
  - K & R  orbitalman   Jul-24-11 02:18 PM   #89 
  - You paid cash for your income taxes, too  customerserviceguy   Jul-24-11 02:41 PM   #93 
  - And Obama uses that bogus term also  NICO9000   Jul-24-11 03:30 PM   #97 
  - It IS an entitlement - in the FORM of insurance.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-25-11 09:42 AM   #126 
  - We shoot ourselves in the foot for making fun of the word "entitlement."  reformist2   Jul-24-11 03:32 PM   #98 
  - They aren't entitlements.  BEZERKO   Jul-24-11 04:37 PM   #105 
  - I like the idea  christx30   Jul-24-11 05:06 PM   #107 
  - I'm ENTITLED to every penny I put in from my paychecks...  lib2DaBone   Jul-24-11 05:12 PM   #108 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-11 07:09 PM   #114 
  - K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R K & R  democrank   Jul-24-11 08:04 PM   #117 
  - It's an entitlement because you have paid for so you are entitled to it.  Lex   Jul-24-11 08:07 PM   #118 
  - Huge K and R Too bad they couldnt care less about us  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-24-11 09:44 PM   #123 
 

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