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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:43 PM
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140. You're exactly right
Cantor and Bachmann do want a default, they'd love to watch the various parties fight and bicker with each other over who did and didn't get paid in August, with what income the federal government does have available. Obama and Geithner will get all the blame.

Unless, by some accounting sleight of hand, the President and the Treasury Secretary can put off the day of reckoning for another month or so. Then Cantor and Bachmann would really love that, they'd say that the Administration was lying in order to get a worse deal for the American people.

I really don't think that the McConnell plan, or any variation of it is going to get through the House. If Boehner does put a lot of pressure on the tea partiers, they'll replace him with Cantor, if not now, then after the next election.
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  -What a fucking debacle this has been. And, no, we don't have a victory. woo me with science  Jul-22-11 08:39 PM   #0 
  - And now the wingers are already attacking him for proposing SS/Medicare/aid cuts.. n/t  Fumesucker   Jul-22-11 08:41 PM   #1 
  - Who gives a fuck. They are disingenuous FUCKHEADS who want to turn Medicare into a voucher program  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 08:49 PM   #10 
  - Why give them ammunition?  Fumesucker   Jul-22-11 08:52 PM   #18 
  - Doesn't matter. The FuckHeads always find something to lie about  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 08:58 PM   #24 
     - Oh, it matters.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:07 PM   #32 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-22-11 09:47 PM   #94 
     - fuck heads may always lie  booley   Jul-23-11 04:46 PM   #187 
  - Here's who gives a fuck: possibly enough of the population to swing an election.  Capitalocracy   Jul-22-11 09:28 PM   #62 
  - So they will vote for the side with the Ryan Plan?  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:50 PM   #96 
     - Yep, that's exactly what they'll do, a lot of them. The gullible ones.  Capitalocracy   Jul-22-11 10:33 PM   #111 
        - I met a woman today who thought that Obama was the first  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 03:46 PM   #165 
  - I give a fuck because it fills voter's heads with false information. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-23-11 01:09 PM   #131 
  - Exactly ... Obama is giving support to RW trickle down economics ... !!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:19 PM   #147 
  - DEBT debate is intended to hide the discussion of UNEMPLOYMENT IN AMERICA ...!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:21 PM   #148 
  - Ohh..... too sadly funny -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:16 PM   #145 
  - They have the chess skills  JVS   Jul-23-11 03:34 PM   #158 
  - Obama should have been a smarter negotiator.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 03:36 PM   #160 
     - He is no Swifty Lazar, that's for sure....  Bluenorthwest   Jul-23-11 04:48 PM   #188 
     - He messed up nothing.  Jackpine Radical   Jul-23-11 07:01 PM   #202 
  - There are no victories in Republican style budget cuts in a down economy  mmonk   Jul-22-11 08:43 PM   #2 
  - That's the crux of the matter. Three hundred economists warned against this crap.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:09 PM   #34 
     - Agree re the "much larger agenda being carried out here" .... Obama has to go -- !!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:25 PM   #153 
     - That's the big picture.  hulka38   Jul-23-11 04:14 PM   #183 
  - False alarm guys! The sky is STILL falling!  Joe the Revelator   Jul-22-11 08:43 PM   #3 
  - Are you even capable of looking at anything from a perspective of  The Big Vetolski   Jul-22-11 08:51 PM   #13 
     - Rephrase your question.  Joe the Revelator   Jul-22-11 08:52 PM   #15 
     - OK. Do you see anything going on politically outside the context  The Big Vetolski   Jul-22-11 09:31 PM   #70 
        - No that works, i get what you're saying, and the answer is yes, of course I do...I also still trust  Joe the Revelator   Jul-22-11 10:03 PM   #98 
           - Well, that's fair. The difference between you and I is that I have  The Big Vetolski   Jul-23-11 11:33 AM   #126 
     - The lack of empathy is stunning.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:10 PM   #35 
        - Isn't it? Thank you for the dose of sanity. nt  The Big Vetolski   Jul-22-11 09:29 PM   #64 
        - This cliche is so played out....everything is not falling apart...  Joe the Revelator   Jul-22-11 10:04 PM   #100 
        - Why are you surprised?  liberation   Jul-23-11 01:45 PM   #134 
        - thank you for your contributions  stockholmer   Jul-23-11 02:41 PM   #139 
  - Since he doen't have the votes to pass anything what you want is a dictator  lunatica   Jul-22-11 08:45 PM   #4 
  - +1. So much easier that way. The GOP would love it, too.  freshwest   Jul-22-11 08:47 PM   #5 
  - No. What we want is for the most powerful man in the world to make a case for the powerless.  Luminous Animal   Jul-22-11 08:48 PM   #9 
  - He made it today at the press conference  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:00 PM   #26 
  - That is boilerplate political speak.  Marr   Jul-22-11 10:41 PM   #113 
  - What you want is a dictator who you think will love the people  lunatica   Jul-22-11 09:28 PM   #63 
  - Most powerful man in the world  treestar   Jul-23-11 03:21 PM   #149 
  - Why would we need a dictator?  fivepennies   Jul-22-11 08:49 PM   #12 
  - wow.  lunatica   Jul-22-11 09:30 PM   #67 
  - Simplicity.  fivepennies   Jul-22-11 09:46 PM   #93 
  - Just as a little sideline. Remember how the Hunt brothers  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 03:53 PM   #170 
     - Yes, I remember the Hunt brothers  fivepennies   Jul-23-11 05:31 PM   #196 
  - How utterly pathetic when your strongest argument is for impotence,  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 08:52 PM   #17 
  - Here  ProSense   Jul-22-11 08:56 PM   #21 
  - He offered SS and Medicare, against the wishes of a majority of Americans,  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:04 PM   #30 
     - Oh bullfuckingshit  ProSense   Jul-22-11 09:18 PM   #44 
        - Of course they have the advantage, he's been validating their premise  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:24 PM   #55 
        - Oh noes!  ProSense   Jul-22-11 09:25 PM   #58 
        - His premise, too now. Congratulations. n /t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:27 PM   #61 
           - We're doomed. Congrats! n/t  ProSense   Jul-22-11 09:31 PM   #72 
        - Couldn't we imagine W with Prez and Senate, bowing to Pelosi demands this way ... ???!!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:30 PM   #155 
        - "...the constant idiotic spin to claim Republicans have an advantage."  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:25 PM   #57 
           - "And you claim Republicans don't have an ADVANTAGE?????"  ProSense   Jul-22-11 09:35 PM   #82 
           - Strangely enough, that's the narrative you *and* Boehner have been pushing.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:58 PM   #97 
           - Somehow  ProSense   Jul-22-11 10:11 PM   #103 
              - You know, Prosense,  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 11:11 PM   #119 
              - The Make It in America effort needs much more press.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 04:04 PM   #178 
           - Please see my post above.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 03:59 PM   #174 
           - Social Security is NOT AN ENTITLEMENT program  Hawkowl   Jul-23-11 04:58 PM   #190 
           - Unfortunately, the ADVANTAGE they have is Obama who is working  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:36 PM   #159 
           - the mortgage tax deduction is also on the table according to  swilton   Jul-23-11 05:13 PM   #193 
  - Well, once those people VOTE FOR CONGRESSPEOPLE who will do what they want...  Recursion   Jul-23-11 02:45 PM   #141 
  - wha?? ffs  inna   Jul-22-11 10:47 PM   #114 
  - It was a  ProSense   Jul-22-11 08:47 PM   #6 
  - Obama took the fight to the Republican playing field. It leaves him in a position of  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 08:47 PM   #7 
  - Offering your enemy everything they want in their own terms  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 08:53 PM   #19 
  - I'm sorry, but if they got "everything they want on their own terms"  chalky   Jul-22-11 09:11 PM   #36 
  - Because they don't want a deal, apparently. And lucky for us. n /t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:17 PM   #43 
     - I agree, I'm glad they walked away from this shitty deal.  Middle finga   Jul-23-11 03:26 PM   #154 
     - They backed away in an effort to get maybe just a little tinsy bit more  Supersedeas   Jul-23-11 11:32 PM   #207 
  - Surrender offer "victory" explained.  hay rick   Jul-22-11 09:21 PM   #50 
     - Thank you. n /t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:22 PM   #54 
     - Good summary. nt  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:32 PM   #75 
     - Exactly. Obama didn't offer them absolutely EVERYTHING, so the deal  Nay   Jul-23-11 01:51 PM   #135 
     - Agree --- and where are all of our elected Democrats and Party standing against Obama's deals ...???  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:41 PM   #162 
  - Oh please.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:12 PM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-11 08:47 PM   #8 
  - "we are in a shitty position for his having done this"  ProSense   Jul-22-11 08:49 PM   #11 
  - Oh my.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:15 PM   #40 
  - Oh  ProSense   Jul-22-11 09:21 PM   #47 
     - LOL.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:34 PM   #79 
  - As my Auntie Robin says "Oh bless you, darlin'."  Chan790   Jul-22-11 10:58 PM   #115 
  - You're exactly right  customerserviceguy   Jul-23-11 02:43 PM   #140 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:42 PM   #163 
  - I'd appreciate it  Hawkowl   Jul-23-11 05:00 PM   #191 
  - More  ProSense   Jul-22-11 08:52 PM   #16 
  - I've been noticing that a lot.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 08:57 PM   #22 
  - Axiom: Everything Obama does is wrong, evil, or weak  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-22-11 09:48 PM   #95 
  - Obama has been using his "bully pulpit" in this debate to support GOP trickle down ...  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:44 PM   #164 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-22-11 09:01 PM   #27 
  - Bragging about how far he was willing to cut our programs is leadership now?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:08 PM   #33 
  - Boehner wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:13 PM   #38 
  - Take your own advice. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:16 PM   #41 
  - So you believe the teabag house would vote for a revenue increase?  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:21 PM   #48 
     - What does that have to do with offering them Social Securiy and Medicare?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:25 PM   #56 
        - An offer that would not be accepted  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:38 PM   #87 
           - Just wait, grasshopper. nt  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 11:05 PM   #118 
           - What's the point of it -- to show Obama's disdain for SS and Medicare?  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:48 PM   #167 
           - What's the point of Obama offering SS and Medicare ... ? More game-playing with citizens lives?  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:49 PM   #168 
  - Stop. Think. Put two and two together.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:17 PM   #42 
  - +1  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:47 PM   #166 
  - wrong - taking a 'strong' stand for CORPORATE principals will not endear him to democrats or repubs  peace4ever   Jul-22-11 09:30 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-11 08:58 PM   #25 
     - aaaah. Longtime DUers are now trolls. Nice. n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Jul-22-11 09:02 PM   #28 
     - If you support NEW DEAL programs, you're now a "troll" -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:51 PM   #169 
     - It took awhile but they finally made it! n/t  Fire1   Jul-23-11 05:59 PM   #198 
     - No, not trolls. But it does feel Like frantic "Damage Control."  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:03 PM   #29 
     - There is no moving of goal posts. Hands OFF Social Security  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:06 PM   #31 
        - So you are willing to demagog the word "cuts" and pretend it is the same as benefit cuts?  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:18 PM   #45 
           - Of course it means benefit cuts. This is not a game.  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:21 PM   #49 
           - And you know this how? Medicare was cut in '92', and it was all on the provider side  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:25 PM   #59 
              - I know this because I've read every assessment from CEPR  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:29 PM   #65 
              - The complete denial of and refusal to acknowledge Obama's own words is just Orwellian:  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:31 PM   #74 
              - And what percentage of the cuts were benefit cuts vs cuts.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:42 PM   #91 
                 - Are you still trying to claim that the President had benefits off the table?  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 10:05 PM   #101 
                    - Find where I said that. i didn't. The point I was making: you claim cuts always equals benefit cuts  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 10:18 PM   #105 
                       - That was a foolish and nonsensical response.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 11:02 PM   #116 
                       - And that was a bullying rant, which tries to divert from the fact that you are willing to lie about  emulatorloo   Jul-23-11 01:51 AM   #122 
                       - You're grasping at straws --- it's over -- Obama is over --  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:54 PM   #171 
              - Some highlights of last week's reporting.  EFerrari   Jul-23-11 03:15 PM   #144 
           - Yes, it's what Boehner and the other baggers want -  TBF   Jul-23-11 12:14 PM   #127 
  - Figures.  Ikonoklast   Jul-22-11 08:51 PM   #14 
  - Oh come on  gratuitous   Jul-22-11 08:54 PM   #20 
  - K and R  bigwillq   Jul-22-11 08:57 PM   #23 
  - This wasn't and won't be a "victory"  Hydra   Jul-22-11 09:15 PM   #39 
  - You confuse your opinion with reality.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:19 PM   #46 
  - Yep...when Obama keeps talking about social security and other "entitlements" contributing  bluethruandthru   Jul-22-11 09:22 PM   #51 
  - Agree -- the STALLING here is important however ... voting for the "lesser evil" means  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:57 PM   #172 
     - +++  swilton   Jul-23-11 05:25 PM   #195 
  - Republican House  treestar   Jul-22-11 09:22 PM   #52 
  - Hard for some to wrap their heads around  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 09:30 PM   #68 
  - Yes, we must move ever rightward,  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:35 PM   #81 
  - So get to the voters  treestar   Jul-22-11 09:43 PM   #92 
     - We sure did.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 10:09 PM   #102 
        - Were you one of the ones being "outraged" and writing threads trying to depress Democratic turnout?  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 10:23 PM   #108 
        - "Trying to depress Democratic turnout."  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 11:03 PM   #117 
           - Answer the question. Yes or No. Were you writing those kinds of threads in 2010 or not?  emulatorloo   Jul-23-11 01:48 AM   #121 
              - I expect you would interpret any form of critical appraisal as 'an attempt to depress  Marr   Jul-23-11 12:57 PM   #129 
                 - There were plenty of threads doing that  treestar   Jul-23-11 03:23 PM   #150 
        - You got your change then when you let Republicans win  treestar   Jul-23-11 03:24 PM   #151 
           - Repugs won because Obama betrayed nation on Health Care and Wars -- --  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:02 PM   #176 
              - Watch this  swilton   Jul-23-11 05:36 PM   #197 
                 - Bernie should run -- But, how about Alan Grayson, James Galbraith ... most of all ...  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 10:08 PM   #205 
  - As though W would have been bowing down to a House controlled by Pelosi -- ??? ROFL  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:59 PM   #173 
  - K&R  hay rick   Jul-22-11 09:22 PM   #53 
  - Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs."  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:26 PM   #60 
  - Calling a bluff in a fake crisis? (Swoon) n/t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 09:31 PM   #71 
  - "fake crisis"? That's what Republicans have said, too. That opinion is terribly uninformed.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:33 PM   #76 
     - fingers in your ears  peace4ever   Jul-22-11 09:35 PM   #80 
     - Anyone who thinks this is a "fake crisis" is uninformed about macroeconomics.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:37 PM   #84 
        - Absolute and complete bullshit.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 10:30 PM   #110 
        - More empty rhetoric. How predictable. Your opinions are amusing fantasia.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 11:31 PM   #120 
        - It is in a sense a manufactured crisis.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 04:19 PM   #184 
        - Obama's solution is the crisis - the budget ceiling "crisis" is phony -- both are phony.  leveymg   Jul-23-11 07:41 PM   #204 
        - It's a fake crisis and I will challenge your macroeconomic education..  girl gone mad   Jul-24-11 12:24 AM   #208 
     - I bow to your expertise  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:36 PM   #83 
     - I owe you thanks for making me so familiar with them.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:39 PM   #88 
     - Wrong. And if you want the litany of people who agree with me  EFerrari   Jul-23-11 02:01 PM   #136 
     - Republican talking point = troll. n/t  Fire1   Jul-23-11 06:01 PM   #199 
  - but they can be cut, and thats what folks are angry about  peace4ever   Jul-22-11 09:33 PM   #77 
  - So what? The numbers were part of Pres. Obama's bluff and Boehner folded.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:34 PM   #78 
     - And he has to make the act look especially realistic by bemoaning that they did not take the deal!  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 09:38 PM   #86 
        - It's called rope-a-dope to the politically uninformed, as Lawrence O'Donnell would tell you.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 09:41 PM   #90 
           - Yes, I know. It's all personal.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 10:17 PM   #104 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-22-11 10:27 PM   #109 
  - And Boner whines that the President will not back off on raising  treestar   Jul-23-11 03:24 PM   #152 
     - Taxes on wealthy are lowest they've ever been -- !!! While OBAMA EXTENDED THE TAX CUTS FOR RICH!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:04 PM   #177 
  - K + R  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-22-11 09:29 PM   #66 
  - Apparently if he just wants a simple increase in the debt ceiling  dkf   Jul-22-11 09:41 PM   #89 
  - Stockholm Syndrome is a scary and frustrating mindfuck. nt  Modern_Matthew   Jul-22-11 09:31 PM   #73 
  - yup. it's all obama's fault.  dionysus   Jul-22-11 09:38 PM   #85 
  - It is so not over. This is going to get so ugly, with us as the sacrifice.  Safetykitten   Jul-22-11 10:04 PM   #99 
  - It is going to happen, absolutely.  woo me with science   Jul-22-11 10:19 PM   #106 
     - So correct...  Safetykitten   Jul-22-11 10:20 PM   #107 
     - i blame the obamaphiliacs.  tomp   Jul-23-11 08:24 AM   #124 
        - nt  libmom74   Jul-23-11 12:45 PM   #128 
  - who are delusionals who are "proclaiming victory", lol?  inna   Jul-22-11 10:38 PM   #112 
  - the entire obama presidency is a debacle.....  tomp   Jul-23-11 08:20 AM   #123 
  - +1000% -- and any future time Obama spends in WH is a danger to anything left of party!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:06 PM   #179 
  - "spewing Republican framing of the economy" Exactly.  DirkGently   Jul-23-11 09:44 AM   #125 
  - Now I get the whole debt ceiling thing  Jim_Shorts   Jul-23-11 01:02 PM   #130 
  - Excellent post  MissDeeds   Jul-23-11 01:19 PM   #132 
  - It was all eight dimensional chess.  JoeyT   Jul-23-11 01:29 PM   #133 
  - Cognitive dissonance sometimes takes a while to resolve itself.  Vattel   Jul-23-11 03:39 PM   #161 
  - Someone must stand up and take him on in the primaries and beat him.  totodeinhere   Jul-23-11 02:05 PM   #137 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:08 PM   #180 
  - Exactly -!! We should be demanding Obama RESIGN now -- !!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:10 PM   #181 
  - totodeinhere, I am with you.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 04:31 PM   #186 
  - +1000  MissDeeds   Jul-23-11 05:15 PM   #194 
  - Right. When "democrats" run to the right, it says to people  davidwparker   Jul-23-11 02:39 PM   #138 
  - When the party leader speaks Republican to the nation  EFerrari   Jul-23-11 04:21 PM   #185 
  - Thank you  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-23-11 02:53 PM   #142 
  - Obama uses the Republican's talking points  Marnie   Jul-23-11 03:15 PM   #143 
  - Not only is Obama showing his disdain for SS/Medicare -- he's showing his support for trickle down!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 03:17 PM   #146 
  - Agreed. Woo me with science.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 03:33 PM   #156 
  - All true, but I am hoping  Vattel   Jul-23-11 03:34 PM   #157 
  - FDR would view Obama as the biggest threat to his legacy  hulka38   Jul-23-11 04:01 PM   #175 
  - GOP in looking for default is treasonous ....  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 04:12 PM   #182 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 04:49 PM   #189 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 05:10 PM   #192 
  - Who said we have a victory? Maybe you're paying attention to the wrong sources, or . . .  patrice   Jul-23-11 06:36 PM   #200 
  - Obama didn't do a goalpost dance. Nordquist's having a private, pleasurable moment now.  freshwest   Jul-23-11 06:51 PM   #201 
  - Obama is embodying the spineless Democrat...  Ka hrnt   Jul-23-11 07:37 PM   #203 
     - It's not about "spinlessness" ... it's about corporate money ...  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 10:27 PM   #206 
 

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