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164. Even if this is just a bluff...
The mere fact that a DEMOCRATIC President put this on the table makes it more likely that there will be cuts at some point, either now or down the road. It used to be just a republican wet-dream, but now it has the endorsement of a Democratic president as well. So even if the final package ends up not touching one dime of the "Big Three", Obama has still put them at greater risk.

And by the way, are there ANY of his campaign promises we can really trust at this point. Bush stole his way into the White House and Obama lied his way in.
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  -So, Obama put $650 Billion of cuts in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade on the table ThomWV  Jul-22-11 06:33 PM   #0 
  - It's called "bluffing".  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:33 PM   #1 
  - and if that bluff was called????  G_j   Jul-22-11 06:35 PM   #6 
  - I'm sorry? You mean if the Republicans actually agreed to trillions in tax increases?  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:37 PM   #18 
  - no, 1 trillion in taxes, 3 trillions in CUTS. that was the deal on the table.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:40 PM   #32 
  - And of course the Republicans didn't take the tax increases.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:42 PM   #36 
     - thank goodness.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:46 PM   #50 
     - No chance GOP would have accepted the deal. GOP pattern is to refuse everything, everytime  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 10:50 AM   #155 
     - So you are saying that republicans save SS? Wow.  Jakes Progress   Jul-23-11 11:41 AM   #170 
        - That will be their new campaign slogan, 'Obama wants to kill Grandma' and it will stick.  bahrbearian   Jul-23-11 03:41 PM   #209 
           - Only because this admin is so inept.  Jakes Progress   Jul-23-11 04:05 PM   #216 
  - Trillions  sendero   Jul-23-11 09:53 PM   #233 
  - veto  Motown_Johnny   Jul-23-11 10:17 AM   #143 
  - He kept the stakes high enough that he was reasonably sure they  jwirr   Jul-23-11 01:12 PM   #185 
  - There was practically zero chance they'd accept the deal, given that 95% of the Republicans  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 05:26 PM   #222 
  - You're not supposed to bluff with other people's money. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #7 
  - with our lives, not just our money.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #15 
  - Stop reading DU if you can't handle politics.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:37 PM   #19 
  - Skinner, is that you?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:38 PM   #20 
  - our health care and pensions? Maybe you dont need yours, but the majority of us  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:40 PM   #29 
  - Then you should be thankful you have Obama for President instead of reflexively trashing him.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:43 PM   #42 
     - reflectively? bullshit.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:45 PM   #45 
     - Oh, there's something reflexive here  Cherchez la Femme   Jul-22-11 07:47 PM   #101 
        - I think it involves products from a certain adult toy store  Lorien   Jul-23-11 01:48 AM   #132 
     - I ahve the right to be angry with Obama. I worked to get him elected. I worked hard.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:45 PM   #48 
     - Then please note that the REPUBLICANS are the sole reason this is happening.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 06:49 PM   #57 
        - Then the appropriate response does NOT involve proposing a deal with social security, correct?  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:56 PM   #68 
        - Remember 1. Republicans dont want to cut it, they want to destroy it.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:29 PM   #91 
           - Obama never had to give them a damn thing  Lorien   Jul-23-11 01:52 AM   #133 
           - spot on Lorien. He should do as Clinton said if the GOP wants to try and tie our paid for programs  Divine Discontent   Jul-23-11 03:18 PM   #205 
           - EXACTLY. Thank-you.  robinlynne   Jul-23-11 09:24 PM   #232 
           - Social Security should never be on the table, period  jumptheshadow   Jul-23-11 10:33 AM   #146 
           - like there was no deal with the tax cuts/ and no deal with the public option?  robinlynne   Jul-23-11 08:55 PM   #231 
        - Republicans made Obama offer cuts in Medicare and Social Security ... ?  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:31 AM   #125 
        - The Devil made him do it.  pscot   Jul-23-11 01:51 PM   #192 
        - While I agree that the debt ceiling debate has never been as bad but didn't the President vote  kelly1mm   Jul-23-11 02:15 PM   #195 
     - thankful? money market account were pilfered! Obama's protecting the Banksters!  StarsInHerHair   Jul-22-11 07:24 PM   #90 
     - 1000% ---  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:32 AM   #126 
     - If you think Obama is protecting the Banksters, go to OpenSecrets(dot)org and see what the Banksters  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 06:02 PM   #223 
     - Only elites have reason to be "thankful" -- or "grateful" to Obama ... as Rahm made clear!!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:26 AM   #123 
     - No one is "reflexively trashing" Obama; it's called criticism. Try handling it  Lorien   Jul-23-11 01:47 AM   #131 
     - Something missing  lark   Jul-23-11 10:16 AM   #142 
     - Problem is Obama is a Republican  INdemo   Jul-23-11 06:40 PM   #229 
  - "Politics" effects people's lives every minute of their lives ... many Americans suffering ...  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:25 AM   #122 
  - THIS IS BEYOND POLITICS  toppertwot   Jul-23-11 10:51 AM   #156 
  - So, Mr. Yellow Dog, you'd like a repeat of Carter/Reagan 1980 would you?  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 06:08 PM   #224 
  - Stop posting on DU if you can't face reality.  Jakes Progress   Jul-23-11 11:44 AM   #171 
  - I know. My mom plays medication roulette every month.  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:40 PM   #30 
     - A lot of people do  Irishonly   Jul-23-11 03:08 PM   #203 
  - Who is Obama "bluffing" ---? Looks more like it's the American public ... !!  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:27 AM   #124 
  - Even if this is just a bluff...  Frisbee   Jul-23-11 11:23 AM   #164 
  - Its only a bluff if the other side doesnt call the bet by accepting  DJ13   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #8 
  - You think the republicans would accept trillions in tax increases?  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   # 
     - From what I understand, Obama was wanting to close loopholes in this deal  DJ13   Jul-22-11 06:45 PM   #46 
     - The plutocrats are trapped between a rock and a hard place on this one.  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 06:17 PM   #225 
     - There is zero evidence trillions in tax increases were on the table. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:48 PM   #54 
     - If I understood correctly  Horse with no Name   Jul-23-11 02:17 PM   #196 
     - So, you missed what BOTH Boehner and Obama said yesterday about the talks breaking down because  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 06:20 PM   #227 
     - If Obama agrees to do it at "some point  libmom74   Jul-23-11 11:57 AM   #175 
  - So he was not being honest with the people in this press conference, just bluffing. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #12 
  - Those of us who will or may need those programs are not amused..  tokenlib   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #13 
  - Political fights aren't for your "amusement". And if you have a problem, blame the Republicans.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:38 PM   #21 
  - +1  October   Jul-22-11 06:42 PM   #38 
  - Blame the republicans for Obama playing by their rules and with their language??  tokenlib   Jul-22-11 06:46 PM   #49 
     - And on their turf. Negotiating from the right of center  chill_wind   Jul-22-11 06:52 PM   #61 
     - BLAME the Republicans because this ENTIRE MESS is because of them. especially the teabaggers in the  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 06:52 PM   # 
     - lots of blame to go around  lark   Jul-23-11 10:23 AM   #144 
     - +100000000  bluethruandthru   Jul-22-11 09:46 PM   #113 
     - and their language... yea.  Muskypundit   Jul-23-11 04:54 PM   #220 
  - I'm sure the word "serious" was tossed around quite a bit  eilen   Jul-22-11 07:20 PM   #87 
  - The fact that Obama and Boehner had agreed to 0.8 trillion in revenue enhancements, and then Obama  TrollBuster9090   Jul-23-11 06:26 PM   #228 
  - So you say that Pres Obama putting SS and Medicare on the table is a bluff? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 06:37 PM   #16 
  - Can't handle being wrong, can you?  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   #24 
     - You mean, the Washington Post isn't making this up?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:42 PM   #37 
     - What the hell does that have to do with my question? What was I wrong about? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 07:14 PM   #83 
        - It has nothing to do w/ your question.It was just next on her list 4 today's snarky replies.  Divernan   Jul-23-11 10:48 AM   #153 
  - that's the best you can say? that he offered it up, mentioned it today...  CreekDog   Jul-22-11 06:56 PM   #70 
  - When the BEST defense of Obama is that "he is lying",  bvar22   Jul-23-11 09:20 AM   #137 
     - no shit!  CreekDog   Jul-23-11 11:51 AM   #174 
  - So... has he pulled it back  eilen   Jul-22-11 07:17 PM   #85 
  - I am guessing you never have played poker, right? If he is bluffing, that means he  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 07:17 PM   #86 
  - This isn't a game. n/t  Blue_In_AK   Jul-22-11 07:24 PM   #89 
  - Of Course  RobinA   Jul-22-11 08:17 PM   #108 
  - That still makes as little sense as it did when O'Donnell first tossed it out there.  Marr   Jul-22-11 07:42 PM   #100 
  - Or, just plain lying?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-22-11 07:55 PM   #103 
  - The only bluff he made was in 2008, and stupid me fell for it.  Faryn Balyncd   Jul-22-11 11:44 PM   #115 
  - We all fell for it. Is it any wonder Obama has so much contempt  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-23-11 12:04 PM   #176 
  - Your insta-revisionist commentry grows tiresome.  Poll_Blind   Jul-23-11 12:20 AM   #120 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:23 AM   #121 
  - No. It's called lousy negotiation techniques.  JDPriestly   Jul-23-11 10:49 AM   #154 
  - Can't negotiate with no no no  julian09   Jul-23-11 12:38 PM   #180 
     - Don't blame this on seniors, please; or, at the minimum give me a link!  juajen   Jul-23-11 06:17 PM   #226 
     - I don't think that it was seniors who stayed home last Fall.  JDPriestly   Jul-24-11 02:34 AM   #237 
  - You're incorrigible.  Jakes Progress   Jul-23-11 11:40 AM   #169 
  - No, it's called putting SS, medicare, and medicaid on the table.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-23-11 02:08 PM   #194 
  - bwahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha rofl  meow mix   Jul-23-11 03:46 PM   #211 
  - "bluffing" does not mean what you think it does  liberation   Jul-23-11 04:00 PM   #214 
  - bluffing would be threatening to take it into default, not adopting the Repuke position n/t  AlabamaLibrul   Jul-24-11 02:52 AM   #238 
  - Oh, it's also called hanging an albatross around your opponent's neck.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:34 PM   #2 
  - Don't think you see it yet, but Obama has hung an "albatross" around his own neck ...  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:45 AM   #129 
  - Whoah, again that term does not mean what you think it odes...  liberation   Jul-23-11 04:01 PM   #215 
  - Welcome to Bizarro World. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:34 PM   #3 
  - Do you play poker?  Skidmore   Jul-22-11 06:35 PM   #4 
  - It's not a win..  choie   Jul-22-11 06:35 PM   #5 
  - That is i ADDITIOn to the first trillion of cuts. And there is another trillion missing in  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #9 
  - I'm no advocate of the "chess argument", but Obama was ready to sell us out and the pukes still said  NightWatcher   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #10 
  - Thank god they wouldn't take it!!!!!!!! but he is meeting again tomorrow morning.  robinlynne   Jul-22-11 06:38 PM   #22 
  - Higher interest rates would actually help a large number of their REAL constituents  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   #27 
  - It's obvious now that some DU'ers are totally wedded to their prejudice.  KittyWampus   Jul-22-11 06:40 PM   #31 
     - It's also obvious some DU'ers  lark   Jul-23-11 10:34 AM   #147 
  - I think it is more part of the triple decker chess game that convinces us in some  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #11 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 12:46 AM   #130 
  - heckava a job Obama!  fascisthunter   Jul-22-11 06:36 PM   #14 
  - I dunno, but according to the Confucii of the forum, we are supposed to apologize. So start  FLAprogressive   Jul-22-11 06:37 PM   #17 
  - I salute you for saying this so much better than I could  tularetom   Jul-22-11 06:38 PM   #23 
  - Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs."  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   #25 
  - You believe Boner over Obama?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:41 PM   #34 
  - Yes. What Obama has said backs up what Boehner said.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 06:49 PM   #56 
  - LOL. No, it doesn't in any way unless you believe 650 billion in cuts  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:54 PM   #66 
     - See my post below.  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:02 PM   #75 
     - So? The numbers were part of Pres. Obama's bluff and Boehner folded.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 07:02 PM   #76 
     - Excuse, but I heard $850 billion in cuts. But why are you responding to "ignored"? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 07:34 PM   #93 
  - Boehner wanted Ryan Plan on steroids. Basically destroy SS, Medicare  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:02 PM   #74 
     - raising the age for medicare is a cut  lark   Jul-23-11 10:40 AM   #149 
        - where is this a statement from Obama?  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 10:55 AM   #157 
  - Boner wants MORE "fundamental" changes than Obama wanted so that's what he means  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:43 PM   #41 
  - Your opinion is similar to Republicans who refuse to raise a cent in taxes.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 06:51 PM   #60 
     - Social Security should not even be on the TABLE!!!! Not at all.  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:54 PM   #67 
     - Polls show Americans want both parties to compromise. Pres. Obama is bluffing. Do you get that?  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 06:58 PM   #72 
        - We'll see what happens in the weeks to come. Since we have already cut  AllyCat   Jul-23-11 12:19 AM   #119 
     - polls show we the people do NOT want cuts to SS/MA/MC  bread_and_roses   Jul-23-11 10:40 AM   #150 
  - Sigh... You're grasping at the whole bale again.  Dept of Beer   Jul-23-11 11:01 AM   #158 
  - Is this not almost the same amount as the amount given out to beneficiaries last year?  Generic Other   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   #26 
  - Well  chill_wind   Jul-22-11 06:39 PM   #28 
  - Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs."  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 06:41 PM   #33 
  - Or you could just believe Obama:  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:42 PM   #39 
  - So, one of them is a fucking liar - you tell me which one.  ThomWV   Jul-22-11 06:44 PM   #44 
  - both  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:47 PM   #52 
  - dam ..... you're right.  ThomWV   Jul-22-11 06:50 PM   #59 
  - Did you watch the press conference? Obama said boehner walked  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:10 PM   #80 
  - "Obama's statements were entirely consistent with Boehner." Thank you for the facts, emulatorloo.  ClarkUSA   Jul-22-11 07:35 PM   #94 
  - They dont agree on the definition of "fundamental" as re. changes to SS.  rhett o rick   Jul-23-11 11:13 AM   #163 
  - Enough with the direct deposit, jeebus!  xxqqqzme   Jul-23-11 11:36 AM   #168 
  - We just continue for the last decade to negotiate from  Broderick   Jul-22-11 06:41 PM   #35 
  - I agree...we are in power, not them. We put out the plans, not them  AllyCat   Jul-22-11 06:45 PM   #47 
     - Sickening  Broderick   Jul-22-11 06:47 PM   #53 
     - Is he a Pusher or something?  eilen   Jul-22-11 07:33 PM   #92 
        - You get it  Broderick   Jul-22-11 09:40 PM   #111 
     - Self Delete  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:11 PM   #81 
  - thank God Boehner 'pulled out' ! nt  G_j   Jul-22-11 06:42 PM   #40 
  - LOL  grahamhgreen   Jul-23-11 01:38 PM   #187 
  - Did the President  ProSense   Jul-22-11 06:43 PM   #43 
  - Why aren't you quoting his own words, ProSense?  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 06:49 PM   #58 
  - Here  ProSense   Jul-22-11 06:53 PM   #64 
     - No, his words on the deal, not on your cherry picking:  EFerrari   Jul-22-11 07:01 PM   #73 
        - Why are you taking Obama's own words and using them against him?!!?!?!!?111!?1 Do you want PRESIDENT  FLAprogressive   Jul-22-11 07:35 PM   #95 
        - Where is there a reference to cut in benefits?  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 11:02 AM   #159 
  - Nope, he only named the big three as up for $650 Billion in cuts  ThomWV   Jul-22-11 06:53 PM   #63 
     - Did he specify benefits?  ProSense   Jul-22-11 06:56 PM   #69 
  - Anyone who cuts funding for "needy" old people on SS is evil.  L0oniX   Jul-22-11 06:47 PM   #51 
  - It is more of 'relief' then anything else.  Rex   Jul-22-11 06:48 PM   #55 
  - Obama actually said he was going to screw future beneficiaries of SS  SnoopDog   Jul-22-11 06:52 PM   #62 
  - I agree, it is no relief to learn that my son is fucked rather than myself  ThomWV   Jul-22-11 06:54 PM   #65 
  - No! He's just talking about cutting *waste* They order A LOT of unnecessary office supplies @ SocSec  kenny blankenship   Jul-22-11 06:57 PM   #71 
  - How much money could be saved by going Direct Deposit with all Govt Checks  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:05 PM   #78 
     - SS has already begun to phase out paper checks  DJ13   Jul-22-11 07:13 PM   #82 
     - Good. Can Medicare negotiate with Drug Companies for better prices  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:15 PM   #84 
        - Why are you insulting DU? You are free to leave. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 07:36 PM   #96 
        - No, the administration gave that away when they made the deal with Tauzin...  slipslidingaway   Jul-23-11 12:19 AM   #118 
     - Yeah, and why do they staple everything!?  kenny blankenship   Jul-22-11 07:38 PM   #98 
        - Yeah, and what's up with all this war? That costs A LOT OF MONEY. nt  valerief   Jul-23-11 09:12 AM   #136 
  - And it was not enough  quaker bill   Jul-22-11 07:03 PM   #77 
  - I do: Republicans want total destruction of the safety net, and no taxes on corporations or the rich  emulatorloo   Jul-22-11 07:06 PM   #79 
  - Obama needs to up the ante to get a deal, he should offer to overturn Roe v Wade.  Major Hogwash   Jul-22-11 07:22 PM   #88 
  - Are you joking. Our corp-overlords dont give a shit about Roe v Wade  rhett o rick   Jul-22-11 07:39 PM   #99 
  - Well see-- he did it "forcefully". He had a sexy gleam in his eye.  Marr   Jul-22-11 07:36 PM   #97 
  - Not to worry. He will withdraw his bid and promise to veto any cuts to present or future beneifits.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-22-11 07:54 PM   #102 
  - That's true. He made them blink, and played chess, & called their bluff & looks great in a swimsuit  Bluebear   Jul-22-11 07:56 PM   #104 
  - No flames from me, Thom  suffragette   Jul-22-11 07:59 PM   #105 
  - This is my question too. K&R n/t  myrna minx   Jul-22-11 08:04 PM   #106 
  - well, he offered it, but it had to go through congress...he knew it didn't have a prayer  spanone   Jul-22-11 08:05 PM   #107 
  - Definitely a bold ploy to throw away Florida in 2012!  Creideiki   Jul-22-11 08:20 PM   #109 
  - Define changes..change SS cap, reduced payments to wealthy recipients...  Historic NY   Jul-22-11 09:02 PM   #110 
  - So you prefer the default?  treestar   Jul-22-11 09:41 PM   #112 
  - Does this mean you support cuts to SS?  Forkboy   Jul-22-11 11:46 PM   #116 
     - Do you prefer the default?  treestar   Jul-23-11 09:44 AM   #141 
        - Quit buying the story  lark   Jul-23-11 10:31 AM   #145 
        - Do you support cuts to SS, yes or no?  Forkboy   Jul-23-11 02:56 PM   #201 
  - I agree with ThomWV - it's the same ol shit again.  udbcrzy2   Jul-22-11 11:28 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-11 11:47 PM   #117 
  - Please return your name tag and towel on the way out.  MilesColtrane   Jul-23-11 12:39 AM   #128 
  - K&R It's not a win, by any means. It is an outrage and a crying shame. nt  woo me with science   Jul-23-11 12:33 AM   #127 
  - so, here's what I heard the President say:  pnwest   Jul-23-11 02:06 AM   #134 
  - So we oldsters are supposed to sell out our children and g'children?  bread_and_roses   Jul-23-11 10:47 AM   #152 
  - Here is what he SHOULD have proposed  on point   Jul-23-11 08:48 AM   #135 
  - So Obama's message on the campaign trail  Middle finga   Jul-23-11 09:23 AM   #138 
  - Some can't tell the difference between Chess and liar's poker.  Hubert Flottz   Jul-23-11 09:37 AM   #139 
  - 18% real unemployment & cuts to SS and Medicare  Jim_Shorts   Jul-23-11 11:35 AM   #167 
  - Wouldn't ya hate to play poker with Obama? nt  fadedrose   Jul-23-11 09:38 AM   #140 
  - I am an adult, I do not play games with money.  ThomWV   Jul-23-11 03:51 PM   #212 
  - To believe that the cuts to Medicare and SS  Vattel   Jul-23-11 10:36 AM   #148 
  - Stated assumptions to a reduction in benefits also lacks credibility.  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 11:11 AM   #161 
     - No, I offered evidence. A respectable objection  Vattel   Jul-23-11 12:14 PM   #178 
     - unknow sources and hear say are hardly credible evidence.  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 01:11 PM   #184 
        - Well, at least you are addressing my argument.  Vattel   Jul-23-11 03:23 PM   #206 
     - Nope, informed by a week's worth of reporting.  EFerrari   Jul-23-11 03:08 PM   #202 
        - Opinion posts are just that...opinions with no hard facts or supporting evidence  Sheepshank   Jul-23-11 03:14 PM   #204 
           - Opinion pieces often cite facts in support of the opinions.  Vattel   Jul-23-11 03:25 PM   #207 
           - LOL  EFerrari   Jul-23-11 03:26 PM   #208 
  - BERNIE SANDERS IN 2012! Fuck this noise.  Somawas   Jul-23-11 10:46 AM   #151 
  - Sarah Palin thank s you for your support!  whistler162   Jul-23-11 11:13 AM   #162 
     - That old line doesn't  emilyg   Jul-23-11 01:50 PM   #191 
        - Doesn't work for me.  Somawas   Jul-23-11 08:40 PM   #230 
           - Thank you. I will never  emilyg   Jul-23-11 10:35 PM   #234 
  - The question has been asked 'Why did Boehner walk out?"  Leontius   Jul-23-11 11:10 AM   #160 
  - Bohener walked out because he is a motherfucker.  Somawas   Jul-23-11 10:53 PM   #235 
  - Bill Maher had a "libertarian" guest on last night  newspeak   Jul-23-11 11:31 AM   #165 
  - Loved it when the woman seated next to him...  pnwest   Jul-23-11 01:47 PM   #189 
  - AS caller on Hartmann yesterday astutely observed  Doctor_J   Jul-23-11 11:31 AM   #166 
  - A moment of silence  Jakes Progress   Jul-23-11 11:47 AM   #172 
  - Obama is finished -- unless we're all insane -- ????  defendandprotect   Jul-23-11 11:49 AM   #173 
  - Lots of people have become sane.  emilyg   Jul-23-11 01:49 PM   #190 
  - Bush might have been uneducated, but he had balls.  earcandle   Jul-23-11 12:13 PM   #177 
  - I posted this earlier...  WiffenPoof   Jul-23-11 12:18 PM   #179 
  - I agree  Smilo   Jul-23-11 12:52 PM   #182 
  - +1 n/t  MissDeeds   Jul-23-11 02:34 PM   #197 
  - Blame Republicans AND Democrats for looting the Social Security trust fund  South End Liberal   Jul-23-11 12:52 PM   #181 
  - +1  grahamhgreen   Jul-23-11 01:40 PM   #188 
  - Here Here!! Absolutely. let's try 70% tax rate until debt is paid down!  on point   Jul-23-11 02:46 PM   #198 
     - No, let's not  DFW   Jul-23-11 04:32 PM   #218 
        - Hey I'm willing to compromise at 50% !! This is the discussion we should be having.  on point   Jul-23-11 05:20 PM   #221 
           - That is a dicey limit.  DFW   Jul-23-11 11:32 PM   #236 
  - So this puts the entitlement cuts squarely on the shoulders of Democrats.  Kablooie   Jul-23-11 01:08 PM   #183 
  - REC. nt.  bertman   Jul-23-11 01:36 PM   #186 
  - I'm so sick of the games. The people in Washington are doing nothing more than political theater.  Vinca   Jul-23-11 01:56 PM   #193 
  - Who would have EVER thought that we would have to be BEGGING  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-23-11 02:50 PM   #199 
  - How Your Social Security Money Was Stolen  German   Jul-23-11 02:56 PM   #200 
  - people want to delude themselves that he was "bluffing" when he was ready to sell us out  meow mix   Jul-23-11 03:45 PM   #210 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 04:28 PM   #217 
  - What an utter waste of time. We should be talking jobs and the future. n/t  jtuck004   Jul-23-11 03:51 PM   #213 
  - Someone needs to take the table out back, chop it into pieces, and burn it.  sudopod   Jul-23-11 04:41 PM   #219 
 

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