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Tue Jul-19-11 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 14. The Worst thing About This, Sir, Is That It Actually Reduces Tax Revenues |
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To take the tripe argument that 'government must do its budgeting like your family does' seriously for a moment, what family, faced with expenses greater than income, suggests Dad should ask his boss for fewer hours down at the plant, so he will take home less pay?
No proposal that does not increase taxes, and increase them substantially on the possessors of the bulk of the country's wealth, is a serious proposal for bringing the Federal budget into better balance.
Any proposal which does not do this, and instead introduces structural, long term reductions in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits, is not a proposal to bring the Federal budget into better balance, but rather a proposal to sanctify the looting of the Social Security Trust Fund, and turn the regressive pay-roll tax on wages into the chief source of general revenue for Federal expenditures on war and tax credit paid out to big business.
The cold fact is that three things make up the present deficits; revenue forgone by the tax cuts enacted by Bush and preserved by President Obama, the costs of warfare in the Near East and Central Asia, and the loss of revenues attendant on the collapse of employment in our economy over the last three years. Anyone who wants to end deficits must look to raising revenues, curbing wwar outlays, and increasing employment.
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| -Should the Democrats in the Senate endorse the "Gang of Six" Plan? |
kentuck |
Jul-19-11 03:56 PM |
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Does the plan get to be negotiated first? |
jaxx |
Jul-19-11 04:00 PM |
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Absolutely Not, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-19-11 04:04 PM |
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I trust your judgement, Magistrate. |
kentuck |
Jul-19-11 04:09 PM |
#6 |
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The Worst thing About This, Sir, Is That It Actually Reduces Tax Revenues |
The Magistrate |
Jul-19-11 04:23 PM |
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Where did you get this information? |
JuniperLea |
Jul-19-11 04:49 PM |
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The Money Quote, Ma'am, is From the 'Politico' Article |
The Magistrate |
Jul-19-11 04:56 PM |
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Sir, if you think about it, Obama has already made cuts in SS... |
kentuck |
Jul-19-11 04:52 PM |
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True, Sir, And That is Very Worrisome |
The Magistrate |
Jul-19-11 04:56 PM |
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Reducing marginal tax rates for "high earners" to 23% |
TomClash |
Jul-19-11 04:06 PM |
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Probably a death knell if DEMs support it. Obama's positive comments has probably doomed it already |
Distant Observer |
Jul-19-11 04:07 PM |
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Perhaps doomed his reelection as well if it passes. |
Fearless |
Jul-19-11 04:13 PM |
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Only if they want to split the Democratic Party. |
damntexdem |
Jul-19-11 04:07 PM |
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If I wanted Republican policies |
Mz Pip |
Jul-19-11 04:11 PM |
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Hear Hear, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jul-19-11 04:44 PM |
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Completely agree. IMO, this is more stalling. |
KittyWampus |
Jul-19-11 04:50 PM |
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Should they negotiate the destruction of the middle class? Umm... no. |
Fearless |
Jul-19-11 04:10 PM |
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I guess so, if they don't want to keep their jobs. |
Hubert Flottz |
Jul-19-11 04:12 PM |
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That stupid plan includes a cut in Social Security |
fasttense |
Jul-19-11 04:14 PM |
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Hell no, and they know it. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-19-11 04:17 PM |
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It's a steaming turd on a silver platter. |
bullwinkle428 |
Jul-19-11 04:23 PM |
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Are you telling me they negotiated the whole deal already? |
JuniperLea |
Jul-19-11 04:48 PM |
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Right? The thread title is egregiously wrong. |
KittyWampus |
Jul-19-11 04:50 PM |
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"broadly consistent with what we've been working on at the White House" |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-19-11 05:12 PM |
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No, we're not FORMALLY screwed yet. But by then it's kind of too late isn't it? |
Pholus |
Jul-19-11 07:46 PM |
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Where did Obama endorse this specific plan? HE DIDN'T. |
KittyWampus |
Jul-19-11 04:49 PM |
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He did. |
Fearless |
Jul-19-11 05:44 PM |
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NO. nt |
The Big Vetolski |
Jul-19-11 04:52 PM |
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oh HELL no. n/t |
Donnachaidh |
Jul-19-11 05:13 PM |
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Not just no, but HELL, NO! |
kath |
Jul-19-11 05:13 PM |
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Only if they think voting under duress to endorse the continued raiding of SS to finance general... |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jul-19-11 05:18 PM |
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The "gang of six" and their effing plan suck...That means "No". n/t |
whathehell |
Jul-19-11 05:30 PM |
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Fucking HELL no!!!! n/t |
eridani |
Jul-20-11 02:54 AM |
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President Obama did NOT endorse the plan, he hasn't even read it yet. |
Tx4obama |
Jul-20-11 03:05 AM |
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Let the DNC know what you think of this bullshit. |
eridani |
Jul-20-11 03:09 AM |
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Of course Dems should vote "no" on any proposal that includes dismantling the social safety net. |
AtomicKitten |
Jul-20-11 03:11 AM |
#35 |