| 18. Obama said it was so it is get over it ! |
| - Which part of "Social Security has *zero* to do with the debt" do DUers not understand? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 09:38 PM |
#0 |
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When the President is a Democrat who suggests cuts/changes to |
neverforget |
Jul-15-11 09:39 PM |
#1 |
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"They" do it every time. |
dotymed |
Jul-16-11 08:29 AM |
#64 |
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True, but |
Cherchez la Femme |
Jul-16-11 10:37 AM |
#93 |
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How ingenious to have it come from a Democrat. |
woo me with science |
Jul-16-11 11:13 AM |
#102 |
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As only Nixon could go to China, only a Democrat could change |
neverforget |
Jul-16-11 11:32 AM |
#104 |
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From "Only Nixon could go to China" to "Only Obama can go evict Grandma". |
Ken Burch |
Jul-16-11 09:01 PM |
#175 |
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you have it wrong |
neverforget |
Jul-16-11 11:51 PM |
#182 |
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I repeat the millionth time. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 05:04 PM |
#157 |
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I AGREE; it BOGGLES my mind when NO1 EVER stops those who do IN THEIR TRACKS with the TRUTH. |
supraTruth |
Jul-15-11 09:41 PM |
#2 |
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You've been here all of 8 days -- stick around (but stop shouting). (n/t) |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Jul-15-11 09:51 PM |
#9 |
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When I first joined DU, I shouted a lot. |
dotymed |
Jul-16-11 08:34 AM |
#66 |
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ditto! :) |
Divine Discontent |
Jul-16-11 09:02 PM |
#176 |
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... |
burrfoot |
Jul-16-11 11:46 AM |
#106 |
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Stick it in your ear! |
juajen |
Jul-16-11 12:32 PM |
#129 |
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I am completely mystified by your response. |
burrfoot |
Jul-16-11 01:52 PM |
#144 |
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You just undermined sombody's illusion of superiority |
Bluesbreaker |
Jul-16-11 08:32 PM |
#172 |
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... |
burrfoot |
Jul-17-11 12:02 PM |
#191 |
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"No1?" |
Le Taz Hot |
Jul-16-11 02:53 AM |
#48 |
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LOL |
timtom |
Jul-16-11 01:48 PM |
#143 |
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GALBRAITH CONFIRMED SOCIAL SECURITY NOT PART OF THE DEBT ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:23 PM |
#125 |
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+1 |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 05:05 PM |
#158 |
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They already grabbed the $2.6 trillion in the trust fund. |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-15-11 09:43 PM |
#3 |
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No. Like any bank account, the money's been put to work. |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 09:44 PM |
#4 |
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And it will be in one of two ways... |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-15-11 09:49 PM |
#6 |
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Are we paying for the military and schools through increased taxes? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 10:05 PM |
#16 |
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Tell the people that renewed the Bush tax cuts... n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-15-11 10:07 PM |
#17 |
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Thank you, Manny. A voice of reason. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 12:27 AM |
#38 |
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Unfortunately, they are making it more difficult for elderly people |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 12:23 AM |
#36 |
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No. 1 and 2 are the better solutions. |
verges |
Jul-16-11 10:33 AM |
#92 |
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Congress has made it harder for elderly people to buy bonds |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 05:08 PM |
#160 |
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I've said that before--how would the Chinese feel, who hold our bonds, if they see us reneging |
elocs |
Jul-15-11 10:16 PM |
#22 |
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+1000. nt |
DeschutesRiver |
Jul-17-11 09:37 AM |
#187 |
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That's simply a misstatement. |
caseymoz |
Jul-16-11 09:33 AM |
#74 |
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Many understand and don't care...it's all about Obama "winning." |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Jul-15-11 09:47 PM |
#5 |
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That's pretty much it, in a nutshell. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jul-15-11 09:57 PM |
#12 |
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Yep. For some, it's the same sort of cognitive dissonance that could be applied to... |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Jul-15-11 11:35 PM |
#31 |
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Indeed. The ruling elite count on Bushbots and Obamabots to argue their case |
Lorien |
Jul-16-11 01:40 PM |
#141 |
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Why do you think the |
Enthusiast |
Jul-16-11 05:52 AM |
#53 |
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+10000 nt |
femrap |
Jul-16-11 10:32 AM |
#91 |
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+1 -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 11:49 AM |
#107 |
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Interesting |
Sportsguy |
Jul-16-11 01:04 PM |
#136 |
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Read up on Diebold |
Lorien |
Jul-16-11 01:41 PM |
#142 |
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They care more about the man - not |
emilyg |
Jul-15-11 10:01 PM |
#15 |
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It's disgusting. |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Jul-15-11 11:31 PM |
#30 |
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Any semblance of security is gone. I retired |
emilyg |
Jul-16-11 06:37 PM |
#168 |
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So sorry to hear that. |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Jul-16-11 09:32 PM |
#179 |
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Exactly right. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-11 12:27 AM |
#39 |
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Bingo! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jul-16-11 08:32 AM |
#65 |
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You nailed it. Obama over policy. Obama over people. |
tekisui |
Jul-16-11 09:51 AM |
#79 |
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+1000% -- Politicians over Principles -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 11:50 AM |
#108 |
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And there's the answer. We have gotten so caught up in the horse race aspect of politics |
QC |
Jul-16-11 04:15 PM |
#154 |
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I think everyone who actually pays attention knows that. I don't |
gateley |
Jul-15-11 09:49 PM |
#7 |
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Then why did Obama give the "Deficit Commission" the duty of reforming Social Security? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 09:51 PM |
#8 |
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After the TeaPubliKlan sponsors voted against their own bill and killed it |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-15-11 10:10 PM |
#19 |
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"Time for old folks to eat their peas and catfood." |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 10:12 PM |
#20 |
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He said "OUR" peas--as in his, yours, mine, everyone's. But you're obviously angry, so whatever. NT |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 11:46 PM |
#33 |
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yeah, like obama's going to be suffering. |
tomp |
Jul-16-11 09:29 AM |
#70 |
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We'll see. nt |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 10:27 AM |
#87 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-16-11 11:26 PM |
#181 |
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'Time to eat our peas' |
femrap |
Jul-16-11 10:40 AM |
#94 |
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And over 65 you really can't work those hours on your feet. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 05:11 PM |
#161 |
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I don't have an answer to that, Manny. nt |
gateley |
Jul-15-11 10:48 PM |
#24 |
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Same reason, Obama/Duncan are destroying public edu, teachers, unions ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 11:54 AM |
#109 |
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Very simple - He didn't. Nowhere in the XO creating the |
johnaries |
Jul-17-11 02:17 AM |
#184 |
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Actually we go into debt when we redeem the social security bonds and interest. |
dkf |
Jul-15-11 09:52 PM |
#10 |
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Are we also talking about not repaying China's Treasury Bonds? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 09:54 PM |
#11 |
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Repaying China's treasury bonds takes more issuance of debt too. |
dkf |
Jul-15-11 10:12 PM |
#21 |
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So? That's accounting. |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-15-11 10:24 PM |
#23 |
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No it doesn't. |
Yo_Mama |
Jul-15-11 11:06 PM |
#28 |
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If they were zeros you would have to reissue the maturity value to pay it back |
dkf |
Jul-16-11 01:26 AM |
#45 |
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Zero-coupons are usually |
femrap |
Jul-16-11 10:45 AM |
#96 |
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They're not real Treasury bonds |
Yo_Mama |
Jul-15-11 11:02 PM |
#27 |
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The debt is canceled at bond redemption. |
girl gone mad |
Jul-16-11 03:34 AM |
#50 |
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knr nt |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-15-11 09:58 PM |
#13 |
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K & r |
krabigirl |
Jul-15-11 09:59 PM |
#14 |
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Obama said it was so it is get over it ! |
bahrbearian |
Jul-15-11 10:09 PM |
#18 |
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Ah |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 08:23 AM |
#62 |
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bringing it into the debt limit ceiling crisis is a political mistake, and an upsetting action |
Divine Discontent |
Jul-16-11 09:00 PM |
#174 |
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You're wrong, in point of fact. |
Yo_Mama |
Jul-15-11 10:58 PM |
#25 |
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Since they indicate that the trust fund securities are 'included in the debt llimit' |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-16-11 12:48 AM |
#41 |
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The federal debt is only 57.9% |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 01:47 AM |
#46 |
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This deserves to be its own thread |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 09:37 AM |
#77 |
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thank you. very well-stated |
bbgrunt |
Jul-16-11 12:04 PM |
#114 |
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Sorry. The federal government's portion of the debt is 58.9% |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 05:13 PM |
#162 |
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Thank you for that, and I feel the same re your last paragraph. |
DeschutesRiver |
Jul-17-11 09:45 AM |
#188 |
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I agree with many of your specifics, but |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 09:33 AM |
#73 |
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The part where Social Security has zero to do with the debt |
Creideiki |
Jul-15-11 10:59 PM |
#26 |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Jul-15-11 11:11 PM |
#29 |
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Well, when the US government raids the lockbox, it does have to do with the debt. |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 11:44 PM |
#32 |
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It's actually in a locked file cabinet... n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-16-11 12:24 AM |
#37 |
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We'd be better off if that were the case--but we'd need a very big cabinet. NT |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 12:48 AM |
#40 |
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The trust fund securities really are kept in a fireproof locked file cabinet |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-16-11 12:50 AM |
#42 |
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Who's that thief on the right, swiping the goods? nt |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 12:55 AM |
#43 |
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So, they have to repay it. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 01:54 AM |
#47 |
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"Oh, we can't have a death tax!" |
Enthusiast |
Jul-16-11 06:41 AM |
#54 |
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The Koch Brothers want to keep their money and control in the family. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 12:00 PM |
#111 |
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That's a lead balloon, people whine about it too hard. |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 10:31 AM |
#90 |
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People only think this shit |
Enthusiast |
Jul-16-11 01:08 PM |
#137 |
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Quite true--he's got millions of not-too-bright fans. |
MADem |
Jul-17-11 12:37 AM |
#183 |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Jul-15-11 11:59 PM |
#34 |
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Thanks. Manny. There is no tie whatsover and cutting |
JDPriestly |
Jul-16-11 12:21 AM |
#35 |
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SS Cola cuts? Raise the retirement age? "Let me be clear." |
chill_wind |
Jul-16-11 12:58 AM |
#44 |
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That was then. n/t |
NorthCarolina |
Jul-16-11 06:59 AM |
#56 |
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Yep. n/t |
chill_wind |
Jul-16-11 10:56 AM |
#98 |
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"any bill I sign......" |
amborin |
Jul-16-11 10:52 AM |
#97 |
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Thanks for the info -- more campaign promises broken by Obama ...!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:06 PM |
#115 |
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Recommended |
somone |
Jul-16-11 03:02 AM |
#49 |
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This was more true before they cut payroll taxes and paid the shortfall from the gen fund. |
Sirveri |
Jul-16-11 04:52 AM |
#51 |
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Simply more gimmickry to confuse the public -- Social Security should NOT be running a surplus ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:08 PM |
#117 |
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That's moronic. Social Security has to run a surplus to pay for times of need. |
Sirveri |
Jul-16-11 12:27 PM |
#126 |
| -
No -- Social Security was purposefully NEVER intended to run a surplus ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:42 PM |
#131 |
| -
Apparently the Obama Administration is |
Enthusiast |
Jul-16-11 05:49 AM |
#52 |
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The strongest connection between SSS and the Debt is that 1/3 of the National Debt is owed to SSS |
ThomWV |
Jul-16-11 06:43 AM |
#55 |
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Closer to 1/5. |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-16-11 08:19 AM |
#60 |
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1/3rd of the national debt was BORROWED from Social Security Surplus ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:10 PM |
#118 |
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Galbraith explains Social Security as "transfer" program ... no part of debt -- here ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:46 PM |
#133 |
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k&r |
Bryn |
Jul-16-11 07:41 AM |
#57 |
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Those that follow the current "wisdom" of politicians will misunderstand. |
mmonk |
Jul-16-11 07:44 AM |
#58 |
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Thank You Manny. |
dotymed |
Jul-16-11 08:18 AM |
#59 |
| -
It's a distinction without a difference. |
sendero |
Jul-16-11 08:21 AM |
#61 |
| -
The money from the China and other investors was also spent |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 09:15 AM |
#69 |
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I do not disagree.. |
sendero |
Jul-16-11 10:27 AM |
#89 |
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Medicare is a problem; Social Security is zero problem. |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 12:11 PM |
#119 |
| -
Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 12:15 PM |
#121 |
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Let's start off very, very simply |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 12:19 PM |
#122 |
| -
Also from the |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 12:22 PM |
#124 |
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So do we agree that a prediction (or projection) is not a guarantee? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 12:27 PM |
#127 |
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Does |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 12:38 PM |
#130 |
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I'd think that your side could articulate a rational position |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 12:43 PM |
#132 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-16-11 05:08 PM |
#159 |
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My side? |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 05:31 PM |
#164 |
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Cutting the COLA formula or reducing the age of eligibility is |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 08:53 PM |
#173 |
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MEDICARE FOR ALL would cure any problems -- and save government money .. create 2.3 million jobs! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:50 PM |
#135 |
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I agree. |
sendero |
Jul-16-11 04:11 PM |
#153 |
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You are ignoring that rich have benefitted from SS slush fund .... taxes must be raised on wealthy!! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:49 PM |
#134 |
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All you are saying is Social Security Surplus was used as slush fund for rich .... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 12:12 PM |
#120 |
| -
A sovereign currency regime doesn't have to borrow or tax in order to spend. |
girl gone mad |
Jul-16-11 05:20 PM |
#163 |
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No. Much of it was STOLEN. And can be taken back by the people with the most guns (that's us). |
saras |
Jul-17-11 03:57 PM |
#192 |
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President Obama: "Social security is not the source of our deficit problems." |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 08:25 AM |
#63 |
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That's odd: I thought Obama keeps insisting on Social Security cuts as part |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 09:13 AM |
#68 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-16-11 09:32 AM |
#72 |
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Let's see what she has to say |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 09:34 AM |
#75 |
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i love you, manny.... |
tomp |
Jul-16-11 09:50 AM |
#78 |
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"So is my information wrong?" |
ProSense |
Jul-16-11 12:07 PM |
#116 |
| -
Can you be specific? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-16-11 12:20 PM |
#123 |
| -
Reminds me of this: |
blkmusclmachine |
Jul-16-11 08:54 AM |
#67 |
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I feel your pain Manny. |
Hubert Flottz |
Jul-16-11 09:30 AM |
#71 |
| -
DUers understand. |
treestar |
Jul-16-11 09:34 AM |
#76 |
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I would also say that not nearly enough Democrats do... |
MrMickeysMom |
Jul-16-11 10:27 AM |
#88 |
| -
When cutting SS for the debt comes to a politician's lips |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-16-11 09:57 AM |
#80 |
| -
The question bears repeating |
somone |
Jul-16-11 10:02 AM |
#81 |
| -
My understanding is that the interest paid on borrowing from the SS fund |
rucky |
Jul-16-11 10:04 AM |
#82 |
| -
Recommended! |
Bozita |
Jul-16-11 10:06 AM |
#83 |
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It's the right wing framing ~ being used by both parties. It's exhausting. n/t |
myrna minx |
Jul-16-11 10:08 AM |
#84 |
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It's a money trust made out of OUR PAYCHECKS |
felix_numinous |
Jul-16-11 10:22 AM |
#85 |
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ABSOLUTELY GAAAAHHD-DAMNED RIGHT, MANNY |
MrMickeysMom |
Jul-16-11 10:25 AM |
#86 |
| -
Hate to say this, but |
Cherchez la Femme |
Jul-16-11 10:44 AM |
#95 |
| -
THAT WAS A TYPO!!! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Jul-17-11 11:53 AM |
#190 |
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SS shouldn't have anything to do with it...but the $2.6 Trillion was "borrowed..." |
Cool Logic |
Jul-16-11 11:02 AM |
#99 |
| -
Kicked and strongly recommended. |
woo me with science |
Jul-16-11 11:03 AM |
#100 |
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But it HAS to do with the debt! |
krispos42 |
Jul-16-11 11:05 AM |
#101 |
| -
So, why doesn't Pres. Obama tell the American people that SS doesn't |
truth2power |
Jul-16-11 11:15 AM |
#103 |
| -
Thank you -- and RW propaganda -- Wall St. Journal built the myth ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-16-11 11:45 AM |
#105 |
| -
Thank you |
varelse |
Jul-16-11 11:59 AM |
#110 |
| -
Good thread, Manny. Some pretty interesting answers to it. |
Stinky The Clown |
Jul-16-11 12:01 PM |
#112 |
| -
Obama should be ashamed of himself |
SSDA |
Jul-16-11 12:03 PM |
#113 |
| -
When 'our' President supports weakening SS |
customerserviceguy |
Jul-16-11 12:32 PM |
#128 |
| -
I was amazed earlier this week... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jul-16-11 01:09 PM |
#138 |
| -
ITA... |
AnneD |
Jul-16-11 01:12 PM |
#139 |
| -
Thank you, Manny |
trud |
Jul-16-11 01:21 PM |
#140 |
| -
I really like the truth. k&r. |
robinlynne |
Jul-16-11 02:02 PM |
#145 |
| -
We ALL understand it. n/t |
Fire1 |
Jul-16-11 02:10 PM |
#146 |
| -
K&R. |
William769 |
Jul-16-11 02:17 PM |
#147 |
| -
Thank you Manny. Class warfare at it's finest. Those who have, want it more. |
geckosfeet |
Jul-16-11 02:28 PM |
#148 |
| -
Kick, Rec and Amen. |
Myrina |
Jul-16-11 02:32 PM |
#149 |
| -
I hope everyone who posts here except for the trolls would get this... |
jimlup |
Jul-16-11 02:52 PM |
#150 |
| -
Debt Ceiling Charade a Move to the Right |
roxiejules |
Jul-16-11 03:46 PM |
#151 |
| -
I really is staggering. |
Javaman |
Jul-16-11 03:50 PM |
#152 |
| -
don't we know |
whathappened |
Jul-17-11 09:54 PM |
#194 |
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I know that. What I wonder is WHY don't I see Dems blanketing the airwaves saying this? |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-16-11 04:23 PM |
#155 |
| -
If the election had not been stolen in 2000 there may have been an understanding by the public |
lunasun |
Jul-16-11 04:50 PM |
#156 |
| -
BUT something needs to be done!!! |
liberal N proud |
Jul-16-11 05:45 PM |
#165 |
| -
they've already grabbed it! |
Pharaoh |
Jul-16-11 05:59 PM |
#166 |
| -
It shouldn't have anything to do with it, but..... |
backtomn |
Jul-16-11 06:13 PM |
#167 |
| -
The "Trust Fund" invested the money in special issue Treasuries - and like all treasuries sold |
DeschutesRiver |
Jul-17-11 09:29 AM |
#186 |
| -
K -- fucking -- R!!! |
DeSwiss |
Jul-16-11 07:04 PM |
#169 |
| -
Manny good point... But I'm thinking that this |
midnight |
Jul-16-11 07:09 PM |
#170 |
| -
I get it, but |
farscape |
Jul-16-11 07:12 PM |
#171 |
| -
When did a law ever stop a politician from spending money? |
DissedByBush |
Jul-16-11 09:05 PM |
#177 |
| -
It has something to do with it. It owns it. |
Orangepeel |
Jul-16-11 09:07 PM |
#178 |
| -
Well said! |
grahamhgreen |
Jul-16-11 09:35 PM |
#180 |
| -
amen |
joanbarnes |
Jul-17-11 08:14 AM |
#185 |
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It is all fun and games until a government defaults on bonds to its own people |
DeschutesRiver |
Jul-17-11 09:59 AM |
#189 |
| -
Well, there's 116 billion a year paid in interest to the SS Trust Fund. |
Kaleva |
Jul-17-11 04:00 PM |
#193 |
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