Threedifferentones
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Fri Jul-15-11 06:06 AM
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| 71. Mixed market economy has no real meaning. |
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Unless everyone owns literally the same things, or there are literally no regulations or taxes on any kind of business, the economy is "mixed."
The question is, how should we mix our economy? To make it easier for people with money to make even more, or to make it easier for hard working commoners to be comfortable and secure?
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| -Why do some people think it is impossible to get rid of capitalism? |
white_wolf |
Jul-13-11 10:28 PM |
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Mixed market economies won the 200 year war over what all our economies would look like. That is |
applegrove |
Jul-13-11 10:30 PM |
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Except capitalism here is a religion. It can do no wrong, even if it destroys everything else. |
freshwest |
Jul-13-11 11:10 PM |
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+1 -- succinctly put, as well. nt |
MADem |
Jul-13-11 11:15 PM |
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Mixed market economy has no real meaning. |
Threedifferentones |
Jul-15-11 06:06 AM |
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As long as the Bourgeoisie... |
Duke Newcombe |
Jul-13-11 10:31 PM |
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Because the next logical step is a post-scarcity society, and we don't have the means yet. |
TheWraith |
Jul-13-11 10:31 PM |
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There's, Uhm, This Thing Called GREED |
ConnorMarc |
Jul-13-11 10:32 PM |
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I'm sure most people thought medieval Europe was in too deep to ever get out of feudalism. |
white_wolf |
Jul-13-11 10:35 PM |
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Things Are Much Different Now |
ConnorMarc |
Jul-13-11 10:52 PM |
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Absolutely. Good post and accurate, too. n/t |
Fire1 |
Jul-15-11 02:04 PM |
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There was this little thing called the Black Death |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-14-11 01:15 AM |
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Black Death preceded capitalism by a couple of centuries, generally... hard to link them methinks. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-15-11 03:46 AM |
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You keep throwing around feudalism. Methinks you really don't know |
cali |
Jul-15-11 06:22 AM |
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What would replace it? |
Klietzlander |
Jul-13-11 10:32 PM |
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Why does it need to be replaced? |
leftstreet |
Jul-13-11 10:47 PM |
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What if I...? |
Klietzlander |
Jul-13-11 10:55 PM |
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Why invent the widget? Because it feels good to invent |
Fool Count |
Jul-13-11 11:48 PM |
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Here is the problem... |
Klietzlander |
Jul-13-11 11:56 PM |
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Capitalism Is Actually Good |
ConnorMarc |
Jul-13-11 10:56 PM |
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Capitalism 'gone mad?' It STARTS that way |
leftstreet |
Jul-13-11 11:00 PM |
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No its not good. |
white_wolf |
Jul-13-11 11:02 PM |
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Capitalism is actually much older than the industrial |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-14-11 01:39 AM |
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The Concept Is Good |
ConnorMarc |
Jul-13-11 11:04 PM |
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"Feudalistic countries" like Cuba? - n/t |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-14-11 01:12 AM |
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Lenin's claim that the countries on the periphery of the capitalist center... |
JVS |
Jul-15-11 03:10 AM |
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Ideology? Cultural hegemony? |
Puregonzo1188 |
Jul-13-11 10:37 PM |
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is it certain that-... |
Klietzlander |
Jul-13-11 10:46 PM |
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Think of capitalism as descriptive, not proscriptive |
Silent3 |
Jul-13-11 10:57 PM |
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History is taught by the capitalists, ww. |
Starry Messenger |
Jul-13-11 11:12 PM |
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It's not so much 'get rid of' or 'replace' |
izquierdista |
Jul-13-11 11:13 PM |
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My favorite comment in this thread so far! |
inna |
Jul-15-11 02:57 AM |
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There you go, latina lefty...... |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 01:54 PM |
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DESPITE BEING AGAINST THE RULES, SOME FOLKS KEEP DOING IT REGARDLESS |
Kaleva |
Jul-13-11 11:18 PM |
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Doing what? |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 01:57 PM |
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Is the alternative Socialism? |
Kablooie |
Jul-13-11 11:24 PM |
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A problem with that model is-... |
Klietzlander |
Jul-13-11 11:26 PM |
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All wealth is derived from the intellectual body |
Zanzoobar |
Jul-13-11 11:40 PM |
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In many cases the quest for profits can stifle innovation. |
white_wolf |
Jul-13-11 11:50 PM |
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This is true of the free apple market, also. |
Zanzoobar |
Jul-13-11 11:53 PM |
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True, but companies like Apple use innovation as the foundation of their profit model. |
Kablooie |
Jul-14-11 01:35 AM |
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I'd like to hear Mao's thoughts on this. |
Kablooie |
Jul-14-11 01:38 AM |
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Ideas have zero marginal cost, they have no real value without arbitrary and artifical enforcement. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 01:06 AM |
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Terribly misguided. |
Zanzoobar |
Jul-14-11 01:15 AM |
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Feel free to substantiate. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 02:29 AM |
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Reasonable licence fees? For a limited length of time....... |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 01:59 PM |
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No they won't sit back and watch the oligarchy dissolve. |
white_wolf |
Jul-13-11 11:33 PM |
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Talk about your shiny objects and distractions. nt |
Maru Kitteh |
Jul-13-11 11:59 PM |
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How is discussing a way to cure the root cause of economic problems a distraction? |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 12:03 AM |
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Mixed Economies. Capitalism+Socialism. or |
OHdem10 |
Jul-14-11 12:24 AM |
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Every place people fantasize emigrating to.... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-14-11 12:35 AM |
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Killing off capitalism |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 12:37 AM |
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Capitalism has served its purpose. |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 12:49 AM |
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Marx was idealistic and delusional |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 12:59 AM |
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You do realize Orwell's Animal Farm was not an attacking on socialism itself |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 01:04 AM |
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Stalinism was socialism... |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 01:26 AM |
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Stalinism was not socialism. |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 01:32 AM |
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That's a valid distinction ... |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 01:39 AM |
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By the same token if capitalism is abused we get the system we see before us today. |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 01:42 AM |
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Agree 100% |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 01:54 AM |
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except... |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 02:05 AM |
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No son, it was STATISM |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-14-11 01:45 AM |
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Marx was delusional? Have you even bothered to read "Das Kapital"? Perhaps |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-14-11 01:24 AM |
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A delusion ... |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 01:36 AM |
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I'm afraid you are the one who is delusional, both as regards |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-15-11 02:09 AM |
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RE: your last sentence. So instead of a system that |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 02:10 PM |
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Given that Marx did not advocate for pure socialism |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-14-11 01:40 AM |
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Now this is what I don't get. People who claim that |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 02:05 PM |
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"the internet itself... the product of capitalism" — wrong. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-15-11 04:14 AM |
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Why do some people think it is impossible to get rid of statism? |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 01:05 AM |
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I actually don't think it is. |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 01:13 AM |
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Grammar Nazi (and Dem Socialist) here: the noun is |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-14-11 01:09 AM |
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Dang too late to edit. |
white_wolf |
Jul-14-11 01:12 AM |
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Some people think it is impossible to get rid of capitalism because |
coalition_unwilling |
Jul-14-11 01:22 AM |
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Divinely ordained, maybe not. |
Zanzoobar |
Jul-14-11 01:31 AM |
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well said |
Whiskeytide |
Jul-14-11 01:53 AM |
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Yes. It's a religion with it's god being |
socialist_n_TN |
Jul-15-11 02:13 PM |
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Because they define it so broadly as to include all human enterprise... |
saras |
Jul-15-11 02:46 AM |
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Nothing lasts forever. Empires end. Everything ends |
cali |
Jul-15-11 02:51 AM |
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Agreed on "feudalism wasn't replaced by capitalism." |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 03:06 AM |
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Because of where the wealth is? Because weaponry of the wealthy is not Medieval? Because "working" |
WinkyDink |
Jul-15-11 06:26 AM |
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because it survived the biggest challenge its likely to face |
Enrique |
Jul-15-11 06:46 AM |
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Capitalism isn't good or bad, it just *is*. |
reformist2 |
Jul-15-11 07:19 AM |
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All you have to do is cross the ocean and start a new country in the New World. |
JoePhilly |
Jul-15-11 07:23 AM |
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Because capitalism is the natural expression of how humans deal with one another |
WatsonT |
Jul-15-11 09:22 AM |
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I think the real problem is we need to quit putting Democracy, |
Rex |
Jul-15-11 01:59 PM |
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