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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:35 AM
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51. True, but companies like Apple use innovation as the foundation of their profit model.
The innovative will always be the special minority while the dull unimaginative will always be the norm.
That's not because of an economic system, it's just the basic law of averages for the human race.
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  -Why do some people think it is impossible to get rid of capitalism? white_wolf  Jul-13-11 10:28 PM   #0 
  - Mixed market economies won the 200 year war over what all our economies would look like. That is  applegrove   Jul-13-11 10:30 PM   #1 
  - Except capitalism here is a religion. It can do no wrong, even if it destroys everything else.  freshwest   Jul-13-11 11:10 PM   #17 
  - +1 -- succinctly put, as well. nt  MADem   Jul-13-11 11:15 PM   #20 
  - Mixed market economy has no real meaning.  Threedifferentones   Jul-15-11 06:06 AM   #71 
  - As long as the Bourgeoisie...  Duke Newcombe   Jul-13-11 10:31 PM   #2 
  - Because the next logical step is a post-scarcity society, and we don't have the means yet.  TheWraith   Jul-13-11 10:31 PM   #3 
  - There's, Uhm, This Thing Called GREED  ConnorMarc   Jul-13-11 10:32 PM   #4 
  - I'm sure most people thought medieval Europe was in too deep to ever get out of feudalism.  white_wolf   Jul-13-11 10:35 PM   #6 
     - Things Are Much Different Now  ConnorMarc   Jul-13-11 10:52 PM   #10 
     - Absolutely. Good post and accurate, too. n/t  Fire1   Jul-15-11 02:04 PM   #82 
     - There was this little thing called the Black Death  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-14-11 01:15 AM   #44 
     - Black Death preceded capitalism by a couple of centuries, generally... hard to link them methinks.  LooseWilly   Jul-15-11 03:46 AM   #69 
     - You keep throwing around feudalism. Methinks you really don't know  cali   Jul-15-11 06:22 AM   #72 
  - What would replace it?  Klietzlander   Jul-13-11 10:32 PM   #5 
  - Why does it need to be replaced?  leftstreet   Jul-13-11 10:47 PM   #9 
  - What if I...?  Klietzlander   Jul-13-11 10:55 PM   #11 
  - Why invent the widget? Because it feels good to invent  Fool Count   Jul-13-11 11:48 PM   #26 
     - Here is the problem...  Klietzlander   Jul-13-11 11:56 PM   #29 
  - Capitalism Is Actually Good  ConnorMarc   Jul-13-11 10:56 PM   #12 
     - Capitalism 'gone mad?' It STARTS that way  leftstreet   Jul-13-11 11:00 PM   #14 
     - No its not good.  white_wolf   Jul-13-11 11:02 PM   #15 
     - Capitalism is actually much older than the industrial  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-14-11 01:39 AM   #54 
     - The Concept Is Good  ConnorMarc   Jul-13-11 11:04 PM   #16 
  - "Feudalistic countries" like Cuba? - n/t  coalition_unwilling   Jul-14-11 01:12 AM   #42 
     - Lenin's claim that the countries on the periphery of the capitalist center...  JVS   Jul-15-11 03:10 AM   #68 
  - Ideology? Cultural hegemony?  Puregonzo1188   Jul-13-11 10:37 PM   #7 
  - is it certain that-...  Klietzlander   Jul-13-11 10:46 PM   #8 
  - Think of capitalism as descriptive, not proscriptive  Silent3   Jul-13-11 10:57 PM   #13 
  - History is taught by the capitalists, ww.  Starry Messenger   Jul-13-11 11:12 PM   #18 
  - It's not so much 'get rid of' or 'replace'  izquierdista   Jul-13-11 11:13 PM   #19 
  - My favorite comment in this thread so far!  inna   Jul-15-11 02:57 AM   #66 
  - There you go, latina lefty......  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 01:54 PM   #78 
  - Doing what?  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 01:57 PM   #79 
  - Is the alternative Socialism?  Kablooie   Jul-13-11 11:24 PM   #22 
  - A problem with that model is-...  Klietzlander   Jul-13-11 11:26 PM   #23 
  - All wealth is derived from the intellectual body  Zanzoobar   Jul-13-11 11:40 PM   #25 
  - In many cases the quest for profits can stifle innovation.  white_wolf   Jul-13-11 11:50 PM   #27 
  - This is true of the free apple market, also.  Zanzoobar   Jul-13-11 11:53 PM   #28 
  - True, but companies like Apple use innovation as the foundation of their profit model.  Kablooie   Jul-14-11 01:35 AM   #51 
  - I'd like to hear Mao's thoughts on this.  Kablooie   Jul-14-11 01:38 AM   #53 
  - Ideas have zero marginal cost, they have no real value without arbitrary and artifical enforcement.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 01:06 AM   #39 
  - Terribly misguided.  Zanzoobar   Jul-14-11 01:15 AM   #45 
     - Feel free to substantiate.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 02:29 AM   #62 
  - Reasonable licence fees? For a limited length of time.......  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 01:59 PM   #80 
  - No they won't sit back and watch the oligarchy dissolve.  white_wolf   Jul-13-11 11:33 PM   #24 
  - Talk about your shiny objects and distractions. nt  Maru Kitteh   Jul-13-11 11:59 PM   #30 
  - How is discussing a way to cure the root cause of economic problems a distraction?  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 12:03 AM   #31 
  - Mixed Economies. Capitalism+Socialism. or  OHdem10   Jul-14-11 12:24 AM   #32 
  - Every place people fantasize emigrating to....  Davis_X_Machina   Jul-14-11 12:35 AM   #33 
  - Killing off capitalism  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 12:37 AM   #34 
  - Capitalism has served its purpose.  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 12:49 AM   #35 
  - Marx was idealistic and delusional  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 12:59 AM   #36 
     - You do realize Orwell's Animal Farm was not an attacking on socialism itself  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 01:04 AM   #37 
     - Stalinism was socialism...  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 01:26 AM   #48 
        - Stalinism was not socialism.  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 01:32 AM   #50 
        - That's a valid distinction ...  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 01:39 AM   #55 
           - By the same token if capitalism is abused we get the system we see before us today.  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 01:42 AM   #57 
              - Agree 100%  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 01:54 AM   #60 
              - except...  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 02:05 AM   #61 
        - No son, it was STATISM  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-14-11 01:45 AM   #58 
     - Marx was delusional? Have you even bothered to read "Das Kapital"? Perhaps  coalition_unwilling   Jul-14-11 01:24 AM   #47 
     - A delusion ...  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 01:36 AM   #52 
        - I'm afraid you are the one who is delusional, both as regards  coalition_unwilling   Jul-15-11 02:09 AM   #63 
        - RE: your last sentence. So instead of a system that  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 02:10 PM   #84 
     - Given that Marx did not advocate for pure socialism  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-14-11 01:40 AM   #56 
     - Now this is what I don't get. People who claim that  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 02:05 PM   #83 
  - "the internet itself... the product of capitalism" wrong.  LooseWilly   Jul-15-11 04:14 AM   #70 
  - Why do some people think it is impossible to get rid of statism?  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 01:05 AM   #38 
  - I actually don't think it is.  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 01:13 AM   #43 
  - Grammar Nazi (and Dem Socialist) here: the noun is  coalition_unwilling   Jul-14-11 01:09 AM   #40 
  - Dang too late to edit.  white_wolf   Jul-14-11 01:12 AM   #41 
  - Some people think it is impossible to get rid of capitalism because  coalition_unwilling   Jul-14-11 01:22 AM   #46 
  - Divinely ordained, maybe not.  Zanzoobar   Jul-14-11 01:31 AM   #49 
  - well said  Whiskeytide   Jul-14-11 01:53 AM   #59 
  - Yes. It's a religion with it's god being  socialist_n_TN   Jul-15-11 02:13 PM   #85 
  - Because they define it so broadly as to include all human enterprise...  saras   Jul-15-11 02:46 AM   #64 
  - Nothing lasts forever. Empires end. Everything ends  cali   Jul-15-11 02:51 AM   #65 
  - Agreed on "feudalism wasn't replaced by capitalism."  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 03:06 AM   #67 
  - Because of where the wealth is? Because weaponry of the wealthy is not Medieval? Because "working"  WinkyDink   Jul-15-11 06:26 AM   #73 
  - because it survived the biggest challenge its likely to face  Enrique   Jul-15-11 06:46 AM   #74 
  - Capitalism isn't good or bad, it just *is*.  reformist2   Jul-15-11 07:19 AM   #75 
  - All you have to do is cross the ocean and start a new country in the New World.  JoePhilly   Jul-15-11 07:23 AM   #76 
  - Because capitalism is the natural expression of how humans deal with one another  WatsonT   Jul-15-11 09:22 AM   #77 
  - I think the real problem is we need to quit putting Democracy,  Rex   Jul-15-11 01:59 PM   #81 

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