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Palmer Eldritch Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 02:59 PM
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139. "I can only imagine they are cuts" That's your problem.
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  -Watching Obama on CSPAN. He just said he's open to SS, Medicare, Medicaid "Changes" jtown1123  Jul-11-11 10:16 AM   #0 
  - Look both words up in the dictionary.  lamp_shade   Jul-11-11 10:17 AM   #1 
  - Don't be absurd. I've been following Obama on Entitlements for Two years  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:18 AM   #2 
  - Does "trim"  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 12:35 PM   #107 
  - When speaking in relation to costs, what else could changes mean?  tekisui   Jul-11-11 10:19 AM   #4 
  - as in raising the cap would Strengthen the Programs  FreakinDJ   Jul-11-11 10:34 AM   #35 
     - That is not even an option right now.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:37 AM   #41 
  - What "changes" that are beneficial do you think can be passed and what would have to be traded to  TheKentuckian   Jul-11-11 10:50 AM   #56 
  - "leaner, meaner" government. I don't want a 'meaner' government... n/t  PoliticAverse   Jul-11-11 10:18 AM   #3 
  - I don't want a leaner one either. I just want a more equitably funded one.  tekisui   Jul-11-11 10:20 AM   #5 
  - Agreed. This is incredibly disturbing.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:21 AM   #6 
  - Of course that is what he means. Only the willfully blind deny it.  tekisui   Jul-11-11 10:22 AM   #8 
     - There are many of those on DU  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:39 AM   #46 
  - Haiti has a lean, mean government. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-11-11 12:21 PM   #98 
     - And then there's Somalia, the teabagger's paradise. n/t  QC   Jul-11-11 12:21 PM   #99 
     - Haiti has higher government spending as part of GDP than the US  Recursion   Jul-11-11 02:40 PM   #132 
  - I heard that too! It was an UNFORTUNATE choice of words on Obama's part.  CTyankee   Jul-11-11 02:43 PM   #135 
  - "I'm prepared to take on significant heat from my party ..."  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:22 AM   #7 
  - There you have it folks. He just said he wants to extend payroll tax holiday again too...  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #11 
  - Yes, heard that as well. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 10:25 AM   #19 
  - I am so done with this passing for being 'statesmanlike'  merbex   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #12 
  - Yes. Cutting SS doesn't reduce the deficit so why do it?  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:26 AM   #22 
     - There is NO OTHER thing to do except ask yourself  merbex   Jul-11-11 10:29 AM   #27 
     - Some far off generation  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 12:40 PM   #109 
     - Defunding it to run it into the ground making way for privitazation. This is surely a compromise  Erose999   Jul-11-11 10:32 AM   #31 
     - Sure it does  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:45 AM   #90 
     - Was wondering that too  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 12:38 PM   #108 
        - Because it does contribute to the deficit, or at least it will in coming years  Recursion   Jul-11-11 02:42 PM   #134 
  - He's been preparing for this since he was elected, probably before.  CrossChris   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 10:25 AM   #17 
     - I feel like this is an experiment in how far the Dem base will follow a Repub with a D by his name.  CrossChris   Jul-11-11 10:29 AM   #28 
        - Yep.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:43 AM   #49 
        - I think you actually nailed it there. n/t  NorthCarolina   Jul-11-11 10:45 AM   #51 
        - Boo-yah  derby378   Jul-11-11 12:32 PM   #106 
  - He'd better be prepared to take a hefty dose of abandonment.  gkhouston   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #14 
  - So I guess that means we won't like the changes.  Marrah_G   Jul-11-11 10:24 AM   #16 
  - Yep. I feel ill.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:25 AM   #18 
  - Exactly, what else could it mean. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:52 AM   #60 
  - what else could that mean  shanti   Jul-11-11 10:58 AM   #74 
  - Yep.  muffin1   Jul-11-11 12:25 PM   #101 
  - He'd better be prepared to be a one term president too then  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-11-11 12:26 PM   #102 
  - He doesn't give a shit about his party  Doctor_J   Jul-11-11 01:00 PM   #117 
  - Does he know he can kiss his 2nd term goodbye if he backs these 'changes?'  Dappleganger   Jul-11-11 01:39 PM   #127 
  - Unless he means more people will get more benefits.......  Marrah_G   Jul-11-11 10:23 AM   #9 
  - I'm ready to relocate to Canada myself. nt  obxhead   Jul-11-11 10:29 AM   #26 
  - Huge waiting list and tough to emigrate there  Marrah_G   Jul-11-11 10:35 AM   #36 
  - I agree on the relocation part. I'm totally numb. IF the President meant more people  snappyturtle   Jul-11-11 10:48 AM   #54 
  - Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes (Turn and face the strain)  Ichingcarpenter   Jul-11-11 10:23 AM   #10 
  - All those programs were designed to be "governed" - that's the job  bhikkhu   Jul-11-11 10:25 AM   #20 
  - It almost sounds like it is more important to the president  Angry Dragon   Jul-11-11 10:26 AM   #21 
  - Wow, I've never gotten *that* feeling before.  gkhouston   Jul-11-11 10:26 AM   #23 
  - "making sure"... "Social Security"... "is strengthened". n/t  PoliticAverse   Jul-11-11 10:33 AM   #33 
     - "My experience with John Boehner has been good". n/t  PoliticAverse   Jul-11-11 10:46 AM   #52 
     - "Destroy village"..."to save it". n/t  gkhouston   Jul-11-11 12:53 PM   #112 
  - Did you not hear him say if they don't give he won't sign a deal? nt  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:31 AM   #30 
  - Yes. Right up there with "public option" and "out of Iraq."  WinkyDink   Jul-11-11 10:50 AM   #57 
  - Sigh. nt  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:53 AM   #63 
  - Brilliant riposte. Let's see: history vs. what?  WinkyDink   Jul-11-11 10:56 AM   #69 
     - Honestly, WinkyDink. Put me down all you want, but I just don't  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:58 AM   #73 
  - Oh, and don't forget "end the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250K"  kath   Jul-11-11 02:28 PM   #131 
  - A) He was talking about from the current ZERO revenue position  TheKentuckian   Jul-11-11 02:58 PM   #138 
  - I would suggest he and his family are not giving up anything  Marrah_G   Jul-11-11 10:32 AM   #32 
     - But he said he could very well afford to pay more taxes. Haven't  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:45 AM   #50 
        - It's not what is said that matters  Aerows   Jul-11-11 10:53 AM   #62 
           - And nothing has been DONE yet. We'll ALL have more gray hair  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:59 AM   #76 
  - Chip Reid should crawl back under his rock.  DainBramaged   Jul-11-11 10:28 AM   #24 
  - "No one is talking about raising taxes"  abelenkpe   Jul-11-11 10:28 AM   #25 
  - Of course not  Marrah_G   Jul-11-11 10:33 AM   #34 
  - Good, he should have further made the point that the middle class  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:52 AM   #61 
     - shame he wasn't able to understand how that point is rather important.  Divine Discontent   Jul-11-11 02:45 PM   #136 
  - He said "meaningful" changes that preserve the integrity of the services  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:30 AM   #29 
  - He just said he is going to piss off his own party. Open your eyes. Outrage will not be postponed  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:35 AM   #38 
  - AND they're going to piss off the Republican Party. Don't fucking tell  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:47 AM   #53 
  - OK so don't be proactive. W/e.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:51 AM   #58 
     - What are YOU doing to be proactive? Please share and perhaps I  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:54 AM   #66 
        - I've been calling the White House, my reps, and trying to alert everyone  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 11:14 AM   #81 
           - I have been, too -- and I've been posting about it and encouraging  gateley   Jul-11-11 11:42 AM   #87 
  - Outrage will not be postponed by facts  tabasco   Jul-11-11 07:02 PM   #146 
  - He has proposed further suspending COLA's which is basically the same as cutting bennies.  Erose999   Jul-11-11 10:36 AM   #39 
  - Do we really know he has done that? (I won't be a bitch and  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:49 AM   #55 
  - Link here:  Erose999   Jul-11-11 11:36 AM   #85 
  - Well it's the "according to sources" that makes me roll my eyes, but  gateley   Jul-11-11 12:03 PM   #94 
  - He said he is considering  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 12:56 PM   #113 
  - COLAs were never suspended  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:47 AM   #92 
  - Could be wrong, but I think the talk of doing something with prescription drug costs...  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:38 AM   #44 
  - Ah, thanks for the explanation. So, maybe Dean was referring to  gateley   Jul-11-11 10:51 AM   #59 
     - You're welcome, it was a great idea, but would be very difficult to do now IMHO. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:58 AM   #75 
  - Sorry, this lack of specifics as to what he is advocating is a tactic  Bluenorthwest   Jul-11-11 10:59 AM   #77 
  - I do NOT think no one should discuss or speak their own minds,  gateley   Jul-11-11 11:12 AM   #79 
  - I agree...  YvonneCa   Jul-11-11 01:39 PM   #126 
     - It's worth a lot! I'm usually standing alone!  gateley   Jul-11-11 02:02 PM   #130 
        - While I do disagree with the President on some...  YvonneCa   Jul-11-11 09:18 PM   #147 
  - +!  KoKo   Jul-11-11 12:18 PM   #97 
  - O M G +1000  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-11-11 12:28 PM   #103 
  - Bravo/a!  dana_b   Jul-11-11 01:17 PM   #123 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Jul-11-11 12:41 PM   #110 
  - Obama's wrong. He's not open to those changes. I know b/c I read it on DU.  Karmadillo   Jul-11-11 10:35 AM   #37 
  - Thought it was just chained CPI  abelenkpe   Jul-11-11 10:37 AM   #40 
  - Oh now you've done it.......The tweed hats will call us whiners again  divvy   Jul-11-11 10:37 AM   #42 
  - And he also said that social securty did not cause the deficit. nt  mfcorey1   Jul-11-11 10:38 AM   #43 
  - he was careful to say not a "primary" driver. Bullshit, Doesn't contribute at all  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:43 AM   #48 
     - Again, yes it will  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:50 AM   #93 
  - "It is hard to persuade people to do hard stuff that entails trimming benefits"  woo me with science   Jul-11-11 10:39 AM   #45 
  - Weasel words. n/t  theophilus   Jul-11-11 10:43 AM   #47 
  - Well chosen weasel words. nt  snappyturtle   Jul-11-11 10:54 AM   #65 
  - Imagine all you want; improving systems, making them rational  elleng   Jul-11-11 10:53 AM   #64 
  - Um--hmmmm. That's called the sugar-coating on the bitter pill of "compromise."  WinkyDink   Jul-11-11 10:55 AM   #67 
     - Since when is 'compromise' a bitter pill?  elleng   Jul-11-11 10:58 AM   #72 
        - Depends on the compromise. Some compromises have lead  Bluenorthwest   Jul-11-11 11:07 AM   #78 
           - What if the cannibals just eat our legs?  QC   Jul-11-11 12:23 PM   #100 
              - There are people that would defend the status quo even as they are dragged out of bed  EFerrari   Jul-11-11 12:29 PM   #104 
                 - Yep. n/t  QC   Jul-11-11 12:29 PM   #105 
  - semantics are meaningless at this point - he can call them whatever he wants  ProfessionalLeftist   Jul-11-11 10:56 AM   #68 
  - changes....  shanti   Jul-11-11 10:56 AM   #70 
  - Talking about the infrastructure bank ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:57 AM   #71 
  - Medicare and Medicaid cost controls are already in HCR, and we need more  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:13 AM   #80 
  - Obama ran on raising the cap. That increases the revenue  Bluenorthwest   Jul-11-11 11:27 AM   #82 
     - There's this quaint little debating club called Congress  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:35 AM   #83 
     - Snowball chance in hell those revenue raisers are being considerec  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 11:46 AM   #91 
        - yeah the only thing he mentioned he is considering is  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 01:10 PM   #122 
  - right  Broderick   Jul-11-11 11:36 AM   #84 
  - It's this simple: we must endorse a primary challenger.  JackDragna   Jul-11-11 11:38 AM   #86 
  - Oh for God's sake  Recursion   Jul-11-11 11:44 AM   #88 
  - If you think this is going to be a "cost control"...  JackDragna   Jul-11-11 12:09 PM   #95 
     - We don't "suddenly" need cost controls we have since the 1990s  Recursion   Jul-11-11 12:15 PM   #96 
        - Baloney. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-11-11 12:43 PM   #111 
  - +1  mr clean   Jul-11-11 11:44 AM   #89 
  - I will support a primary challenger  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 12:58 PM   #114 
  - Not. Happening.  JoePhilly   Jul-11-11 01:00 PM   #118 
     - Perhaps not.  JackDragna   Jul-11-11 02:59 PM   #140 
        - Better get busy creating a challenger I guess.  JoePhilly   Jul-11-11 04:40 PM   #145 
  - Why woN'T he even mention the need to raise OR ELIMINATE the payroll income CAP?  supraTruth   Jul-11-11 01:00 PM   #115 
  - SD  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 01:06 PM   #120 
  - The DU version of "death panels" ... Obama plans to kill granny!!!!  JoePhilly   Jul-11-11 01:00 PM   #116 
  - No he is just putting up important programs on the chopping block.  tekisui   Jul-11-11 01:04 PM   #119 
     - He is not the worst President ever  Liberalynn   Jul-11-11 01:08 PM   #121 
     - Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad  JoePhilly   Jul-11-11 01:31 PM   #124 
     - You attempt to deflect debate with your silly hyperbole.  tekisui   Jul-11-11 01:38 PM   #125 
        - So your point is that there can be no discussion of "changes" to  JoePhilly   Jul-11-11 01:50 PM   #128 
           - Any changes, in this context, relate to reducing the deficit, or cuts  tekisui   Jul-11-11 01:53 PM   #129 
     - the only way to cut these programs is to have the Dems do it.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 02:42 PM   #133 
     - "PROGRAMS" and "ENTITLEMENT BENEFITS" are two  Fire1   Jul-11-11 03:00 PM   #141 
     - "Programs" WILL be cut if the debt ceiling is not raised.  Fire1   Jul-11-11 04:12 PM   #143 
  - I don't think he would insult the intelligence of the public,  Fire1   Jul-11-11 02:57 PM   #137 
  - "I can only imagine they are cuts" That's your problem.  Palmer Eldritch   Jul-11-11 02:59 PM   #139 
  - If I understand your meaning, thank you! n/t  Fire1   Jul-11-11 03:20 PM   #142 
  - Well we are not.  glinda   Jul-11-11 04:35 PM   #144 

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