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Mon Jul-11-11 10:26 AM
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| 22. Yes. Cutting SS doesn't reduce the deficit so why do it? |
| -Watching Obama on CSPAN. He just said he's open to SS, Medicare, Medicaid "Changes" |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:16 AM |
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Look both words up in the dictionary. |
lamp_shade |
Jul-11-11 10:17 AM |
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Don't be absurd. I've been following Obama on Entitlements for Two years |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:18 AM |
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Does "trim" |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 12:35 PM |
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When speaking in relation to costs, what else could changes mean? |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 10:19 AM |
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as in raising the cap would Strengthen the Programs |
FreakinDJ |
Jul-11-11 10:34 AM |
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That is not even an option right now. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:37 AM |
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What "changes" that are beneficial do you think can be passed and what would have to be traded to |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-11-11 10:50 AM |
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"leaner, meaner" government. I don't want a 'meaner' government... n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-11-11 10:18 AM |
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I don't want a leaner one either. I just want a more equitably funded one. |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 10:20 AM |
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Agreed. This is incredibly disturbing. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:21 AM |
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Of course that is what he means. Only the willfully blind deny it. |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 10:22 AM |
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There are many of those on DU |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:39 AM |
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Haiti has a lean, mean government. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-11-11 12:21 PM |
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And then there's Somalia, the teabagger's paradise. n/t |
QC |
Jul-11-11 12:21 PM |
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Haiti has higher government spending as part of GDP than the US |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 02:40 PM |
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I heard that too! It was an UNFORTUNATE choice of words on Obama's part. |
CTyankee |
Jul-11-11 02:43 PM |
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"I'm prepared to take on significant heat from my party ..." |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:22 AM |
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There you have it folks. He just said he wants to extend payroll tax holiday again too... |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
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Yes, heard that as well. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
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Jul-11-11 10:25 AM |
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I am so done with this passing for being 'statesmanlike' |
merbex |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
#12 |
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Yes. Cutting SS doesn't reduce the deficit so why do it? |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:26 AM |
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There is NO OTHER thing to do except ask yourself |
merbex |
Jul-11-11 10:29 AM |
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Some far off generation |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 12:40 PM |
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Defunding it to run it into the ground making way for privitazation. This is surely a compromise |
Erose999 |
Jul-11-11 10:32 AM |
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Sure it does |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:45 AM |
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Was wondering that too |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 12:38 PM |
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Because it does contribute to the deficit, or at least it will in coming years |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 02:42 PM |
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He's been preparing for this since he was elected, probably before. |
CrossChris |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
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Jul-11-11 10:25 AM |
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I feel like this is an experiment in how far the Dem base will follow a Repub with a D by his name. |
CrossChris |
Jul-11-11 10:29 AM |
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Yep. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:43 AM |
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I think you actually nailed it there. n/t |
NorthCarolina |
Jul-11-11 10:45 AM |
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Boo-yah |
derby378 |
Jul-11-11 12:32 PM |
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He'd better be prepared to take a hefty dose of abandonment. |
gkhouston |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
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So I guess that means we won't like the changes. |
Marrah_G |
Jul-11-11 10:24 AM |
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Yep. I feel ill. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:25 AM |
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Exactly, what else could it mean. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:52 AM |
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what else could that mean |
shanti |
Jul-11-11 10:58 AM |
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Yep. |
muffin1 |
Jul-11-11 12:25 PM |
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He'd better be prepared to be a one term president too then |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jul-11-11 12:26 PM |
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He doesn't give a shit about his party |
Doctor_J |
Jul-11-11 01:00 PM |
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Does he know he can kiss his 2nd term goodbye if he backs these 'changes?' |
Dappleganger |
Jul-11-11 01:39 PM |
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Unless he means more people will get more benefits....... |
Marrah_G |
Jul-11-11 10:23 AM |
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I'm ready to relocate to Canada myself. nt |
obxhead |
Jul-11-11 10:29 AM |
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Huge waiting list and tough to emigrate there |
Marrah_G |
Jul-11-11 10:35 AM |
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I agree on the relocation part. I'm totally numb. IF the President meant more people |
snappyturtle |
Jul-11-11 10:48 AM |
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Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes (Turn and face the strain) |
Ichingcarpenter |
Jul-11-11 10:23 AM |
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All those programs were designed to be "governed" - that's the job |
bhikkhu |
Jul-11-11 10:25 AM |
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It almost sounds like it is more important to the president |
Angry Dragon |
Jul-11-11 10:26 AM |
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Wow, I've never gotten *that* feeling before. |
gkhouston |
Jul-11-11 10:26 AM |
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"making sure"... "Social Security"... "is strengthened". n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-11-11 10:33 AM |
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"My experience with John Boehner has been good". n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-11-11 10:46 AM |
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"Destroy village"..."to save it". n/t |
gkhouston |
Jul-11-11 12:53 PM |
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Did you not hear him say if they don't give he won't sign a deal? nt |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:31 AM |
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Yes. Right up there with "public option" and "out of Iraq." |
WinkyDink |
Jul-11-11 10:50 AM |
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Sigh. nt |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:53 AM |
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Brilliant riposte. Let's see: history vs. what? |
WinkyDink |
Jul-11-11 10:56 AM |
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Honestly, WinkyDink. Put me down all you want, but I just don't |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:58 AM |
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Oh, and don't forget "end the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250K" |
kath |
Jul-11-11 02:28 PM |
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A) He was talking about from the current ZERO revenue position |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-11-11 02:58 PM |
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I would suggest he and his family are not giving up anything |
Marrah_G |
Jul-11-11 10:32 AM |
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But he said he could very well afford to pay more taxes. Haven't |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:45 AM |
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It's not what is said that matters |
Aerows |
Jul-11-11 10:53 AM |
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And nothing has been DONE yet. We'll ALL have more gray hair |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:59 AM |
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Chip Reid should crawl back under his rock. |
DainBramaged |
Jul-11-11 10:28 AM |
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"No one is talking about raising taxes" |
abelenkpe |
Jul-11-11 10:28 AM |
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Of course not |
Marrah_G |
Jul-11-11 10:33 AM |
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Good, he should have further made the point that the middle class |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:52 AM |
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shame he wasn't able to understand how that point is rather important. |
Divine Discontent |
Jul-11-11 02:45 PM |
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He said "meaningful" changes that preserve the integrity of the services |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:30 AM |
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He just said he is going to piss off his own party. Open your eyes. Outrage will not be postponed |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:35 AM |
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AND they're going to piss off the Republican Party. Don't fucking tell |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:47 AM |
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OK so don't be proactive. W/e. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:51 AM |
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What are YOU doing to be proactive? Please share and perhaps I |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:54 AM |
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I've been calling the White House, my reps, and trying to alert everyone |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 11:14 AM |
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I have been, too -- and I've been posting about it and encouraging |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 11:42 AM |
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Outrage will not be postponed by facts |
tabasco |
Jul-11-11 07:02 PM |
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He has proposed further suspending COLA's which is basically the same as cutting bennies. |
Erose999 |
Jul-11-11 10:36 AM |
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Do we really know he has done that? (I won't be a bitch and |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:49 AM |
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Link here: |
Erose999 |
Jul-11-11 11:36 AM |
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Well it's the "according to sources" that makes me roll my eyes, but |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 12:03 PM |
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He said he is considering |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 12:56 PM |
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COLAs were never suspended |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:47 AM |
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Could be wrong, but I think the talk of doing something with prescription drug costs... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:38 AM |
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Ah, thanks for the explanation. So, maybe Dean was referring to |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 10:51 AM |
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You're welcome, it was a great idea, but would be very difficult to do now IMHO. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:58 AM |
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Sorry, this lack of specifics as to what he is advocating is a tactic |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-11-11 10:59 AM |
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I do NOT think no one should discuss or speak their own minds, |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 11:12 AM |
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I agree... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-11-11 01:39 PM |
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It's worth a lot! I'm usually standing alone! |
gateley |
Jul-11-11 02:02 PM |
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While I do disagree with the President on some... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-11-11 09:18 PM |
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+! |
KoKo |
Jul-11-11 12:18 PM |
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O M G +1000 |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jul-11-11 12:28 PM |
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Bravo/a! |
dana_b |
Jul-11-11 01:17 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
Jul-11-11 12:41 PM |
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Obama's wrong. He's not open to those changes. I know b/c I read it on DU. |
Karmadillo |
Jul-11-11 10:35 AM |
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Thought it was just chained CPI |
abelenkpe |
Jul-11-11 10:37 AM |
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Oh now you've done it.......The tweed hats will call us whiners again |
divvy |
Jul-11-11 10:37 AM |
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And he also said that social securty did not cause the deficit. nt |
mfcorey1 |
Jul-11-11 10:38 AM |
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he was careful to say not a "primary" driver. Bullshit, Doesn't contribute at all |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 10:43 AM |
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Again, yes it will |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:50 AM |
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"It is hard to persuade people to do hard stuff that entails trimming benefits" |
woo me with science |
Jul-11-11 10:39 AM |
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Weasel words. n/t |
theophilus |
Jul-11-11 10:43 AM |
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Well chosen weasel words. nt |
snappyturtle |
Jul-11-11 10:54 AM |
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Imagine all you want; improving systems, making them rational |
elleng |
Jul-11-11 10:53 AM |
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Um--hmmmm. That's called the sugar-coating on the bitter pill of "compromise." |
WinkyDink |
Jul-11-11 10:55 AM |
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Since when is 'compromise' a bitter pill? |
elleng |
Jul-11-11 10:58 AM |
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Depends on the compromise. Some compromises have lead |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-11-11 11:07 AM |
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What if the cannibals just eat our legs? |
QC |
Jul-11-11 12:23 PM |
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There are people that would defend the status quo even as they are dragged out of bed |
EFerrari |
Jul-11-11 12:29 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
QC |
Jul-11-11 12:29 PM |
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semantics are meaningless at this point - he can call them whatever he wants |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jul-11-11 10:56 AM |
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changes.... |
shanti |
Jul-11-11 10:56 AM |
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Talking about the infrastructure bank ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-11-11 10:57 AM |
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Medicare and Medicaid cost controls are already in HCR, and we need more |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:13 AM |
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Obama ran on raising the cap. That increases the revenue |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-11-11 11:27 AM |
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There's this quaint little debating club called Congress |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:35 AM |
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Snowball chance in hell those revenue raisers are being considerec |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 11:46 AM |
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yeah the only thing he mentioned he is considering is |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 01:10 PM |
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right |
Broderick |
Jul-11-11 11:36 AM |
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It's this simple: we must endorse a primary challenger. |
JackDragna |
Jul-11-11 11:38 AM |
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Oh for God's sake |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 11:44 AM |
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If you think this is going to be a "cost control"... |
JackDragna |
Jul-11-11 12:09 PM |
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We don't "suddenly" need cost controls we have since the 1990s |
Recursion |
Jul-11-11 12:15 PM |
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Baloney. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-11-11 12:43 PM |
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+1 |
mr clean |
Jul-11-11 11:44 AM |
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I will support a primary challenger |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 12:58 PM |
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Not. Happening. |
JoePhilly |
Jul-11-11 01:00 PM |
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Perhaps not. |
JackDragna |
Jul-11-11 02:59 PM |
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Better get busy creating a challenger I guess. |
JoePhilly |
Jul-11-11 04:40 PM |
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Why woN'T he even mention the need to raise OR ELIMINATE the payroll income CAP? |
supraTruth |
Jul-11-11 01:00 PM |
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SD |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 01:06 PM |
#120 |
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The DU version of "death panels" ... Obama plans to kill granny!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Jul-11-11 01:00 PM |
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No he is just putting up important programs on the chopping block. |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 01:04 PM |
#119 |
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He is not the worst President ever |
Liberalynn |
Jul-11-11 01:08 PM |
#121 |
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Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
JoePhilly |
Jul-11-11 01:31 PM |
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You attempt to deflect debate with your silly hyperbole. |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 01:38 PM |
#125 |
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So your point is that there can be no discussion of "changes" to |
JoePhilly |
Jul-11-11 01:50 PM |
#128 |
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Any changes, in this context, relate to reducing the deficit, or cuts |
tekisui |
Jul-11-11 01:53 PM |
#129 |
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the only way to cut these programs is to have the Dems do it. |
jtown1123 |
Jul-11-11 02:42 PM |
#133 |
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"PROGRAMS" and "ENTITLEMENT BENEFITS" are two |
Fire1 |
Jul-11-11 03:00 PM |
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"Programs" WILL be cut if the debt ceiling is not raised. |
Fire1 |
Jul-11-11 04:12 PM |
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I don't think he would insult the intelligence of the public, |
Fire1 |
Jul-11-11 02:57 PM |
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"I can only imagine they are cuts" That's your problem. |
Palmer Eldritch |
Jul-11-11 02:59 PM |
#139 |
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If I understand your meaning, thank you! n/t |
Fire1 |
Jul-11-11 03:20 PM |
#142 |
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Well we are not. |
glinda |
Jul-11-11 04:35 PM |
#144 |
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