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10. Absolutely NOTHING!
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  -What does Social Security have to do with the Deficit, Debt, Debt Ceiling? sabrina 1  Jul-10-11 06:18 PM   #0 
  - Nothing.  Cleita   Jul-10-11 06:19 PM   #1 
  - It's a pool of available money and can be used instead of the rich paying taxes.  SharonAnn   Jul-11-11 05:11 PM   #109 
  - Nothing. I take it your question is rhetorical.  indurancevile   Jul-10-11 06:20 PM   #2 
  - Well, is should be rhetorical as it should go without saying  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 06:42 PM   #7 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-10-11 06:51 PM   #9 
  - Because no one cares about a "trust fund"  Sgent   Jul-10-11 06:21 PM   #3 
  - You do understand that we, the people who paid into SS,  Big Blue Marble   Jul-10-11 09:47 PM   #26 
     - + 1000 n/t  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 10:32 PM   #33 
     - +10000 nt  woo me with science   Jul-10-11 10:56 PM   #42 
     - No we aren't  Sgent   Jul-10-11 11:27 PM   #45 
     - Not us individually,  Big Blue Marble   Jul-11-11 01:04 AM   #61 
        - Thank you.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 11:19 AM   #73 
           - Basically, the Republicans under Bush raided the Social Security  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 05:46 PM   #113 
              - And the Democrats under Clinton did the same thing too. There was no government budget surplus...  originalpckelly   Jul-11-11 08:12 PM   #129 
              - You are so correct.  Big Blue Marble   Jul-12-11 12:38 AM   #139 
              - Clinton was no friend of Social Security.  JDPriestly   Jul-12-11 01:36 AM   #142 
              - I think that's not quite right. I think every administration uses any social security excess monies  indurancevile   Jul-11-11 09:28 PM   #132 
                 - Bush purposely ran up huge deficits.  JDPriestly   Jul-12-11 01:34 AM   #141 
                    - i agree that he purposefully ran huge deficits, but no matter who was president, the  indurancevile   Jul-12-11 05:39 AM   #146 
                       - The surpluses were used to buy Treasury Bonds.  JDPriestly   Jul-12-11 12:45 PM   #150 
                          - Any surplus Social Security collections must be invested in US securities, by law.  indurancevile   Jul-12-11 01:19 PM   #151 
                             - Here is more on that issue.  JDPriestly   Jul-12-11 02:01 PM   #153 
                                - We seem to be talking past each other. I agree with you that the contract is being rewritten.  indurancevile   Jul-13-11 05:36 AM   #154 
                                   - "a stealth tax on labor to reduce rates on the rich"  JDPriestly   Jul-14-11 02:53 AM   #155 
     - wish I could rec your response....  mike_c   Jul-11-11 02:37 PM   #87 
  - That's on the President - even Republicans knew better.  polichick   Jul-10-11 06:21 PM   #4 
  - Its funny,why is Obama trying to one-up Paul Ryan.  bahrbearian   Jul-11-11 04:43 PM   #105 
  - Nothing, absolutely Nothing  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-10-11 06:23 PM   #5 
  - Not one damn thing  Autumn   Jul-10-11 06:37 PM   #6 
  - Because the mainstream media hates liberal Presidents!!!! They didn't say shit when Bush was in!!  Major Hogwash   Jul-10-11 06:46 PM   #8 
  - Absolutely NOTHING!  Raine   Jul-10-11 06:52 PM   #10 
  - K/R No one even mentions the $2 Billion yearly give-aways to Pakistan Military..  lib2DaBone   Jul-10-11 06:59 PM   #11 
  - Or total media collusion?  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 07:16 PM   #13 
  - It isn't to the Pakistani Military...  Hawkowl   Jul-11-11 01:02 PM   #78 
  - Actually, the Treasury obligations in the "trust fund" are paid...  soryang   Jul-10-11 07:02 PM   #12 
  - Thank you for a clear explanation of what is happening  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 11:29 PM   #47 
  - What? There is no social security lockbox in Washington?  TexDevilDog   Jul-10-11 07:19 PM   #14 
  - I am shocked too. I thought it was under a mattress. nt  Curmudgeoness   Jul-10-11 07:25 PM   #15 
  - Nothing, but the Dems put it on the table :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-10-11 07:35 PM   #16 
  - And it isn't the first time they tried. Ted Kennedy got it off the table  chill_wind   Jul-10-11 08:23 PM   #17 
     - Thanks for that, did not know. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-10-11 09:55 PM   #29 
     - Thank you, I didn't know that. Those Republicans have  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 10:45 PM   #38 
        - Baker makes that same great point. Whether they know it or not  chill_wind   Jul-10-11 11:47 PM   #49 
           - 'Would have to go back to the SS Trust Fund.'  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 12:14 AM   #52 
  - Paying back the $2.6 trillion in the trust fund has to come from somewhere.  PoliticAverse   Jul-10-11 09:13 PM   #18 
  - Thank you. I understand that, and that makes the American  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 09:22 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-10-11 09:29 PM   #20 
  - Bullshit.  robinlynne   Jul-10-11 09:31 PM   #22 
  - Bullshit, yourself...  SDuderstadt   Jul-10-11 09:39 PM   #24 
  - By refusing to meet its Social Security obligations in full, when it clearly has the capacity..  girl gone mad   Jul-10-11 09:47 PM   #27 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-10-11 09:50 PM   #28 
     - Thank you, saved me the trouble! n/t  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 10:34 PM   #34 
  - Yes, in a sense Social Security recipients are creditors of the government...  PoliticAverse   Jul-10-11 09:56 PM   #30 
     - And politicians know they'll get your vote anyway, so they can take from the poor and give ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-10-11 10:45 PM   #37 
     - Interesting. But the US Govt could default on any of its  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 01:11 AM   #63 
        - Your forgetting... With what money would the people sue the gov?  Devil_Fish   Jul-11-11 06:39 PM   #121 
  - taxes. Clinton era tax-rates. Remember a country in prosperity?  robinlynne   Jul-10-11 09:30 PM   #21 
  - The government doesn't have to borrow or sell assets.  girl gone mad   Jul-10-11 09:42 PM   #25 
  - Yes it does, but it is not a SS problem and most Dems are silent on that point. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-10-11 10:29 PM   #32 
  - Why not? It's a Pentagon problem to pay for weapons systems  Recursion   Jul-11-11 02:54 PM   #92 
     - Why should we look to the SS system for funding when it was not spent by SS ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:40 PM   #137 
  - In other words, not stealing from people who invested in "the full faith and credit of the US"  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-10-11 11:51 PM   #51 
  - According to Obama: nothing.  johnaries   Jul-10-11 09:34 PM   #23 
  - Do you have a link for that? It doesn't  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 11:01 PM   #44 
  - The same thing Iraq had to do with 9/11?  Karmadillo   Jul-10-11 10:23 PM   #31 
  - LOL n/t  GOPBasher   Jul-10-11 10:39 PM   #36 
  - Perfect. nt  hay rick   Jul-10-11 10:48 PM   #39 
  - "What does Social Security have to do with the Deficit, Debt, Debt Ceiling?" --Answer: Nothing  GOPBasher   Jul-10-11 10:37 PM   #35 
  - Lol, maybe you could send that to the President  sabrina 1   Jul-10-11 10:54 PM   #41 
  - That's what people have been asking since Obama appointed his "Deficit Commission", and  Marr   Jul-10-11 10:51 PM   #40 
  - N O T H I N G -- !!!! In fact, it provides a SURPLUS OF $250 BILLION TO BUDGET!!  defendandprotect   Jul-10-11 10:59 PM   #43 
  - Yes, and even last year it still ran a surplus despite the  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 01:03 AM   #60 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 01:12 AM   #64 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 05:09 AM   #67 
        - "...unless of course the Fed. Govt defaults on its obligation to the Fund."  mike_c   Jul-11-11 02:44 PM   #90 
           - Yes...  SDuderstadt   Jul-11-11 04:34 PM   #102 
           - are you always this insulting or are you just having a bad day?  mike_c   Jul-11-11 04:41 PM   #104 
              - Maybe you should try educating the other...  SDuderstadt   Jul-11-11 04:46 PM   #106 
              - Maybe you should read my previous OPs on this subject. It  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 05:26 PM   #110 
                 - Sabrina...  SDuderstadt   Jul-11-11 06:13 PM   #117 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-11 12:40 AM   #140 
                 - Unintentional irony n/t  SDuderstadt   Jul-12-11 08:58 AM   #148 
           - Hi Mike, thank you!  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 05:41 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-10-11 11:28 PM   #46 
  - "ask Obama who hates boomers and has said as much"  SDuderstadt   Jul-10-11 11:42 PM   #48 
  - Imagine if your friend Mary loaned you a whole shitpile of money.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-10-11 11:48 PM   #50 
  - Excellent analogy.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 12:18 AM   #53 
  - +1  girl_interrupted   Jul-11-11 12:21 AM   #54 
  - It is the govts inability to care for the needs of the most vulnerable  Rex   Jul-11-11 04:55 PM   #107 
  - K&R Nothing  girl_interrupted   Jul-11-11 12:23 AM   #55 
  - Someone needs to tell the American people the truth! n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 12:27 AM   #57 
     - I think the vast majority KNOW the truth  Hawkowl   Jul-11-11 01:04 PM   #79 
  - October 13, 1989 Senator Hollings on Social Security ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 12:25 AM   #56 
  - 'jambalaya of frauds ' ~ nice phrase!  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 12:58 AM   #59 
  - The WH needs to tell the American people the truth about what has happened to ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 01:14 AM   #65 
     - Yes, they should tell the truth, but politicians rarely do..  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 02:21 PM   #85 
     - Yes, they should tell the truth, but politicians rarely do..  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 02:21 PM   #86 
        - We can hope! Thanks for the thread :) n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-11-11 10:17 PM   #134 
  - There was a farmer who had a dog and Bingo was his name-o....  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-12-11 03:03 AM   #145 
     - Yes he was right! And welcome to DU :)))  slipslidingaway   Jul-12-11 10:07 AM   #149 
  - Well , while they're screwing us, they just want to do it every which way they can...  kath   Jul-11-11 12:50 AM   #58 
  - And, at the risk of sounding like a totally broken record-  chill_wind   Jul-11-11 01:08 AM   #62 
  - That's okay, it cannot be said enough, imo.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 10:51 AM   #70 
  - they only want to repeal all th New Deal legisation, the poor are being punished by god so its a sin  dogmoma56   Jul-11-11 05:00 AM   #66 
  - Thanks for the links, I will try to read them when I have time.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 02:44 PM   #88 
     - the GOP raised the debt limit 19 times under Bu$h43, raised the debt $ 4 Trillion, but they don't  dogmoma56   Jul-11-11 09:50 PM   #133 
  - It will have a lot to do with the deficit, just not the debt  Recursion   Jul-11-11 06:45 AM   #68 
  - That doesn't make SS responsible for the deficit  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 01:37 PM   #80 
     - Well you might as well say tax cuts and the Pentagon aren't "responsible" for the deficit  Recursion   Jul-11-11 02:44 PM   #89 
        - SS is a separate fund from the Fed. Govt, the Treasury.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 04:02 PM   #100 
           - You're being obtuse: the one fund has to pay the other  Recursion   Jul-11-11 06:21 PM   #119 
              - No, your are being obtuse.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 10:20 PM   #135 
                 - China isn't *scheduled* to redeem 2.5 trillion of its bonds over the next 30 years  Recursion   Jul-11-11 10:21 PM   #136 
  - Close enough for a meme. Meme's don't have to be correct, they just have to be something to say.  CrossChris   Jul-11-11 09:26 AM   #69 
  - NOTHING. False choices. They are going to push through cuts.  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 10:53 AM   #71 
  - Then they should lose their jobs in the next election.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 11:43 AM   #74 
     - Agreed 100%  jtown1123   Jul-11-11 01:38 PM   #81 
  - It's a shiny object.  toddwv   Jul-11-11 11:02 AM   #72 
  - You should make this point into an OP.  Devil_Fish   Jul-11-11 06:46 PM   #122 
  - Nada!  bobburgster   Jul-11-11 12:58 PM   #75 
  - What social security has to do is to be eviscerated to fund BHO's tax cuts for the uber-wealthy so  indepat   Jul-11-11 01:00 PM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 01:02 PM   #77 
  - There really isn't a nicer way to say it 'liars' is what they are  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 01:57 PM   #82 
  - SS and the debt ---  econoclast   Jul-11-11 02:01 PM   #83 
  - I appreciate your post and don't disagree with most of it.  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 02:15 PM   #84 
  - things not that rosy, i'm afraid  econoclast   Jul-11-11 02:49 PM   #91 
     - Again, those numbers, as always, are based on the current  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 03:39 PM   #96 
        - digging into the data  econoclast   Jul-11-11 04:17 PM   #101 
  - That is true but the government was not obligated to blow the money on tax cuts and stupid wars  TheKentuckian   Jul-11-11 08:30 PM   #131 
  - Thank you Sabrina, for bringing up this conversation everyone else seems feared to tread. SSA is  earcandle   Jul-11-11 03:04 PM   #93 
  - Good post, earcandle.  sabrina 1   Jul-12-11 01:59 AM   #143 
  - Nothing...but it DOES have a few trillion dollars that look really delicious to 1% of Americans. nt  NorthCarolina   Jul-11-11 03:19 PM   #94 
  - NOTHING. P.E.R.I.O.D.  999998th word   Jul-11-11 03:30 PM   #95 
  - ss and the debt ( re-visited from above )  econoclast   Jul-11-11 03:40 PM   #97 
  - Who is 'we' and why would we have to borrow  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 04:41 PM   #103 
  - Quit weakening the program by lowering the contributions  999998th word   Jul-11-11 05:05 PM   #108 
  - This is Obama's idea. If he wanted to be clear he certainly is more than capable, isn't he?  Jefferson23   Jul-11-11 03:44 PM   #98 
  - Can't disagree with anything you said. But what can be done  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 05:28 PM   #111 
     - I'm not sure about that regarding Clinton, but I see your point.  Jefferson23   Jul-11-11 06:29 PM   #120 
  - However the wars that kill innocent children do relate directly to the deficit.  grahamhgreen   Jul-11-11 03:51 PM   #99 
  - I'm pretty busy these days, so I will give my proxy on statements related to this issue to Sabrina1  louslobbs   Jul-11-11 05:48 PM   #114 
  - Hi Lou, haven't seen you around, but I was pretty busy  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 06:02 PM   #116 
     - Good to see some familiar names like Sabrina 1 I miss DU when I can't be on, but thankfully I have a  louslobbs   Jul-11-11 08:07 PM   #128 
  - Here is what caveman said at his press briefing today  Jim_Shorts   Jul-11-11 05:58 PM   #115 
  - Agreed. if the repubs are so intent on cuts, bring the troops home. All of them from every place.  Devil_Fish   Jul-11-11 06:19 PM   #118 
  - The more I see, the clearer it is that this is about austerity G20 leaders agreed to.  suffragette   Jul-11-11 06:55 PM   #123 
  - I have to read more about what the G20 leaders agreed to  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 11:45 PM   #138 
     - Here are a couple places to start  suffragette   Jul-12-11 08:55 AM   #147 
        - Great, thank you. I will read them when I get home later.  sabrina 1   Jul-12-11 01:31 PM   #152 
  - I'll reply in the body of the text, since it would be vulgar, otherwise  Aerows   Jul-11-11 06:57 PM   #124 
  - Lol, succinct and to the point. Now if only we could get the  sabrina 1   Jul-11-11 07:39 PM   #127 
     - Agreed  Aerows   Jul-11-11 08:18 PM   #130 
  - Cut benefits and they get to steal more of the money.  roamer65   Jul-11-11 06:58 PM   #125 
  - I greatly regret that I'm too late to rec this, here's my kick. Great thread, bookmarked. nt  scarletwoman   Jul-11-11 07:00 PM   #126 
     - ditto  inna   Jul-12-11 02:05 AM   #144 
 

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