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Wed Jun-29-11 08:47 PM
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| 46. As I recall, not once in the speech does he mention the fact that the Bushes |
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and Reagan ran up at least 50% of the deficit, and that Bush fought two wars while cutting taxes -- a surefire recipe for a budget deficit.
Please correct me if I am wrong about this. But it appears that Obama is pulling another "looking forward" thing, thus accepting on his shoulders alone the burden of compromising to pay the deficit. The tax cuts for the rich caused the deficit and should be repealed if the deficit is to be reduced.
I just don't understand how Obama can be such a wimp when we need a fighter. This is not the time to compromise on the rights and economic interests of working people.
There is utterly no evidence that the cuts in payroll taxes caused employers to hire additional workers as far as I know. If Obama has that evidence, he should have mentioned it in passing and not just sort of thrown out some hopeful theory about it. I think it could be argued that any increases in employment can be ascribed to other factors. So Obama can't just assert something and expect people to take it as true.
Obama did mention that hedge fund managers and Wall Street folks should pay higher taxes. I liked that part, but it was overshadowed by so many strategic mistakes on Obama's speech. He should have lead with his discussion of tax increases for Wall Street.
He seems to be campaigning for the votes of Republicans in Congress, not for the votes of Democrats out here in the rest of America.
In discussing the Boeing NLRB decision, Obama pointed out that we have to compete with German and can't have the fighting between management and labor. I happen to have written a paper some years ago on German labor law and studied the German shared management system.
I would support Obama if he pointed out that we could have more harmony in our workplaces if we adopted German labor laws that protect workers' rights in the workplace. I would strongly support that.
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| -Has Obama finally come out as a closet Republican? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:05 PM |
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No. SATSQ. n/t |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jun-29-11 07:08 PM |
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Have you listened to the speech on which I based my post |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:22 PM |
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He's no more or less a Republican... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jun-29-11 07:35 PM |
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But GITMO's still open, wars still con't, no universal healthcare, nobody held responsible |
StarburstClock |
Jun-30-11 11:56 AM |
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I called him a trimmer then... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-01-11 10:38 AM |
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But you're not posting that he isn't. |
Dept of Beer |
Jul-01-11 01:23 PM |
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Shoudl have been "He's no more or less 'a Republican'..." |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-01-11 08:00 PM |
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No. n/t |
NYC Liberal |
Jun-29-11 07:09 PM |
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Have you listened to the speech on which I based my post |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:23 PM |
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I'm sure you have quote-mined as assiduously |
intaglio |
Jun-30-11 01:26 PM |
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great pic of Obama... |
dennis4868 |
Jun-29-11 09:59 PM |
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Hmmmm? |
ProSense |
Jun-29-11 07:13 PM |
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Have you listened to the speech on which I based my post? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:21 PM |
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Tax Cuts for the Rich? |
NobodyInParticular |
Jun-29-11 07:29 PM |
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I beg ot differ. |
RC |
Jun-29-11 07:54 PM |
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Picking fights with the GOP means nothing if he caves. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jun-30-11 07:06 AM |
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Now is time for him to stick to his guns. |
Hand_With_Eyes |
Jun-30-11 09:57 AM |
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Nah. I think all that massive amount of wrong thinking just lies a |
xchrom |
Jun-29-11 07:16 PM |
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Anti-labor, anti-Social Security, anti-Medicare, pro-free-trade |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:29 PM |
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I'm not disagreeing w/ you. |
xchrom |
Jun-29-11 08:19 PM |
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No. Unfortunately, you are not. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:29 AM |
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This is getting old guys... |
dennis4868 |
Jun-29-11 07:20 PM |
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You see my post. I explain it well. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:33 PM |
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you don't explain it well.... |
dennis4868 |
Jun-29-11 07:43 PM |
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If you listened to the speech, you would understand my post. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:56 PM |
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And he wants to cut taxes not raise them. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 08:00 PM |
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What kind of jobs? |
RC |
Jun-29-11 08:02 PM |
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As I recall, not once in the speech does he mention the fact that the Bushes |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 08:47 PM |
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by now it's just reached the level of absurdity... |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 08:11 PM |
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The List? Much of that crap is recycled Republican policy. |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-30-11 12:38 AM |
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no |
zappaman |
Jun-29-11 07:22 PM |
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One word. Feh! |
MineralMan |
Jun-29-11 07:22 PM |
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Look at Obama. And then look at FDR, Truman, Adlai Stevenson, John F. Kennedy, |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:31 PM |
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Jun-29-11 07:34 PM |
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FDR rounded up and imprisoned millions of Americans based solely on their race. |
NYC Liberal |
Jun-29-11 07:55 PM |
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Jun-30-11 08:51 PM |
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Have you listened to his speech? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:46 PM |
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No. Were we listening to the same speech? |
Skidmore |
Jun-29-11 07:31 PM |
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With which of my comments do you disagree? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:34 PM |
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The word Parsing and presenting of bullshit speculation as "fact" |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-11 12:00 PM |
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Did you take notes as you listened? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:47 PM |
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No, and it's idiotic to even suggest it. Unrec. |
tridim |
Jun-29-11 07:34 PM |
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You didn't watch the speech...or you wouldn't be so flippant. |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 10:39 PM |
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It wasn't a speech, it was a press conference. |
jaxx |
Jun-29-11 07:38 PM |
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It started with a speech. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:47 PM |
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Every word. |
jaxx |
Jun-29-11 08:20 PM |
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Obama is a 'Rockefeller Republican' |
Mimosa |
Jun-29-11 07:42 PM |
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Thank you Mimosa. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:49 PM |
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I'd say from watching that "presser" today..that he's a bit to the Right of Nelson Rockefeller... |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 10:06 PM |
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Actually, I think he's to the right of Rockefeller n/t |
dflprincess |
Jun-29-11 10:07 PM |
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Eisenhower and Nixon to. |
ej510 |
Jul-01-11 03:33 PM |
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No, they wouldn't. |
okasha |
Jun-30-11 10:07 AM |
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He's a DLC New Dem. Isn't that pretty much the same as being a Republican? |
NorthCarolina |
Jun-29-11 07:42 PM |
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New Democrats make Tony Blair look like a Marxist |
Mimosa |
Jun-29-11 08:10 PM |
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I appreciate the effort you took to write this~ |
merbex |
Jun-29-11 07:47 PM |
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I would say he is in the Bi-Curious section for sure. |
Arctic Dave |
Jun-29-11 07:48 PM |
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! |
OnyxCollie |
Jun-30-11 12:22 AM |
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Jun-29-11 07:54 PM |
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I agree, because he isn't even getting a Democratic message out there. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-29-11 07:58 PM |
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ROFL, this is hillarious. the alternate realities folks can create are amazing. |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 08:04 PM |
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Any comments on the points made in the OP? |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-29-11 10:06 PM |
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What part in particular of the OP is humorous |
Dept of Beer |
Jul-01-11 01:30 PM |
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I can't disagree with any part of which you've written. |
canoeist52 |
Jun-29-11 08:10 PM |
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Oh ffs... |
SidDithers |
Jun-29-11 08:12 PM |
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Jun-29-11 08:19 PM |
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No. I think not. |
Chan790 |
Jun-29-11 08:35 PM |
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"You can't compromise and agree to split the puppy; half a puppy is a dead puppy" |
canoeist52 |
Jun-29-11 09:20 PM |
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You explain it very well, Chan790. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:34 AM |
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JD, thank you for taking the time and care to notate the speech. |
Mimosa |
Jun-30-11 10:13 PM |
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Wonderful insight, Mimosa |
NobodyInParticular |
Jul-01-11 07:13 PM |
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Hahaha. Stupidist OP of the day. Nt |
DevonRex |
Jun-29-11 09:13 PM |
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I thought it was a very thoughtful OP. You could refute |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-29-11 10:12 PM |
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Jun-29-11 09:19 PM |
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why yes, democrats on DU are delusional for not being outraged because obama stuck it to the GOP in |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 09:38 PM |
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What specific statements of Obama's did you like? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 03:38 AM |
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I watched the Whole Thing... |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 09:23 PM |
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which goes to show people can shape their perception to be whatever they want it to be... |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 09:34 PM |
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I heard what he said...I'm an educated Democrat It was Depressing and Revealing about his Agenda |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 09:37 PM |
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Another Obama=Rep post? |
Sheepshank |
Jun-29-11 09:28 PM |
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expect these every day for the next 6 years. the point is to turn as many DUers against the |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 09:41 PM |
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Why do you think that people who've been here on DU for years are against Obama |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 09:50 PM |
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there's no conspiracy, and this is nothing new. this has been going on since 2009. |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 10:27 PM |
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Escalated before 2010 election, escalating again now |
emulatorloo |
Jun-30-11 12:07 PM |
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You can't imagine that people can disagree with policies |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-29-11 10:26 PM |
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sickening!! nasty!!1!1 alrighty then! |
dionysus |
Jun-29-11 10:46 PM |
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dionysus, what did you understand Obama to say about Medicare |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:50 AM |
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dionysus, you speak generally about a "good speech." |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 10:51 AM |
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Yes, it is sickening and nasty to ascribe ulterior motives to |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-30-11 12:05 PM |
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How do you define a Democrat, Sheepshank? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:43 AM |
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Dup n/t |
Sheepshank |
Jun-30-11 09:46 AM |
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It would appear nothing less than a Democratic, Progressive Dictator would make you think otherwise |
Sheepshank |
Jun-30-11 10:03 AM |
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Dictator I would not like. But the policies I want Obama to defend, |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 10:56 AM |
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You did not answer my question, Sheepshank. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-01-11 11:20 PM |
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I hope that Obama will wake up and change what he is saying and doing. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 03:46 AM |
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Unrecced, and 15 yards |
pscot |
Jun-29-11 09:46 PM |
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Why do you think the OP is doing "gratuitous taunting?" What would they gain by this? |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 09:52 PM |
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It would appear to me and the only reason I can read into this particular post, |
Sheepshank |
Jun-29-11 09:59 PM |
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Watch the link to Obama's whole PRESSER ...and get back to me... |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 10:03 PM |
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Excuse me, Sheepshank, but as I posted above, I proudly wore |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:55 AM |
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bull crap paragraph attempting to describe Obama's 'feelings" |
Sheepshank |
Jun-30-11 09:40 AM |
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If he is "bristling with anger," he sure doesn't show it. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 10:58 AM |
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ahh so he doesn't show emotion the way YOU think he should... |
Sheepshank |
Jun-30-11 11:46 AM |
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Nobody is asking for "everything they want" |
Kermitt Gribble |
Jun-30-11 12:09 PM |
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I agree with most of what you say |
pscot |
Jun-30-11 10:20 AM |
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Are you, too, afraid of confrontation? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 11:10 AM |
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Confrontation doesn't bother me |
pscot |
Jun-30-11 09:03 PM |
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That's what I am asking Obama to do -- confront the Republicans |
JDPriestly |
Jul-01-11 11:18 PM |
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Dont blame the OP for pitting Democrats against "New-Democrats". |
rhett o rick |
Jun-30-11 02:40 PM |
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Pscot, WE who are most disappointed were indeed Obama's biggest supporters |
Mimosa |
Jun-30-11 10:21 PM |
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lol! |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-30-11 10:48 PM |
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Take a look before you laugh |
Mimosa |
Jun-30-11 10:59 PM |
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Looks like a tactic to get the thread locked. IMHO. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jun-30-11 02:34 PM |
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Jun-29-11 09:58 PM |
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Really? |
KoKo |
Jun-29-11 10:02 PM |
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What did you like about the speech and what in the OP |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-29-11 10:17 PM |
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I think you need to replay the speech and get back to me. |
lonestarnot |
Jun-29-11 10:04 PM |
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Too many of today's zealots know only the current iteration of the republican party. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-29-11 10:08 PM |
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I was listening during the campaign and heard him say he admired Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy. |
Octafish |
Jun-29-11 10:57 PM |
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Thanks, Octafish. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 02:56 AM |
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Thanks for the analysis. |
OnyxCollie |
Jun-30-11 12:23 AM |
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Agree with your conclusion .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-30-11 12:56 AM |
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Excellent analysis, one of the best original DU posts I've ever read. |
inna |
Jun-30-11 01:06 AM |
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Pure garbage. n/t |
deacon |
Jun-30-11 01:28 AM |
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Excellent take ... THANKS |
Raine |
Jun-30-11 02:46 AM |
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When did the "Change" really start to kick in? |
blkmusclmachine |
Jun-30-11 04:06 AM |
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I agree with your hearing the 'dog whistles' & I have a chart but I'm just |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-30-11 04:11 AM |
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Thanks so much, StarsinHerHair. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-30-11 11:12 AM |
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The lowest marginal tax rates again and again mark the beginning of recessions/depressions |
NobodyInParticular |
Jun-30-11 11:54 AM |
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^ There in one post StarsInHerHair explained how we got the deficit ^ |
Mimosa |
Jun-30-11 10:25 PM |
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K & R |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-30-11 04:22 AM |
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Kicked and strongly recommended, |
woo me with science |
Jun-30-11 09:48 AM |
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Of course not.. |
Peacetrain |
Jun-30-11 09:48 AM |
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One day the Washington Generals will win! |
RandiFan1290 |
Jun-30-11 10:26 AM |
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Apart from the SCOTUS nominees |
hifiguy |
Jun-30-11 11:07 AM |
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Expanding free trade is akin to hammer down the nails on America's coffin. |
erickregger |
Jun-30-11 11:17 AM |
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If he agrees to any cuts in the social safety net, he'll be out 'n' proud. |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-30-11 12:07 PM |
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Very good points. The labor part illustrates it well |
suffragette |
Jun-30-11 01:04 PM |
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Excellent post, suffragette. |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-30-11 03:28 PM |
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And his Commerce Secretary pick has also come out in favor of management |
suffragette |
Jun-30-11 08:40 PM |
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Thank you for this post, suffragette. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-01-11 03:26 PM |
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Well I do not believe he is naive or stupid |
alarimer |
Jun-30-11 08:49 PM |
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Give me the name of one Republican presidential candidate who agrees with you. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-30-11 10:52 PM |
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The disconnect is really hilarious... |
JuniperLea |
Jul-01-11 01:30 PM |
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Republicans run a tight ship, |
NobodyInParticular |
Jul-01-11 02:13 PM |
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I saw it all last November |
Bryn |
Jun-30-11 11:52 PM |
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Jul-01-11 10:51 AM |
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K&R n/t |
Mimosa |
Jul-01-11 03:44 PM |
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