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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-11 05:41 PM
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55. For many Americans it is all they can squeeze out from their
paychecks to save for retirement.

In the 1930s, there was a huge exodus of Americans from their farms. Prior to that time, but very quickly in the 1930s, we switched from an agrarian society to an urban society.

Traditionally and very commonly, in the US, a farmer owned land. Gradually, as he aged, his child or children would take over the farm. Granddad and Grandma continued to either receive part of the proceeds from the farm or to live on the farm with their children.

As people moved from the countryside into towns and cities beginning some time before the 1930s, they no longer had this nest egg of a farm or income or help from their children. So, the need for some kind of retirement plan became a necessity.

That is why we have Social Security.

If you are retired now and have saved in a 401(K), you are probably beginning to realize what a lousy way to save for retirement that is. You have to save far more than most people realistically can save during your working life in order to receive enough monthly earnings or income from your 401(K) to live.

So, pensions resulting from work and Social Security are the basis for your monthly income. Those of us who do not receive pensions have learned after retiring just how little our savings in a 401(K) really can provide.

If you are earning $70,000 and you have a couple of kids to care for and educate and maybe a couple of periods in which you repay student loans or have healthcare costs or other unusual costs, then relying on savings in your retirement is unrealistic.

The money earned by the corporations you invest in with your 401(K) goes to the CEOs and other managers of the companies you invest in.

And right now interest rates are so low on savings as to be laughable.

So, enjoy your illusion while you can.

Social Security is a necessity and the primary retirement income for most middle class people who do not qualify for other pensions.
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  -Thanks DU! (MannyGoldstein's radio interview on Social Security cuts) MannyGoldstein  Jun-26-11 05:28 PM   #0 
  - Congratulations!  woo me with science   Jun-26-11 05:33 PM   #1 
  - Thanks! I wish I could do more!  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 05:34 PM   #2 
  - Hasn't Thom asked you to be on his show?  senseandsensibility   Jun-26-11 05:41 PM   #3 
  - I've not had the honor!  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 05:58 PM   #7 
     - You should.  senseandsensibility   Jun-26-11 10:32 PM   #20 
  - But aren't things actually worse than expected because the early retirements  dkf   Jun-26-11 05:46 PM   #4 
  - Only short-term blip  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 05:55 PM   #5 
     - You really think that is short term?  dkf   Jun-26-11 07:43 PM   #9 
        - The total lifetime cost of these folks will be the same  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 07:49 PM   #10 
        - The surpluses are from income on the bonds that the general treasury owes to the SS fund.  dkf   Jun-26-11 08:30 PM   #11 
           - Backed by the full faith and credit of the US government  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 08:58 PM   #16 
           - Yeah but you can't really say that there is a surplus when its not from payroll taxes.  dkf   Jun-26-11 11:03 PM   #21 
              - Does the IRS not count interest on my bank account as income?  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 11:08 PM   #23 
              - Manny, you are just being 'difficult'.  Enthusiast   Jun-27-11 04:42 AM   #32 
              - If your regular savings account borrowed from your Christmas account  dkf   Jun-27-11 11:37 AM   #45 
                 - Problem is the tax cuts for the rich and the failure to collect  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:30 PM   #53 
              - The surplus is from payroll taxes.  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:28 PM   #52 
           - And the reason we don't have it is that corporations and wealthy  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:23 PM   #51 
        - Cutting Social Security benefits will make the economy worse.  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:21 PM   #50 
  - K&R  panader0   Jun-26-11 05:57 PM   #6 
  - K&R  pa28   Jun-26-11 06:55 PM   #8 
  - KNR! Congrats, Manny!  tekisui   Jun-26-11 08:32 PM   #12 
  - HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!  WillyT   Jun-26-11 08:37 PM   #13 
  - K & R  malaise   Jun-26-11 08:38 PM   #14 
  - Yay! Manny!  Mimosa   Jun-26-11 08:40 PM   #15 
  - Even with Social Security, 10% of Seniors live in poverty  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-11 09:48 PM   #19 
  - TPTB = Obama.  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:31 PM   #54 
  - Apparently there is 'room'  Enthusiast   Jun-27-11 04:44 AM   #33 
  - Really good stuff, Manny!  Bozita   Jun-26-11 09:41 PM   #17 
  - Kudos! and K&R  amborin   Jun-26-11 09:43 PM   #18 
  - A voice with the face! Way ta go, Manny!!!  Stinky The Clown   Jun-26-11 11:05 PM   #22 
  - We loves ya Manny.  Kurovski   Jun-27-11 12:45 AM   #24 
  - Cool!  Cali_Democrat   Jun-27-11 12:48 AM   #25 
  - K&R Congratulations and thanks. n/t  myrna minx   Jun-27-11 02:14 AM   #26 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jun-27-11 02:27 AM   #27 
  - Thanks, Manny!  somone   Jun-27-11 02:36 AM   #28 
  - Only one disagreement, SS is not retirement, it is a safety net  Downwinder   Jun-27-11 03:17 AM   #29 
  - That's an awful lot of money to pay for a safety net.  freedom fighter jh   Jun-27-11 07:06 AM   #37 
  - Tell that to Braniff Continental, United, TWA, General Motors.  Downwinder   Jun-27-11 07:36 AM   #40 
  - For many Americans it is all they can squeeze out from their  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:41 PM   #55 
  - As has been pointed out to you, they are forecasting the same productivity growth in the future as  BzaDem   Jun-27-11 03:28 AM   #30 
  - You would cheer for an end of social security.  Enthusiast   Jun-27-11 04:49 AM   #34 
  - Do you get pleasure by consistently making verifiably false statements? n/t  BzaDem   Jun-27-11 08:11 PM   #61 
  - The publicized estimate also assumes that productivity will plunge  MannyGoldstein   Jun-27-11 07:43 AM   #42 
  - Manny, here is the error in you reckoning. You forgot  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:50 PM   #57 
  - How many soc recipients never worked  julian09   Jun-27-11 06:09 PM   #58 
  - And how many paid in but died before they could collect?  MannyGoldstein   Jun-27-11 07:29 PM   #59 
  - Even if we assume you are correct, you are only talking about delaying the insolvency. 2.1 does not  BzaDem   Jun-27-11 08:10 PM   #60 
     - Have you looked at the Trustee's "low-cost" projections?  MannyGoldstein   Jun-27-11 09:36 PM   #64 
        - I can't say for certain that it is wrong (or that the high cost alternative is wrong).  BzaDem   Jun-27-11 11:10 PM   #65 
           - Then we're effectively in agreement  MannyGoldstein   Jun-27-11 11:57 PM   #66 
  - Manny Goldstein says the dire predictions are based on  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 05:46 PM   #56 
     - You are missing the two key components of that growth. Growth depends on BOTH productivity of the  BzaDem   Jun-27-11 08:24 PM   #62 
        - If there were a demand for labor, far more Americans would wait until  JDPriestly   Jun-28-11 12:19 AM   #67 
           - When I say demographics, I mean things like fertility rates, mortality rates, immigration, life  BzaDem   Jun-28-11 12:48 AM   #68 
              - Your factors are precisely what I am talking about.  JDPriestly   Jun-28-11 01:15 AM   #69 
  - Thanks for doing this, Manny  Lasher   Jun-27-11 03:41 AM   #31 
  - Congratulations and thank you!  PADemD   Jun-27-11 06:39 AM   #35 
  - Very good!!!  H2O Man   Jun-27-11 06:47 AM   #36 
  - congrats!  RainDog   Jun-27-11 07:12 AM   #38 
  - Thank you, Manny! nt  Javaman   Jun-27-11 07:14 AM   #39 
  - K&R  Hubert Flottz   Jun-27-11 07:41 AM   #41 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Jun-27-11 10:20 AM   #43 
  - Wow, excellent, Manny!  tpsbmam   Jun-27-11 10:37 AM   #44 
  - Exactly, spectacularly right. Excellent interview. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-27-11 12:15 PM   #46 
  - So contrary to the claims of some,  bvar22   Jun-27-11 12:37 PM   #47 
  - congrats.  Tuesday Afternoon   Jun-27-11 01:02 PM   #48 
  - congrats!!!  madrchsod   Jun-27-11 03:46 PM   #49 
  - I think the assumptions the money party is making are based off of the intent  TheKentuckian   Jun-27-11 08:27 PM   #63 
  - Cool...Good website -- Next stop Rachael Maddow, et. al.  Armstead   Jun-28-11 01:28 AM   #70 
 

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