JDPriestly
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Mon Jun-27-11 05:41 PM
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| 55. For many Americans it is all they can squeeze out from their |
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paychecks to save for retirement.
In the 1930s, there was a huge exodus of Americans from their farms. Prior to that time, but very quickly in the 1930s, we switched from an agrarian society to an urban society.
Traditionally and very commonly, in the US, a farmer owned land. Gradually, as he aged, his child or children would take over the farm. Granddad and Grandma continued to either receive part of the proceeds from the farm or to live on the farm with their children.
As people moved from the countryside into towns and cities beginning some time before the 1930s, they no longer had this nest egg of a farm or income or help from their children. So, the need for some kind of retirement plan became a necessity.
That is why we have Social Security.
If you are retired now and have saved in a 401(K), you are probably beginning to realize what a lousy way to save for retirement that is. You have to save far more than most people realistically can save during your working life in order to receive enough monthly earnings or income from your 401(K) to live.
So, pensions resulting from work and Social Security are the basis for your monthly income. Those of us who do not receive pensions have learned after retiring just how little our savings in a 401(K) really can provide.
If you are earning $70,000 and you have a couple of kids to care for and educate and maybe a couple of periods in which you repay student loans or have healthcare costs or other unusual costs, then relying on savings in your retirement is unrealistic.
The money earned by the corporations you invest in with your 401(K) goes to the CEOs and other managers of the companies you invest in.
And right now interest rates are so low on savings as to be laughable.
So, enjoy your illusion while you can.
Social Security is a necessity and the primary retirement income for most middle class people who do not qualify for other pensions.
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| -Thanks DU! (MannyGoldstein's radio interview on Social Security cuts) |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 05:28 PM |
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Congratulations! |
woo me with science |
Jun-26-11 05:33 PM |
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Thanks! I wish I could do more! |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 05:34 PM |
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Hasn't Thom asked you to be on his show? |
senseandsensibility |
Jun-26-11 05:41 PM |
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I've not had the honor! |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 05:58 PM |
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You should. |
senseandsensibility |
Jun-26-11 10:32 PM |
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But aren't things actually worse than expected because the early retirements |
dkf |
Jun-26-11 05:46 PM |
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Only short-term blip |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 05:55 PM |
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You really think that is short term? |
dkf |
Jun-26-11 07:43 PM |
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The total lifetime cost of these folks will be the same |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 07:49 PM |
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The surpluses are from income on the bonds that the general treasury owes to the SS fund. |
dkf |
Jun-26-11 08:30 PM |
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Backed by the full faith and credit of the US government |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 08:58 PM |
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Yeah but you can't really say that there is a surplus when its not from payroll taxes. |
dkf |
Jun-26-11 11:03 PM |
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Does the IRS not count interest on my bank account as income? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 11:08 PM |
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Manny, you are just being 'difficult'. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-27-11 04:42 AM |
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If your regular savings account borrowed from your Christmas account |
dkf |
Jun-27-11 11:37 AM |
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Problem is the tax cuts for the rich and the failure to collect |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:30 PM |
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The surplus is from payroll taxes. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:28 PM |
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And the reason we don't have it is that corporations and wealthy |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:23 PM |
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Cutting Social Security benefits will make the economy worse. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:21 PM |
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K&R |
panader0 |
Jun-26-11 05:57 PM |
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K&R |
pa28 |
Jun-26-11 06:55 PM |
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KNR! Congrats, Manny! |
tekisui |
Jun-26-11 08:32 PM |
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HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-26-11 08:37 PM |
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K & R |
malaise |
Jun-26-11 08:38 PM |
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Yay! Manny! |
Mimosa |
Jun-26-11 08:40 PM |
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Even with Social Security, 10% of Seniors live in poverty |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-26-11 09:48 PM |
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TPTB = Obama. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:31 PM |
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Apparently there is 'room' |
Enthusiast |
Jun-27-11 04:44 AM |
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Really good stuff, Manny! |
Bozita |
Jun-26-11 09:41 PM |
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Kudos! and K&R |
amborin |
Jun-26-11 09:43 PM |
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A voice with the face! Way ta go, Manny!!! |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-26-11 11:05 PM |
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We loves ya Manny. |
Kurovski |
Jun-27-11 12:45 AM |
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Cool! |
Cali_Democrat |
Jun-27-11 12:48 AM |
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K&R Congratulations and thanks. n/t |
myrna minx |
Jun-27-11 02:14 AM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jun-27-11 02:27 AM |
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Thanks, Manny! |
somone |
Jun-27-11 02:36 AM |
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Only one disagreement, SS is not retirement, it is a safety net |
Downwinder |
Jun-27-11 03:17 AM |
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That's an awful lot of money to pay for a safety net. |
freedom fighter jh |
Jun-27-11 07:06 AM |
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Tell that to Braniff Continental, United, TWA, General Motors. |
Downwinder |
Jun-27-11 07:36 AM |
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For many Americans it is all they can squeeze out from their |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:41 PM |
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As has been pointed out to you, they are forecasting the same productivity growth in the future as |
BzaDem |
Jun-27-11 03:28 AM |
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You would cheer for an end of social security. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-27-11 04:49 AM |
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Do you get pleasure by consistently making verifiably false statements? n/t |
BzaDem |
Jun-27-11 08:11 PM |
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The publicized estimate also assumes that productivity will plunge |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-27-11 07:43 AM |
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Manny, here is the error in you reckoning. You forgot |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:50 PM |
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How many soc recipients never worked |
julian09 |
Jun-27-11 06:09 PM |
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And how many paid in but died before they could collect? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-27-11 07:29 PM |
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Even if we assume you are correct, you are only talking about delaying the insolvency. 2.1 does not |
BzaDem |
Jun-27-11 08:10 PM |
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Have you looked at the Trustee's "low-cost" projections? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-27-11 09:36 PM |
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I can't say for certain that it is wrong (or that the high cost alternative is wrong). |
BzaDem |
Jun-27-11 11:10 PM |
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Then we're effectively in agreement |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-27-11 11:57 PM |
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Manny Goldstein says the dire predictions are based on |
JDPriestly |
Jun-27-11 05:46 PM |
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You are missing the two key components of that growth. Growth depends on BOTH productivity of the |
BzaDem |
Jun-27-11 08:24 PM |
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If there were a demand for labor, far more Americans would wait until |
JDPriestly |
Jun-28-11 12:19 AM |
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When I say demographics, I mean things like fertility rates, mortality rates, immigration, life |
BzaDem |
Jun-28-11 12:48 AM |
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Your factors are precisely what I am talking about. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-28-11 01:15 AM |
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Thanks for doing this, Manny |
Lasher |
Jun-27-11 03:41 AM |
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Congratulations and thank you! |
PADemD |
Jun-27-11 06:39 AM |
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Very good!!! |
H2O Man |
Jun-27-11 06:47 AM |
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congrats! |
RainDog |
Jun-27-11 07:12 AM |
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Thank you, Manny! nt |
Javaman |
Jun-27-11 07:14 AM |
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K&R |
Hubert Flottz |
Jun-27-11 07:41 AM |
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k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-27-11 10:20 AM |
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Wow, excellent, Manny! |
tpsbmam |
Jun-27-11 10:37 AM |
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Exactly, spectacularly right. Excellent interview. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-27-11 12:15 PM |
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So contrary to the claims of some, |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-11 12:37 PM |
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congrats. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jun-27-11 01:02 PM |
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congrats!!! |
madrchsod |
Jun-27-11 03:46 PM |
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I think the assumptions the money party is making are based off of the intent |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-27-11 08:27 PM |
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Cool...Good website -- Next stop Rachael Maddow, et. al. |
Armstead |
Jun-28-11 01:28 AM |
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