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2. Things are totally out-of-control.
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  -Elderly woman (95 years old) asked to remove adult diaper during TSA search kpete  Jun-26-11 02:22 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 02:29 PM   #1 
  - Things are totally out-of-control.  Chipper Chat   Jun-26-11 02:30 PM   #2 
  - Indeed  Blasphemer   Jun-26-11 03:45 PM   #40 
     - "Counter-terrorism efforts need to be directed elsewhere"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:08 PM   #50 
        - amen  demigoddess   Jun-26-11 08:58 PM   #107 
  - What would they do with a woman having her period?  HockeyMom   Jun-26-11 02:31 PM   #3 
  - I been wondering about that...  butterfly77   Jun-26-11 07:29 PM   #92 
  - I don't think I want to know.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:36 AM   #179 
  - I'm not a member of the fairer sex...  Ed Suspicious   Jun-27-11 07:51 AM   #215 
  - Not really the same...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 10:07 AM   #240 
  - I do not ever intend to fly again.  KarenS   Jun-26-11 02:33 PM   #4 
  - Just keep in mind that TSA doesn't have to stay at the airport only.  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:13 PM   #22 
  - +1 They have already moved beyond the airport.  woo me with science   Jun-26-11 03:51 PM   #44 
  - Do they go out of their way...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:10 PM   #52 
     - You know, you have a point...  woo me with science   Jun-26-11 05:56 PM   #73 
  - They already have been at bus and train depots.  dixiegrrrrl   Jun-27-11 08:53 AM   #235 
  - I would have been in jail myself if they did that to my sweet mother.  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 08:49 PM   #103 
  - ditto  ElsewheresDaughter   Jun-26-11 08:55 PM   #106 
  - Would you put your sweet dying mother on a plane by herself  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:53 AM   #205 
  - She should have had some spare diapers for her. And she should have flown with her.  vanbean   Jun-27-11 09:15 AM   #237 
  - I second that  ckimmy57   Jun-27-11 01:25 PM   #277 
  - Everybody in the country should quit flying.  Hubert Flottz   Jun-26-11 09:51 PM   #121 
  - Not everybody should quit flying. Common citizens should stop.  peacetalksforall   Jun-27-11 01:00 AM   #151 
     - Your Logic seems sound to me.  Hubert Flottz   Jun-27-11 07:37 AM   #214 
  - insanity rules...  formernaderite   Jun-27-11 02:52 PM   #286 
     - Wouldn't your mother have been embarrassed by  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:46 PM   #293 
        - we don't know what the daughter's plans were after getting the mom through security  spooked911   Jun-28-11 05:31 PM   #412 
  - Nazies  delunapark   Jun-26-11 02:37 PM   #5 
  - Nazies and pervs. n/t  customerserviceguy   Jun-26-11 02:54 PM   #11 
  - What the hell has happened to common sense?  Vinca   Jun-26-11 02:41 PM   #6 
  - "Idiocracy" initially made me laugh...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:12 PM   #53 
  - You can't just search the suspicious. If you think frail 95 year old women can't ...  GOTV   Jun-27-11 08:26 AM   #228 
  - And, if you're going to think like a terrorist bomber,  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:02 PM   #258 
  - That's what I want to know. Why would any daughter  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:49 PM   #294 
  - Bin Laden won.  cliffordu   Jun-26-11 02:43 PM   #7 
  - It has been a slow...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:13 PM   #54 
  - I Wear A Brace, Which Means....I Get Special Treatment  otohara   Jun-26-11 02:45 PM   #8 
  - How did you find out that it would happen every time?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-26-11 05:04 PM   #63 
     - my sister and a friend both have to remove their prosthetic legs.  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:01 PM   #108 
     - Did they find this out at the airport or beforehand?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-27-11 01:23 AM   #157 
     - How about TSA...  AnneD   Jun-27-11 05:18 AM   #206 
     - "such as bringing along another person"  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 04:32 PM   #301 
        - I know that in one instance no assistance was offered.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-30-11 11:57 AM   #437 
  - The TSA has turned airports into lots of Abu Ghraibs -- for exactly the same reasons.  PSPS   Jun-26-11 02:48 PM   #9 
  - Yep.  dixiegrrrrl   Jun-26-11 03:00 PM   #13 
  - Power = heroin. n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Jun-26-11 03:02 PM   #14 
  - Really?  chervilant   Jun-27-11 07:26 AM   #212 
  - I don't think that's it....After all, most people,  whathehell   Jun-26-11 03:16 PM   #25 
     - my husband has to fly to toronto and wants me to go. my in laws have family gatherings  seabeyond   Jun-26-11 03:51 PM   #45 
     - Et tu, Seaybeyond?  whathehell   Jun-26-11 05:17 PM   #68 
        - gracias... see  seabeyond   Jun-26-11 05:32 PM   #71 
        - Molim*  whathehell   Jun-26-11 06:10 PM   #75 
        - These actions ARE a part of a FUCKING GREAT conspiracy.  TheMadMonk   Jun-26-11 09:47 PM   #120 
           - You are certainly  whathehell   Jun-27-11 03:53 AM   #193 
              - Please take a close look at what went on in Abu Grahib.  TheMadMonk   Jun-27-11 04:06 AM   #197 
     - And what happens when these tactics...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:15 PM   #55 
     - What is to stop TSA from searching people in cars next?  LisaL   Jun-26-11 04:41 PM   #59 
     - Nothing...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:59 PM   #61 
     - So are motorcycles, bicycles and skateboards!  Riverman   Jun-27-11 01:46 PM   #279 
     - Ummm....A number of you are imagining that I lack sympathy for this woman  whathehell   Jun-26-11 05:06 PM   #65 
     - We are "imagining" you lack of sympathy...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 05:11 PM   #66 
        - Then you are imagining WRONG...Read my two posts  whathehell   Jun-26-11 05:26 PM   #69 
        - Well, I was calm...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 05:30 PM   #70 
           - No problem  whathehell   Jun-26-11 06:06 PM   #74 
           - So do I...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 06:28 PM   #79 
              - You betcha...  whathehell   Jun-27-11 03:47 AM   #192 
           - Jackwagon  Aerows   Jun-26-11 06:34 PM   #81 
        - I've read your post 5 times and  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 06:20 PM   #307 
     - Ah, but the TSA wants to stop and search cars as well.  GoneOffShore   Jun-26-11 06:57 PM   #86 
        - yeah, I know...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 07:00 PM   #87 
     - No, she wasn't "obligated", she just wanted to see her family before she died.  scarletwoman   Jun-26-11 04:19 PM   #57 
     - Oh hell, I didn't mean it that way...  whathehell   Jun-26-11 05:00 PM   #62 
        - Okay, I can see how that sentence could be taken two ways, and how I saw it  scarletwoman   Jun-26-11 08:17 PM   #101 
        - lol.......  onpatrol98   Jun-27-11 11:31 AM   #251 
     - There are various modes but in her condition flying was probably  MadMaddie   Jun-26-11 07:04 PM   #90 
     - Or....  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:44 AM   #234 
     - I am obligated if I want to leave Alaska decently. That woman  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:02 PM   #109 
     - Of course you are and I'm not disagreeing with that...  whathehell   Jun-27-11 04:06 AM   #196 
     - The woman wasn't strip searched. Why don't you stick to the facts?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:33 PM   #329 
     - Are you aware that not all places in this world can be reached  Boudica the Lyoness   Jun-26-11 10:58 PM   #132 
        - No shit, sherlock  whathehell   Jun-27-11 04:00 AM   #195 
        - How is it being victimized for someone to ask your daughter  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:04 PM   #259 
           - You need to mind your own business.  Boudica the Lyoness   Jun-28-11 01:29 PM   #408 
              - I agree  spooked911   Jun-28-11 05:34 PM   #414 
  - At least the woman got her soiled diaper removed.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 02:51 PM   #10 
  - Disgusting and a Red Herring  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-26-11 02:59 PM   #12 
  - I know that a terminally ill 95 year old who needs diapers  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:03 PM   #15 
     - Red herring  Ichingcarpenter   Jun-26-11 03:04 PM   #16 
     - It's not a red herring. It's an irony.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:07 PM   #17 
     - Are you freaking kidding?  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:11 PM   #19 
     - So are you saying you support the TSA crotch search policy  woo me with science   Jun-26-11 03:16 PM   #24 
     - No, I said it was ironical.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:19 PM   #29 
        - Do explain this:  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:32 PM   #35 
        - Do you need this spelled out?  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:46 PM   #41 
           - I think you are the one who needs this spelled out.  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:55 PM   #47 
           - They couldn't complete the search because they could feel something in the diaper.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 11:12 PM   #133 
              - How does this make any sense?  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:28 AM   #139 
              - The reason for the pat-downs is to detect non-body objects  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:39 AM   #140 
                 - What procedure would that be?  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:44 AM   #144 
                    - Yes, they do.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:50 AM   #146 
                       - I am talking about TSA.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:53 AM   #147 
                          - Interesting.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:58 AM   #150 
                             - Oh give me a break.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 01:00 AM   #152 
                                - Sitting in clean clothing, even without a diaper, is better than sitting  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 01:09 AM   #153 
                                - Well let me ask you something really simple.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 01:10 AM   #154 
                                - Did you read my whole post?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 01:12 AM   #155 
                                - TSA shouldn't be asking anyone to remove diapers.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 01:17 AM   #156 
                                - Apparently it isn't their policy.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:07 AM   #166 
                                - Why are you changing the subject so much and why is anyone going along with you? nt  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 01:35 AM   #160 
                                - Apparently I'm not the only one here  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:09 AM   #167 
                                - Why don't you start an OP on it? I agree it is important.  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 02:12 AM   #169 
                                - What difference does it make whether I talk about it here or somewhere else?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:15 AM   #170 
                                - Good point, so let me post my opinion that it has nothing to do with the issue here. nt  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 02:23 AM   #174 
              - So, our heroes think sick great-grandma might have a bomb in her diaper,  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 07:52 PM   #339 
                 - They had no idea what was in the diaper...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 08:02 PM   #340 
                    - Do you realize what you just said?  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:40 PM   #347 
                    - So, you admit she could have had a bomb in...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 08:43 PM   #348 
                    - Waste of time I know.  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:58 PM   #353 
                    - They have to follow the procedure -- not act on hunches  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:10 AM   #384 
                    - As you can clearly see, the adults are all children trying desperately  Rex   Jun-28-11 06:03 PM   #420 
                    - yes, dude, the sick old lady WAS A TERRORIST!!!!!!!  spooked911   Jun-28-11 05:37 PM   #416 
                       - Are you really claiming that elderly people or...  SDuderstadt   Jun-28-11 06:07 PM   #423 
                          - NO  spooked911   Jun-29-11 12:39 PM   #430 
                             - "but, it's not going to happen"  SDuderstadt   Jun-29-11 12:45 PM   #431 
                                - you think al Qaeda is going to recruit old sick American ladies to be bombers?  spooked911   Jun-30-11 06:53 AM   #432 
                                   - Show me where I said you were crazy, Spooked...  SDuderstadt   Jun-30-11 09:29 AM   #433 
                                   - I'm not going to waste my time going through old posts in the September 11th section  spooked911   Jun-30-11 11:34 AM   #434 
                                   - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-30-11 11:45 AM   #436 
                                   - Funny. Good to know then that you think there is nothing crazy about no planes and  spooked911   Jul-01-11 07:13 AM   #438 
                                   - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Jul-01-11 11:00 AM   #439 
                                   - No  spooked911   Jul-01-11 12:21 PM   #440 
                                   - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Jul-01-11 12:28 PM   #441 
                                   - how else will they get a significant quantity  spooked911   Jul-01-11 06:02 PM   #442 
                                   - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Jul-01-11 06:38 PM   #443 
                                   - Whatever, dude  spooked911   Jul-02-11 06:25 PM   #444 
           - Umm...doesn't logic dictate the the TSA should go with....I mean  Desertrose   Jun-26-11 05:55 PM   #72 
           - Amazing, isn't it?? People defending  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:17 PM   #343 
           - We threw out logic and embraced insanity in 2000 and 2001.  Rex   Jun-28-11 06:06 PM   #422 
           - Obtuse or Oblivious  Habitual Candor   Jun-26-11 08:02 PM   #95 
           - this is revolting. there was nothing about that woman that fit  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:11 PM   #111 
              - If we start traveling down the road of "profiling" then  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 11:15 PM   #134 
              - profile?  RainFromAbove   Jun-26-11 11:18 PM   #135 
              - Welcome to DU, RainFromAbove.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:16 PM   #300 
              - Then try this....  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:57 AM   #236 
        - Finally. "I do support the pat-downs combined with scanning..."  scarletwoman   Jun-26-11 03:33 PM   #36 
           - I've entered into countless other discussions about airport security.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:42 PM   #38 
              - You should be sorry.  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:56 PM   #48 
                 - +1 really. /nt  October   Jun-26-11 06:23 PM   #77 
     - I can't believe your lack of empathy. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-26-11 08:10 PM   #98 
     - I can.  OnyxCollie   Jun-27-11 10:49 AM   #247 
     - +1  Ignis   Jun-27-11 03:55 PM   #296 
     - Where's your empathy for the 95 year old who was supposed  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:22 AM   #388 
     - That word, Irony, does not mean what you think it does...  liberation   Jun-26-11 09:14 PM   #113 
     - Red Herring indeed.  Dawson Leery   Jun-26-11 04:17 PM   #56 
        - A hit, a palpable hit.  GoneOffShore   Jun-26-11 07:01 PM   #89 
        - Ding! Ding! Ding!  OnyxCollie   Jun-27-11 10:46 AM   #246 
     - You REALLY REALLY don't want to examine the real issue, which is the loss of ALL our freedoms in  scarletwoman   Jun-26-11 03:12 PM   #20 
     - This isn't hard work, I assure you. n/t  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:13 PM   #23 
     - No, I suppose it wouldn't be after lots of practice.  scarletwoman   Jun-26-11 03:24 PM   #34 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 08:12 PM   #99 
     - I got it. The TSA found a granny with a dirty diaper!!  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:04 PM   #341 
     - As I told her, she may feel differently when it's she or a loved who is in that position.  whathehell   Jun-26-11 03:18 PM   #28 
        - And those who are dismissing the discomfort of a 95 year old in a soiled diaper  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:21 PM   #31 
           - So is TSA now in the business of skin care?  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:24 PM   #33 
           - No, that is what is ironical.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 03:48 PM   #42 
              - It is amazing to watch someone to twist and turn so to make this  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:53 PM   #46 
              - OK I'm going to attempt to explain how a bad thing  pipi_k   Jun-26-11 04:09 PM   #51 
              - no. and by the way, I am damned glad for you and your daughter.  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:15 PM   #115 
              - The "quasi-police force" is helping to make sure that  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:32 PM   #123 
              - And in this particular case the elderly woman ended up  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:55 AM   #148 
                 - My suggestion...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 08:27 AM   #229 
              - It's not you. They're coming out of the woodwork today.  October   Jun-26-11 06:25 PM   #78 
              - Unless of course it was the treatment and attention by the TSA...  LanternWaste   Jun-26-11 05:16 PM   #67 
              - Do you understand the meaning of the word ironic?  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:38 PM   #124 
                 - How was she more comfortable? She didn't get a new diaper.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:43 AM   #142 
                    - Clean sweat pants would be more comfortable than a dirty diaper.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:30 AM   #176 
                    - The daughter started crying, TSA decided to search her.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:33 AM   #178 
                    - Where did you read that the mother had to fly alone?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:50 AM   #187 
                    - I didn't "speculate" anything. I already posted this link but  LisaL   Jun-27-11 03:09 AM   #190 
                       - You're right, she missed the departure. It turns out she never planned on taking the flight.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:21 AM   #191 
                          - You hit on what, to me, seems a key point  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:55 AM   #216 
                             - For one thing, it is unsupported by evidence so it's just conjecture on your part. nt  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 08:06 AM   #224 
                             - What is unsupported by evidence?  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:17 AM   #226 
                             - Right. And the TSA can't speak out now because of privacy issues,  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 11:56 AM   #256 
                             - The daughter's story hasn't changed. The TSA has changed  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:37 PM   #346 
                                - The daughter's story has changed multiple times.  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:07 AM   #383 
                                - So they demanded that this elderly woman's diaper be inspected.  Bonobo   Jun-28-11 02:15 AM   #391 
                                - No, she said they did not demand this.  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 03:51 AM   #393 
                    - What flight did the daughter miss?  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 10:59 AM   #248 
                    - ...  polly7   Jun-27-11 07:18 PM   #324 
                    - See my reply above  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 08:29 AM   #231 
              - given that she was singled out to have this vile thing done to her  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:14 PM   #114 
                 - Unlike a lot of people here,  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:42 PM   #125 
           - how sad.  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:13 PM   #112 
           - You believe this was about HER discomfort?  whathehell   Jun-27-11 03:59 AM   #194 
              - Only inadvertently.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:30 AM   #199 
     - and what does this matter? Going a few hours on a plane with one  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:09 PM   #110 
        - Actually it's not sufficient...  pipi_k   Jun-26-11 09:22 PM   #117 
        - Have you ever cared for a terminally ill parent?  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 08:07 AM   #225 
           - What's the difference between  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 08:40 AM   #233 
           - And then, when you make a mistake, you don't  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:06 PM   #260 
           - whatever  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 06:21 PM   #308 
           - Yeah, whatever...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 07:46 PM   #335 
           - Who is Mr P?  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 11:12 PM   #374 
           - Yeah, cause my parents adopted me.....no sperm involved  blueamy66   Jun-28-11 05:57 AM   #394 
              - And that goes to the first of my points...  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 07:45 AM   #400 
                 - truce  blueamy66   Jun-28-11 08:47 AM   #403 
           - Okay, me, too.  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:20 AM   #387 
           - Really?  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 11:16 PM   #378 
           - Of course I can understand making a mistake.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:08 PM   #262 
              - I have to admit that I never had to deal with that.  blueamy66   Jun-27-11 11:13 PM   #376 
        - You can't possibly understand how delicate the skin of a 95 year old is --  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:46 PM   #126 
           - She didn't get a new diaper since her daughter didn't have a spare.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:42 AM   #141 
           - She was wearing stretch pants, which aren't "nothing at all."  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:44 AM   #186 
           - Are you trying to derail a discussion of the TSA by making it a personal issue? nt  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 01:36 AM   #161 
           - No, there have been countless threads about the TSA.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:31 AM   #177 
           - And that's all it would take, too...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 08:02 AM   #221 
              - Yes, she could have easily wound up with a hideous bedsore.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:12 PM   #263 
  - True...at least there was that...  pipi_k   Jun-26-11 03:16 PM   #26 
  - they could have just forgot. My uncle and aunt came over to my  roguevalley   Jun-26-11 09:19 PM   #116 
  - Hmmm...let's see...  pipi_k   Jun-26-11 09:36 PM   #119 
  - And then those things become so routine,  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:52 PM   #130 
  - No one from TSA was looking into her diaper.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:49 PM   #128 
     - And that makes sense exactly how?  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:23 AM   #136 
     - As I said, they're not expected to have an opinion on what  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:43 AM   #143 
     - TSA doesn't have a procedure upon which they can demand  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:57 AM   #149 
        - I presume that the daughter, once alerted to the problem,  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:12 AM   #168 
           - The daughter started crying. TSA then decided to pat the daughter  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:15 AM   #171 
              - That's unfortunate. But the woman was still better off  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:20 AM   #173 
                 - Again, the daughter never made it onto the plane.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:28 AM   #175 
                    - So, why didn't Weber....  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 02:38 AM   #180 
                    - Because she didn't want an eldrely sick woman to sit at the airport  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:39 AM   #182 
                    - So, it was better to put her on a flight without her...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 02:41 AM   #183 
                       - And TSA thinks that a woman crying means she could be a  LisaL   Jun-27-11 02:43 AM   #184 
                       - Again...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 02:44 AM   #185 
                          - Yes, because the TSA account is so much more believable.  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 02:58 AM   #189 
                          - We are only hearing one side.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:35 AM   #201 
                             - +1  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:56 AM   #217 
                       - Ha, you're blaming the passenger for the airline's decision to fly the sick 95 yr. old woman alone?  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 02:56 AM   #188 
                          - The daughter had ALWAYS planned for the mother to fly alone.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:45 AM   #204 
                          - The daughter didn't have a ticket, and wasn't going  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:22 AM   #227 
                    - The daughter only wanted to put her mother on the plane.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:32 AM   #200 
                    - She never planned to fly with her mother.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:26 AM   #198 
                       - I know...disgusting...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 09:16 AM   #238 
     - So, once identified as "suspicious" they were directed to a public bathroom?  suffragette   Jun-27-11 10:02 AM   #239 
        - The TSA says the facts are not as Weber describes them.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 05:18 PM   #302 
           - If TSA truly believes a person is hiding something in their underwear,  LisaL   Jun-27-11 06:39 PM   #313 
           - The TSA agents aren't supposed to be acting based on their BELIEFS.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:51 PM   #315 
              - Oh gee. That's nice to know. Instead of thinking, they are supposed  LisaL   Jun-27-11 11:12 PM   #375 
                 - Pretty much. Because if they're following their hunches, then they're  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:24 AM   #389 
           - "maybe what really happened" ? You've gone over to pure speculation  suffragette   Jun-27-11 06:59 PM   #319 
     - Incorrect. They said they needed it to be changed because they couldn't check it  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 01:38 AM   #162 
        - No, Weber said they could feel that it was firm.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:44 AM   #203 
           - Yep, that's what I heard too...and...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 07:57 AM   #219 
              - The other thing I learned as I read more  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 11:45 AM   #253 
  - pipi, I think some people here have been through this.  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:47 PM   #127 
  - See if you feel that way when you, or someone close to you is wearing one.  whathehell   Jun-26-11 03:17 PM   #27 
  - I wouldn't send them on a 6 hour flight in a dirty one. nt  Incitatus   Jun-27-11 01:10 PM   #275 
     - Again...  whathehell   Jun-27-11 03:58 PM   #297 
        - Why isn't that the point? It's Weber who, instead of realizing  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:54 PM   #316 
           - Because the TSA  whathehell   Jun-27-11 07:48 PM   #337 
              - They might not have been looking out for the mother,  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:17 AM   #386 
                 - Funny  whathehell   Jun-28-11 01:52 AM   #390 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 09:57 PM   #122 
  - +1,368. n/t  Agent William   Jun-26-11 10:51 PM   #129 
  - How could this lady take care of her own needs  pnwmom   Jun-26-11 10:53 PM   #131 
  - There aren't enough +s  pecwae   Jun-27-11 06:07 AM   #209 
  - That's an interesting observation.  Incitatus   Jun-27-11 01:08 PM   #274 
  - Well I certainl hope she had it full of shit for them.  notadmblnd   Jun-26-11 03:10 PM   #18 
  - Brilliant and...  SDuderstadt   Jun-26-11 03:12 PM   #21 
  - I know, right?  stuntcat   Jun-26-11 03:39 PM   #37 
  - But, but, but she may have had a bomb in that diaper!!!!11!!11!  Lucian   Jun-26-11 03:19 PM   #30 
  - And TSA allowed the daughter to take the mother to the bathroom  LisaL   Jun-26-11 03:22 PM   #32 
  - Thank you.  woo me with science   Jun-26-11 03:43 PM   #39 
  - Exactly! Everyone is ignoring your point. It's illogical -- and talk about irony...  October   Jun-26-11 06:33 PM   #80 
     - And so WTF does it have to do with security?  LisaL   Jun-27-11 12:25 AM   #137 
        - Okay, put your terrorist thinking-cap on.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:21 PM   #265 
  - Unless the family could vouch for every single second  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 11:50 AM   #255 
     - I'd like to point out the famous quote by Benjamin Franklin...  Lucian   Jun-27-11 02:44 PM   #284 
     - I already know the famous quote by Benjamin Franklin, dear...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 05:49 PM   #303 
     - And also the time before the airport. The TSA wouldn't know  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:42 PM   #292 
        - That's true...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 06:00 PM   #304 
           - It seems that there's an awful lot of wishful thinking going on.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:15 PM   #306 
  - This is getting pathetic  Canuckistanian   Jun-26-11 03:49 PM   #43 
  - oh jesus christ on a stick...  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-11 04:06 PM   #49 
  - K&R  avebury   Jun-26-11 04:23 PM   #58 
  - The TSA are the real terrorists among us.  backscatter712   Jun-26-11 04:58 PM   #60 
  - Cleaning up dirty diapers ASAP is a matter of basic respect, whether the diaper is worn by  struggle4progress   Jun-26-11 05:05 PM   #64 
  - Strange to see so many people arguing against the need to change a soiled diaper.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 02:39 AM   #181 
     - I'm beginning to wonder if we Americans remember any discussion method beyond noisy outrage  struggle4progress   Jun-27-11 06:57 AM   #210 
        - Several people have said  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 11:59 AM   #257 
  - This is absolutely inexcusable.  Blue_In_AK   Jun-26-11 06:11 PM   #76 
  - There is no fucking sense in this.  Enthusiast   Jun-26-11 06:41 PM   #82 
  - Honestly, shit like this makes my blood boil  B-Stupid   Jun-26-11 06:49 PM   #83 
  - +1000000  woo me with science   Jun-27-11 01:34 AM   #159 
  - This is all Anthony Weiner's fault.  hedgehog   Jun-26-11 06:50 PM   #84 
  - What The Fuck Man...  WillyT   Jun-26-11 06:52 PM   #85 
  - A dying American woman having to go through this violation  MadMaddie   Jun-26-11 07:00 PM   #88 
  - I also don't see how this could be SOP.  LisaL   Jun-26-11 07:57 PM   #93 
     - But you heard the answer:  woo me with science   Jun-27-11 01:32 AM   #158 
        - But it is not the procedure.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 01:53 AM   #163 
        - They asked that it be....  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 01:56 AM   #164 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-27-11 01:57 AM   #165 
        - Um, except This TSA blather IS NOT TRUE.  WinkyDink   Jun-27-11 08:31 AM   #232 
        - What was the "vile accusation" against the family?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:42 AM   #202 
           - Shame on you.  woo me with science   Jun-27-11 07:29 AM   #213 
              - People here haven't grasped the facts -- that this woman  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 11:49 AM   #254 
                 - Yep....fifteen minutes or so...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 12:07 PM   #261 
                 - You know, I usually leave arguments because they have wound down,  woo me with science   Jun-27-11 12:14 PM   #264 
                    - Yes, it has sunk very low when so many people are arguing  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:51 PM   #271 
  - But...but...she signed away her Constitutional rights when she bought the ticket!!!  KansDem   Jun-26-11 07:27 PM   #91 
  - Bin Laden wins. nt  thereismore   Jun-26-11 07:57 PM   #94 
  - .  rhett o rick   Jun-26-11 08:14 PM   #100 
  - Sicker and sicker. Demented paranoia.  WinkyDink   Jun-26-11 08:05 PM   #96 
  - It's nutza ...  Lenomsky   Jun-26-11 08:07 PM   #97 
  - Meanwhile they give Vitter a pass...  Joe Bacon   Jun-26-11 08:27 PM   #102 
  - 19 guys with box cutters  The Wizard   Jun-26-11 08:49 PM   #104 
  - "19" is a fictitious number, never proven. But the result of 9/11? Madness.  WinkyDink   Jun-27-11 08:29 AM   #230 
  - Your statement sums up 9/11 very succinctly. And Pres.  LibDemAlways   Jun-27-11 10:28 AM   #243 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-11 08:55 PM   #105 
  - when does the insanity END?  Divine Discontent   Jun-26-11 09:23 PM   #118 
  - Unfortunately- I think it is only starting... n/t  BeHereNow   Jun-27-11 12:26 AM   # 
  - Unfortunately- I think it is only starting... n/t  BeHereNow   Jun-27-11 12:26 AM   #138 
  - hey bhn, sadly, it appears that way... big brother insanity  Divine Discontent   Jun-28-11 03:38 PM   #409 
  - Where WOULD it end, even in theory (if left up to them)...  Bonobo   Jun-27-11 12:46 AM   #145 
  - Oh, Florida. Now I understand.  gtar100   Jun-27-11 02:19 AM   #172 
  - Could Florida also explain  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 05:19 AM   #207 
  - Is there no end to this ?  kentuck   Jun-27-11 06:03 AM   #208 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-11 07:00 AM   #211 
  - This one?  somone   Jun-27-11 07:57 AM   #218 
     - Yes, thank you so much.  Pooka Fey   Jun-27-11 08:02 AM   #222 
  - home of the "brave" nt  meow mix   Jun-27-11 07:58 AM   #220 
  - TSA contact page. its fun to write them really nasty letters  meow mix   Jun-27-11 08:05 AM   #223 
  - My local airport is so much cooler than this. I forgot about a knife in my backpack ...  aikoaiko   Jun-27-11 10:09 AM   #241 
  - That was silly. They need to focus more on luggage  ecstatic   Jun-27-11 10:14 AM   #242 
  - We only know what the daughter said. Maybe the TSA agent  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:52 PM   #295 
  - TSA stands by officers after pat-down of elderly woman in Florida  kpete   Jun-27-11 10:30 AM   #244 
  - Anyone who could look at that woman and see a potential  LibDemAlways   Jun-27-11 10:36 AM   #245 
     - No, and that's sort of the point...  pipi_k   Jun-27-11 11:44 AM   #252 
     - There has to be some middle ground  lapislzi   Jun-27-11 12:24 PM   #266 
     - Speaking of human dignity,  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:38 PM   #268 
     - TSA has nothing to do with security. They would be no match at all for  LibDemAlways   Jun-27-11 01:58 PM   #282 
        - How come no "determined terrorist" has done so...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 03:10 PM   #288 
        - Tell me more about the "caliber of people who man the checkpoints"  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:23 PM   #345 
     - Slaves to fear become pawns of the national security state  Mimosa   Jun-27-11 09:18 PM   #357 
     - And that is why the procedures have been designed to eliminate  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:32 PM   #267 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-11 01:59 PM   #283 
           - I am logical. Those who argue for bias in TSA procedures  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:37 PM   #290 
  - Hope she left them a little present in that diaper  Blue Owl   Jun-27-11 11:14 AM   #249 
  - The reason the daughter is so upset is that the TSA asked her to change  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:39 PM   #269 
  - TSA is not the big problem in this story  aj_cd   Jun-27-11 11:20 AM   #250 
  - Thanks for the wise words. You speak from experience -- many people here clearly don't.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 12:48 PM   #270 
  - Next up ... TSA body cavity searches ... we can call it --  defendandprotect   Jun-27-11 01:03 PM   #272 
  - How about "Freedom Fingers"?  Glassunion   Jun-27-11 01:55 PM   #280 
     - "Patriot Probe" gets my vote ... !!  defendandprotect   Jun-27-11 01:57 PM   #281 
  - I hope they sue bigtime. We need more lawsuits against the gestapo TSA  spooked911   Jun-27-11 01:04 PM   #273 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-11 01:12 PM   #276 
  - we're in the early stages yet, dude  spooked911   Jun-28-11 05:58 AM   #395 
  - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-28-11 08:32 AM   #402 
     - let's not  spooked911   Jun-28-11 05:39 PM   #417 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-11 07:49 AM   #401 
  - What is she going to sue for? The right to put her dying mother  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:39 PM   #291 
     - Your laughter speaks volumes.  Ignis   Jun-27-11 03:58 PM   #298 
     - And so does your silence.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 04:14 PM   #299 
        - Do you own stock in Red Herring Enterprises or something?  Ignis   Jun-27-11 06:13 PM   #305 
           - This isn't a red herring. Weber wants to make a TSA issue  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:22 PM   #309 
              - I seriously think you should apply to work for TSA.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 06:26 PM   #310 
              - No, but I am experienced in caring for sick elderly people.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:34 PM   #311 
              - So am I. The daughter isn't the topic for god's sake.  Mimosa   Jun-27-11 09:24 PM   #358 
              - My similar suggestion got deleted. I posted that this  LibDemAlways   Jun-27-11 07:52 PM   #338 
              - The TSA is not the DSA.  Ignis   Jun-27-11 06:55 PM   #318 
              - It's the TSA's job to make sure nothing is hidden  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:10 PM   #321 
                 - So if underwear bomber shows up, they feel something in there,  LisaL   Jun-27-11 07:24 PM   #326 
                    - If it keeps PETN...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 07:27 PM   #327 
                    - Yea. I guess it will suck for all those people waiting in line, though.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 07:43 PM   #334 
                    - It'll suck less than...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 08:05 PM   #342 
                    - I guess that's what the terrorist in Russia was thinking when he  LisaL   Jun-27-11 08:49 PM   #349 
                    - And the airport terminal might then crash into a population center  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:21 PM   #344 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-11 05:59 AM   #396 
                    - We don't know what the TSA procedure is in all cases.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:27 PM   #328 
              - you don't know how full it was  spooked911   Jun-28-11 06:28 AM   #397 
     - humiliation, emotional distress, treating an old sick woman like a terrorist  spooked911   Jun-28-11 06:28 AM   #398 
  - Hey TSA, get a grip  fascisthunter   Jun-27-11 01:31 PM   #278 
  - Does anyone have any evidence the diaper was soiled before the womand had to face TSA agents?  saras   Jun-27-11 02:45 PM   #285 
  - The gel was hardened  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 03:05 PM   #287 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-28-11 05:32 PM   #413 
  - The daughter herself said that the mother hadn't been upset  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 03:33 PM   #289 
     - The mother is also very elderly and near death.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 06:36 PM   #312 
        - Then why would it be okay for Weber  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 06:45 PM   #314 
           - I really have no idea as to how I am supposed to know answers  LisaL   Jun-27-11 06:55 PM   #317 
              - You're right, common sense is missing here.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:02 PM   #320 
              - "Does TSA really think that 95 year old woman is hiding something dangerous in her adult diaper?"  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:16 PM   #323 
                 - Please. Explain to me why TSA send the daughter  LisaL   Jun-27-11 07:23 PM   #325 
                 - So you're complaining now because they didn't force the daughter  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:37 PM   #330 
                 - Well, it's not like they wanted to build a mosque or anything  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:47 PM   #336 
                 - Because she needed a new diaper  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:42 PM   #333 
                    - Oh please. Does TSA now stand for diaper inspection agency?  LisaL   Jun-27-11 11:24 PM   #379 
                       - Any underwear that feels, through outer clothing, as if it contains  pnwmom   Jun-28-11 12:15 AM   #385 
                 - Okay, I'll bite. Who is that sweet little old man  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 07:38 PM   #331 
                 - James von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter /nt  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 07:41 PM   #332 
                 - So, if they thought she was a threat, why did they send  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 08:50 PM   #350 
                    - Because she needed a new diaper  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 08:56 PM   #351 
                    - So, they allowed two suspected suicide bombers to  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 09:05 PM   #354 
                       - No, they were not "suspected suicide bombers"  jberryhill   Jun-27-11 09:09 PM   #355 
                       - No, see, it was fascism, because  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 10:27 PM   #361 
                       - I see you have now convinced yourself that the TSA are champions for the elderly.  Bonobo   Jun-28-11 02:35 AM   #392 
                       - They now claim they did not ask the daughter to change the  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 10:31 PM   #362 
                          - I believe that TSA is claiming they didn't offer the diaper  LisaL   Jun-27-11 10:38 PM   #364 
                          - Yes, but I guess they've received so many outraged complaints  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 10:45 PM   #366 
                             - I'm willing to bet...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 10:48 PM   #369 
                          - Wrong. They said they didn't "require" her to.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 11:05 PM   #373 
                             - Incorrect. The TSA defended their agents yesterday  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 11:16 PM   #377 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-11 11:33 PM   #380 
                       - I said all along that the TSA said they didn't order the diaper removal.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 10:25 PM   #360 
                          - Well, it seems you are wrong as the TSA is now saying they  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 10:37 PM   #363 
                          - No, they said they didn't "order" the removal.  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 10:47 PM   #367 
                             - Yea, maybe they just "suggested it" nicely, or she wasn't going to get  LisaL   Jun-27-11 10:48 PM   #368 
                             - No, this whole thing it about abuse of power. I know you are  sabrina 1   Jun-27-11 10:57 PM   #372 
                          - No you didn't say it all along.  LisaL   Jun-27-11 10:42 PM   #365 
                    - Sabrina...  SDuderstadt   Jun-27-11 08:57 PM   #352 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-27-11 09:11 PM   #356 
                    - Is it a "humane thing" to put your parent on a plane with a pre-soiled diaper?  pnwmom   Jun-27-11 10:22 PM   #359 
                       - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-27-11 10:50 PM   #370 
  - As long as Congress is willing to give them a blank check and plenty of money...  lib2DaBone   Jun-27-11 07:12 PM   #322 
  - "Ask Defender Janet" forum, click on diapers...elderly, not diapers/celebrities.  Safetykitten   Jun-27-11 10:54 PM   #371 
  - whew...is this really how frightened we are as a country?  EndElectoral   Jun-27-11 11:45 PM   #381 
  - Thank you, George W. Cheney-Obama.  flvegan   Jun-28-11 12:01 AM   #382 
  - We saw her on TV late last night  malaise   Jun-28-11 06:41 AM   #399 
     - Truly. Anyone who, in their wildest imagination, could  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-11 09:36 AM   #404 
        - I wouldn't go so far as to claim  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 09:48 AM   #405 
        - How about using common sense? And, yeah, it's  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-11 10:17 AM   #406 
        - I'm not saying it's good or bad...  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 05:34 PM   #415 
           - How about taking a look at the individuals who boarded planes on 9/11 and  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-11 05:59 PM   #419 
              - Hey, I don't care either way, really...  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 06:26 PM   #426 
                 - I agree as well  spooked911   Jun-30-11 11:39 AM   #435 
        - Did you forget the snark tag??  sabrina 1   Jun-28-11 01:01 PM   #407 
        - Profiling in an israelized airport  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-28-11 05:25 PM   #411 
           - Well, like I pointed out above...  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 05:41 PM   #418 
           - A determined terrorist doesn't have to sneak anything past  LibDemAlways   Jun-28-11 06:04 PM   #421 
           - Well, I'll agree that it's all theater  pipi_k   Jun-28-11 06:20 PM   #425 
           - We flew first class to Hawaii less than two months ago  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-28-11 06:32 PM   #427 
           - Amazing ain't it!? All the little authoritarians defending the poor ol' TSA.  Rex   Jun-28-11 06:09 PM   #424 
              - It is management not rank and file  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-28-11 06:34 PM   #428 
                 - It is a huge experiment in social engineering.  Rex   Jun-28-11 10:52 PM   #429 
        - I agree with you 100%  malaise   Jun-28-11 05:16 PM   #410 
 

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