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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:24 PM
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204. here's a link for you to read
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

doctors have long listed cannabis as an antidepressant b/c of its mood-elevating qualities. Those doctors in the U.S. who have done the most research into this substance refer to it as an antidepressant.

There is now research that indicates the way in which it may function like an SSRI to alleviate depression - doctors also do not know the exact way that SSRIs function but they can demonstrate the way in which the brain seems to respond in ways that may indicate the route by which it and cannabis alleviate depression (and also the way it may help PTSD sufferers as well.)

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  -work this out... kpete  Jun-26-11 12:38 PM   #0 
  - A HUGE K&R  nonperson   Jun-26-11 12:40 PM   #1 
  - Look  liberalmike27   Jun-27-11 11:32 AM   #99 
     - Addictive? LOL  nonperson   Jun-27-11 12:08 PM   #111 
     - I don't think the poster is susceptible to jack shit.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 01:00 PM   #135 
        - I agree with you but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt  nonperson   Jun-27-11 01:05 PM   #137 
           - Can the truth outweigh a paycheck?  Occulus   Jun-27-11 01:19 PM   #140 
              - Thanks  nonperson   Jun-27-11 01:53 PM   #147 
              - Yes, people are being paid to talk down pot on fringe message boards  Recursion   Jun-28-11 05:23 AM   #197 
                 - Yes, coke-heads are always ready with the "paranoia" charge.  Fly by night   Jun-28-11 08:33 AM   #199 
     - George Carlin said years ago...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Jun-27-11 09:28 PM   #188 
     - sucessful concern troll congrats.  slampoet   Jun-28-11 02:27 PM   #205 
     - Your experience isn't supported as the norm - experts on addiction say  RainDog   Jun-29-11 12:46 PM   #207 
  - Alcohol use when abused brings loads of money to police, probation,  monmouth   Jun-26-11 12:42 PM   #2 
  - cannabis when used and caught  onethatcares   Jun-26-11 02:03 PM   #14 
  - Allow me to dissuade you of  Le Taz Hot   Jun-27-11 05:53 AM   #43 
  - k&r  Tuesday Afternoon   Jun-26-11 12:45 PM   #3 
  - If pot were legal, my brother would still be alive today...  pipi_k   Jun-26-11 12:48 PM   #4 
  - but it's a gateway drug. that's what they keep saying. not sure how it's a gateway drug.  ejpoeta   Jun-26-11 01:37 PM   #13 
     - Me too. It wasn't until I was drunk that I began smoking cigs.. you know inhibition lowered.  glowing   Jun-26-11 10:49 PM   #29 
     - Same here.  dotymed   Jun-27-11 01:07 AM   #33 
     - It's a gateway drug because it's illegal.  JoeyT   Jun-27-11 01:13 AM   #34 
     - That's untrue, and always has been.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:05 AM   #68 
        - It was for me  Recursion   Jun-27-11 12:29 PM   #125 
     - It was a gateway to a successful college and professional career  kestrel91316   Jun-27-11 10:36 AM   #82 
  - K&R  patrice   Jun-26-11 12:50 PM   #5 
  - I'm not comfortable saying cannabis "cures cancer"  tridim   Jun-26-11 12:54 PM   #6 
  - I agree. "Shrinks Tumors" would be better. Still great overall though. nt  ZombieHorde   Jun-26-11 01:13 PM   #9 
  - It also supresses nausea...  JoshieR   Jun-27-11 10:24 AM   #78 
  - Me neither and there is no real data that states that. However,  Cleita   Jun-26-11 09:19 PM   #19 
  - There is real data that supports the premise that cannabis, or chemicals *in* cannabis,  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:26 AM   #80 
  - It's not my world view. I work for a doctor who  Cleita   Jun-27-11 11:20 AM   #97 
     - Well alrighty then. Your boss's opinion is good enough for ...  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 11:42 AM   #104 
        - He went to medical school and is a specialist in pain  Cleita   Jun-27-11 12:29 PM   #124 
           - No, they do NOT say that.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:42 PM   #130 
           - Excuse me but the OP said, 'cures cancer' if you bothered to read the chart. That is what  Cleita   Jun-27-11 12:47 PM   #131 
              - Okay, just stop. Not one of the articles linked to on this thread uses the phrase "cures cancer".  Occulus   Jun-27-11 01:16 PM   #139 
                 - I wasn't talking about the articles. Both the first  Cleita   Jun-27-11 01:20 PM   #141 
                    - Again with the little semantic game in the OP's chart.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 01:31 PM   #144 
           - Actually, since your boss is not an oncologist, his opinion may not be very well informed ...  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 12:56 PM   #133 
              - I never disputed the tumor shrinking properties. It was  Cleita   Jun-27-11 12:59 PM   #134 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-27-11 01:20 PM   #142 
                 - Take a look at my posts 50 & 91 for peer-reviewed articles ...  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 02:52 PM   #154 
  - It helped my dad a lot with the side effects of radiation and chemo over 30 years ago.  kestrel91316   Jun-27-11 10:38 AM   #83 
  - If you & the two posters above me are uncomfortable, you might want to actually educate yourselves.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 07:09 AM   #50 
     - Just wanted you to know that I read your post  Pooka Fey   Jun-27-11 08:30 AM   #56 
     - Re: safety and ruling out co-factors  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 11:23 AM   #98 
     - I'm very educated in cannabis, and I've had this debate before  tridim   Jun-27-11 10:16 AM   #75 
        - You don't appear to be very educated about cannabis, though semantics does seem your strong suit.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 10:59 AM   #91 
           - Though it's odd that I've already read everything you've posted.  tridim   Jun-27-11 11:41 AM   #103 
              - Semantics and sarcasm -- obviously you think what this thread needs is more cowbell.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 11:51 AM   #106 
                 - I understand everything the studies reported  tridim   Jun-27-11 12:09 PM   #112 
                    - If we agree that research should be able to proceed unfettered, that's a good place to stop.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 02:44 PM   #152 
  - I don't bother with either  MrScorpio   Jun-26-11 12:57 PM   #7 
  - Totally. Everyone knows PCP is the best.  ZombieHorde   Jun-26-11 01:12 PM   #8 
  - Dude, I totally thought that heroin was your bag  MrScorpio   Jun-26-11 01:15 PM   #10 
  - And what has that got to do witht the OP?  Bluenorthwest   Jun-26-11 01:18 PM   #11 
     - Oh, yeah. I totally get the Drug War angle  MrScorpio   Jun-26-11 01:29 PM   #12 
        - it's human nature  shanti   Jun-27-11 11:13 AM   #95 
  - K&R!!  felix_numinous   Jun-26-11 06:33 PM   #15 
  - Kick,kick,kick &recommended!  butterfly77   Jun-26-11 07:17 PM   #16 
  - rage is all I can feel over this  emald   Jun-26-11 09:12 PM   #17 
  - I knew a young man (I was too).  dotymed   Jun-27-11 01:20 AM   #35 
     - Could it be that the marijuana did not change your mentally disabled  JDPriestly   Jun-27-11 01:47 AM   #36 
        - Could it be that your mentally disabled friend felt more secure  NobodyInParticular   Jun-27-11 02:01 AM   #37 
        - Not at all.  dotymed   Jun-27-11 10:02 AM   #66 
  - it's obvious....  unkachuck   Jun-26-11 09:17 PM   #18 
  - The cannabis lobby is coming, see this link  Yavapai   Jun-26-11 10:02 PM   #22 
  - Black is White  Plucketeer   Jun-26-11 09:57 PM   #20 
  - Yep. Welcome to the 21st Century in the good ol' USA  gtar100   Jun-27-11 02:03 AM   #38 
  - Dupont couldn't control it  handmade34   Jun-26-11 09:58 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, but Monsanto could find a way  quakerboy   Jun-26-11 10:13 PM   #25 
     - I would rather  handmade34   Jun-26-11 10:16 PM   #26 
        - It's really close to passing  Le Taz Hot   Jun-27-11 06:05 AM   #44 
  - Who drew this up? A stoned 15 year old?  harmonicon   Jun-26-11 10:09 PM   #23 
  - Can't argue with you when you're right.  Mister Ed   Jun-27-11 04:24 AM   #40 
  - No shit.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 04:35 AM   #41 
  - Addicitve my ass  Speed8098   Jun-27-11 05:42 AM   #42 
  - +1  Le Taz Hot   Jun-27-11 06:12 AM   #46 
  - Pot is CERTAINLY addictive  spooked911   Jun-27-11 06:25 AM   #48 
  - Actually, one might be unread if one thinks pot is addictive.  Le Taz Hot   Jun-27-11 07:45 AM   #54 
  - There's a big difference between trying to quit a substance that is...  rbnyc   Jun-27-11 08:48 AM   #59 
  - Then How Come  otohara   Jun-27-11 10:04 AM   #67 
  - I think it is "psychologically addictive."  dotymed   Jun-27-11 10:09 AM   #70 
  - No, it's not.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:13 AM   #74 
  - Yeah, sure it is. Just as addictive as alcohol.  EOTE   Jun-27-11 11:09 AM   #92 
  - Not according to NIDA research which ranks cannabis at the bottom of addictive substances.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 11:56 AM   #107 
  - That depends on what you mean by addictive.  phleshdef   Jun-27-11 11:13 AM   #94 
  - A person with a personality disorder and a pre-disposition to addictive behavior may seem  haele   Jun-27-11 01:01 PM   #136 
  - Thanks. These days, pro-marijuana policy reform OPs really attract the no-nothings around here.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 07:26 AM   #51 
  - I'd hate to be a "no-nothing."  dotymed   Jun-27-11 10:11 AM   #72 
  - Yes indeedy. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, as are the very informative OPs ...  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 11:35 AM   #101 
  - I know, I know .... Don't worry, dotymed, you'll always be a "yes-something" to me.  Fly by night   Jun-28-11 06:42 AM   #198 
  - I'm a numb-nuts now? Thanks, dude.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 02:47 PM   #153 
     - I don't know who you are or what engendered this response, but ...  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 02:57 PM   #155 
     - I used to like you. Oh well. nt.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 03:07 PM   #157 
        - Once again ...who are you?  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 03:15 PM   #160 
           - Is this not offensive?:  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 03:30 PM   #162 
              - Well at least now I know what you're upset about.  Fly by night   Jun-27-11 04:31 PM   #174 
                 - We've interacted here before, just not a lot.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 04:40 PM   #178 
                    - I still think the two of you are talking past each other n/t  Occulus   Jun-27-11 05:36 PM   #181 
     - I think he meant "any of the three"  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:31 PM   #163 
  - *spewing water that was so funny*  Recursion   Jun-27-11 09:41 AM   #64 
  - Still true, though.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:16 AM   #76 
     - Yes, yes, you can quit any time you want to  Recursion   Jun-27-11 10:25 AM   #79 
        - Only those who want to keep it illegal make THAT claim.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:31 AM   #81 
           - Did you read the OP? "Cures cancer", etc. (nt)  Recursion   Jun-27-11 12:01 PM   #109 
              - Did you read the science?  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:22 PM   #117 
                 - The PCD is questionable at best  Recursion   Jun-27-11 12:25 PM   #121 
                    - Ah, the old tobacco company canard.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:27 PM   #123 
                       - I'm not sure you know what "canard" means...  Recursion   Jun-27-11 12:31 PM   #126 
                          - Because you and others are spewing untruths all over this topic.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:49 PM   #132 
                             - Bwa-ha-ha-ha!  Recursion   Jun-27-11 01:28 PM   #143 
                                - I didn't say they couldn't.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 01:43 PM   #145 
                                   - Oh, I sincerely doubt that  Recursion   Jun-27-11 01:53 PM   #148 
                                      - This is all speculation anyway.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:10 PM   #158 
                                         - It would all depend on the laws.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 04:22 PM   #172 
                                            - If citizens are allowed to grow for personal use, the business market could flourish  Occulus   Jun-27-11 05:26 PM   #180 
                                               - Bell's is one of my favourite breweries.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 06:04 PM   #186 
  - I'm plenty informed.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 02:36 PM   #151 
     - "Smoking pot does the same shit to your body as smoking cigarettes, but contains even more tar."  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:14 PM   #159 
        - When did I ever suggest that cannabis should be illegal?  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 03:36 PM   #166 
           - You didn't.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 05:47 PM   #184 
              - You may be addicted. I don't know.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 05:54 PM   #185 
  - Not physically addictive...  rbnyc   Jun-27-11 08:35 AM   #57 
  - Looks like it may be true, actually.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:19 AM   #77 
     - Cool.  rbnyc   Jun-27-11 01:52 PM   #146 
        - Bear in mind, that's in rats.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:18 PM   #161 
  - Wrong, wrong, and more wrong.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:12 AM   #73 
  - I have smoked plenty of cannabis. Never experienced ANY  kestrel91316   Jun-27-11 10:42 AM   #87 
     - I know that it has few hallucinogenic effects.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 03:06 PM   #156 
        - Anyone having hallucinations after smoking pot probably smoked a batch laced  fascisthunter   Jun-27-11 10:02 PM   #191 
  - I worked it out. I'm saying Legalize the herb that grows in the ground.  bertman   Jun-26-11 10:10 PM   #24 
  - A very informative documentary  felix_numinous   Jun-26-11 10:17 PM   #27 
  - Chris Rock says...  Danchi   Jun-26-11 10:24 PM   #28 
  - +1  mac56   Jun-26-11 11:13 PM   #30 
  - Elites need to separate us all from nature -- it represents profits/wealth for them...  defendandprotect   Jun-27-11 12:04 AM   #31 
  - I have heard stuff like that before.  RandomThoughts   Jun-27-11 12:39 AM   #32 
     - Not clear on your postion -- however, it is capitalism exploitation of nature which brings profit...  defendandprotect   Jun-27-11 12:40 PM   #129 
  - Brain cells?  matk   Jun-27-11 04:17 AM   #39 
  - I have never smoked pot yet I am all for legalizing it  nadine_mn   Jun-27-11 06:08 AM   #45 
  - Cures cancer? Saves police billions? Grows brain cells?  TroglodyteScholar   Jun-27-11 06:14 AM   #47 
  - "...reasonable people would dismiss them outright."  immoderate   Jun-27-11 10:10 AM   #71 
  - Once again,  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:40 AM   #86 
     - Throw around terms like "ignorant" all you like. It won't gain you any converts.  TroglodyteScholar   Jun-28-11 12:02 PM   #201 
  - I am for legalizing MJ however I think this graph is wrong  rosesaylavee   Jun-27-11 06:56 AM   #49 
  - here's a link for you to read  RainDog   Jun-28-11 02:24 PM   #204 
  - I'm putting this on a T-shirt. I have friends who keep saying...  Harriety   Jun-27-11 07:35 AM   #52 
  - Thanks Kpete for working this out... I wonder ,though, how  midnight   Jun-27-11 07:41 AM   #53 
  - I support decriminalization, but I agree that this graph is wrong.  Pooka Fey   Jun-27-11 07:47 AM   #55 
  - I'm all for legailizing it but...extended use does cause stupidity  teewrex   Jun-27-11 08:42 AM   #58 
  - I'm for legalizing it if it means I don't have to listen to my stoner friends...  Recursion   Jun-27-11 09:40 AM   #62 
     - I think you just won this thread. nt.  harmonicon   Jun-27-11 04:28 PM   #173 
  - Um, grows brain cells and cures cancer?  Deep13   Jun-27-11 09:10 AM   #60 
  - A synthetic chemical similar to THC caused new brain cell growth in rats, possibly  Recursion   Jun-27-11 09:47 AM   #65 
  - "Cures cancer"... "grows brain cells"  Recursion   Jun-27-11 09:38 AM   #61 
  - Go Google "cannabis tumor apoptosis" and "cannabis cell growth brain".  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:46 AM   #89 
     - Even if it didn't have anti-cancer properties, it definately helps people get through chemotherapy.  phleshdef   Jun-27-11 11:16 AM   #96 
     - I'll do you one better; I've read both of those initial studies  Recursion   Jun-27-11 12:00 PM   #108 
        - "both of those initial studies"  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:26 PM   #122 
  - If you are in BIG Pharma and the Police Tech business, definitely keep pot illegal  LiberalArkie   Jun-27-11 09:40 AM   #63 
  - A microcosm of the insanity of our national policy encapsulated in a single  indepat   Jun-27-11 10:06 AM   #69 
  - Nobody has every died from smoking cigarettes either. If you want to use that logic. nt  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-27-11 10:39 AM   #84 
  - Tobacco smoke is a direct cause of lung cancer.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 10:44 AM   #88 
     - I'm not talking about the effects of smoking. I'm talking about the act of smoking.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-27-11 10:53 AM   #90 
        - Who died from the effects of cannabis?  tridim   Jun-27-11 12:18 PM   #113 
        - BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH  Occulus   Jun-27-11 12:36 PM   #128 
           - Not quite. It's the same argument Big Cancer made for their cigarettes.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-27-11 01:11 PM   #138 
  - K&R  Bobbie Jo   Jun-27-11 10:39 AM   #85 
  - I agree with all of it except the "Grows Brain Cells"part  RyanPsych   Jun-27-11 11:11 AM   #93 
  - But ganja fills up the private prisons  malaise   Jun-27-11 11:34 AM   #100 
  - Reality check  DreamSmoker   Jun-27-11 11:39 AM   #102 
  - right on! but grows brain cells?  robinlynne   Jun-27-11 11:51 AM   #105 
  - Here is more on the brain cell claim  nonperson   Jun-27-11 12:19 PM   #114 
  - It wasn't about disagreeing. dont know if I can handle strong doses twice a day though.  robinlynne   Jun-27-11 02:29 PM   #150 
  - THIS I didn't know about  fascisthunter   Jun-27-11 03:47 PM   #170 
  - Yep, that's what recent research is finding.  tridim   Jun-27-11 12:24 PM   #120 
     - "Cannabis doesn't make men grow breasts either."  nonperson   Jun-27-11 02:01 PM   #149 
  - Pot is great, but it does not CURE cancer.  obxhead   Jun-27-11 12:04 PM   #110 
  - OK, let's be honest  nonperson   Jun-27-11 12:22 PM   #118 
     - Obviously you can't read your own link used for argument.  obxhead   Jun-27-11 04:19 PM   #171 
        - Obviously you missed this part:  nonperson   Jun-27-11 09:48 PM   #189 
        - Cured. Highlight a single line that says anything relating to a CURE.  obxhead   Jun-28-11 02:20 AM   #194 
        - That argument was also made in the article you read  nonperson   Jun-27-11 10:06 PM   #192 
           - For fucks sake.  obxhead   Jun-28-11 02:23 AM   #195 
           - For your sake  nonperson   Jun-28-11 05:17 AM   #196 
           - x  obxhead   Jun-28-11 11:46 AM   #200 
  - K&R  pscot   Jun-27-11 12:20 PM   #115 
  - If I grow more brain cells, will pot keep my head from exploding...or growing grotesquely big? eom  yawnmaster   Jun-27-11 12:20 PM   #116 
  - The effect, if it is there, is miniscule.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:33 PM   #164 
     - It might be miniscule, but I only have so much space in my head. I may have to mix pot and gin...  yawnmaster   Jun-27-11 03:45 PM   #168 
        - That might work.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 05:10 PM   #179 
  - Taxed should have been on the Legal side and not Taxed on the illegal side.  sarcasmo   Jun-27-11 12:24 PM   #119 
  - Good point.  Occulus   Jun-27-11 03:37 PM   #167 
     - We had the spelling discussion today. Us old school folks still spell it with a J.  sarcasmo   Jun-28-11 08:08 PM   #206 
  - Well done -- another kr  defendandprotect   Jun-27-11 12:34 PM   #127 
  - Uh? What??  RoadRage   Jun-27-11 03:36 PM   #165 
  - take time to read the info people are posting  fascisthunter   Jun-27-11 03:45 PM   #169 
  - "I think it ranks right up there with cigarettes."  Occulus   Jun-27-11 05:38 PM   #182 
  - Man, I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here on a supposedly "progressive" forum  nonperson   Jun-27-11 09:55 PM   #190 
  - I don't want your kid smoking it either  RainDog   Jun-28-11 01:03 PM   #202 
  - A little on the optimistic side  hootinholler   Jun-27-11 04:31 PM   #175 
  - .  hootinholler   Jun-27-11 04:32 PM   #176 
  - How can we know if it's on the "optimistic side"  nonperson   Jun-27-11 10:10 PM   #193 
  - Kicked but too late to recommend.  Uncle Joe   Jun-27-11 04:33 PM   #177 
  - Grows brain cells?  Matariki   Jun-27-11 05:40 PM   #183 
  - here's a report on a study that indicated brain cells increased by 40% in mammal experiments  RainDog   Jun-28-11 02:19 PM   #203 
  - Cost Savings : Jeffrey Mirons - senior lecturer in economics at Harvard  RainDog   Jun-27-11 06:23 PM   #187 
 

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