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| 20. Third Way - Heath Care Reform - Do not say universal HC - We need a uniquely American solution... |
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Some talking points from the Herndon Alliance and published on the Third Way site... • Don’t say “universal” health care. Talk about “quality, affordable health care for all.” (But remember—quality, affordable health care for all is largely a message about access.) • Don’t compare the U.S. to other countries, or assert that America does not provide quality health care. (i.e. Do not cite statistics that say the U.S. is 37th in the world in health outcomes). FISA, Telecom Immunity, Senator Rockefeller, Third Wayhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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| -Third Way's pleasure about AARP's stance on SS reform truly angers me. |
madfloridian |
Jun-18-11 03:27 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-18-11 03:28 PM |
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I'm very tired |
Aerows |
Jun-18-11 03:28 PM |
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If you are entitled to them then they are entitlements... n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jun-18-11 03:40 PM |
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Let me clarify |
Aerows |
Jun-18-11 03:58 PM |
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Don't surrender in the semantic war... |
PoliticAverse |
Jun-18-11 04:20 PM |
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I think the problem is.... |
AntiFascist |
Jun-19-11 01:16 PM |
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"entitlements" is a term they attach to anything they want to get rid of. |
JHB |
Jun-19-11 01:51 PM |
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All I know |
Aerows |
Jun-19-11 02:13 PM |
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Republicans and Democrats joined together to raise the retirement age in 1983 |
PoliticAverse |
Jun-19-11 04:42 PM |
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That started long ago, when they used it to attack Welfare |
JHB |
Jun-19-11 01:41 PM |
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I think it's time to start calling them what they are, |
Cleita |
Jun-19-11 01:12 AM |
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The taxes you paid into all your working life for Medicare and Social Security |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-18-11 04:11 PM |
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That doesn't mean we are any less entitled to what we were promised. nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jun-18-11 05:25 PM |
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In theory, yes |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-18-11 09:54 PM |
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I see. You've bought into the 'pyramid scheme' meme of the |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jun-18-11 11:51 PM |
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It's just simple mathematics |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 12:20 AM |
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simple mathematics? |
arakis8 |
Jun-19-11 09:19 AM |
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Ok for starters, something I learned in writing class would help you, too |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 03:20 PM |
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You miss the point. |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-19-11 05:12 PM |
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Some obligations to creditors don't get repaid in the way that was anticipated |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 09:15 PM |
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Perhaps |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-19-11 09:56 PM |
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Ok, so you're for refinancing |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 10:13 PM |
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Like I said |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-19-11 10:56 PM |
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We'd better hope that inflation doesn't come back |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-20-11 05:35 PM |
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Privatize SS? Yeah that will work. |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-19-11 08:26 PM |
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Well, unless you're disabled, you get it in retirement |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 09:20 PM |
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really.......care to back that up with facts? |
madrchsod |
Jun-19-11 12:56 AM |
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Certainly |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 03:47 PM |
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irrelevant facts & opinions don't count. |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-19-11 08:28 PM |
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What's irrelevant about the fact that both are going broke? |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-19-11 09:11 PM |
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You can not have anything "off the table" |
RB TexLa |
Jun-18-11 03:30 PM |
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..... except wars & military spending |
DJ13 |
Jun-18-11 03:41 PM |
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No, you can not have anything off the table. Remember we are talking about stealing money |
RB TexLa |
Jun-18-11 03:44 PM |
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Sorry, you know how it will be |
DJ13 |
Jun-18-11 03:51 PM |
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What do you think |
Aerows |
Jun-18-11 04:03 PM |
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Impeachment of Republicans is always off the table.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-19-11 11:52 AM |
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"Progressive organization" - see how they keep moving the |
alsame |
Jun-18-11 03:33 PM |
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If it doesn't walk progressive & it doesn't talk progressive, it is not progressive. |
Divernan |
Jun-18-11 03:48 PM |
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Yup. Corporatist is corporatist, regardless of "party" affiliation. n/t |
SusanaMontana41 |
Jun-19-11 03:39 PM |
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Politicians are not entitled to pensions and health care |
Angry Dragon |
Jun-18-11 03:45 PM |
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Exactly |
Aerows |
Jun-18-11 04:05 PM |
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They're the same people - of course they have the same policies. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jun-18-11 05:15 PM |
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Yes, the poison pill is very much alive and well. |
mmonk |
Jun-18-11 05:30 PM |
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It's kind of like.... |
madfloridian |
Jun-18-11 06:29 PM |
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Please see your PMs |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jun-19-11 10:14 AM |
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Third Way - Heath Care Reform - Do not say universal HC - We need a uniquely American solution... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-18-11 06:56 PM |
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And uniquely American is what we have always had. |
mmonk |
Jun-18-11 07:48 PM |
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Yes, profits and campaign contributions :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-18-11 08:08 PM |
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Everyone should peruse that site and follow some links. |
madfloridian |
Jun-18-11 08:25 PM |
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Yes as they have in the past ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-18-11 08:36 PM |
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I remember when Third Way was founded by the Clintons and Tony Blair... |
madfloridian |
Jun-18-11 08:49 PM |
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We need to pay more attention, but too many are easily distracted... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-18-11 11:16 PM |
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Just as the 'Tea Party' is just rebranded Republicans |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-18-11 09:05 PM |
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thats the plan... cuts will be made, the only permitted topic for debate is how deep |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 11:21 PM |
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Will debate even be permitted? |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 07:52 AM |
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aarp is an insurance corporation giving cover to neocons in both parties. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-18-11 11:45 PM |
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Hi Mad....this is professional wrestling...the outcome is already |
russspeakeasy |
Jun-19-11 10:07 AM |
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This is NOT a foregone conclusion. And even if it happens, it can be reversed. |
w4rma |
Jun-19-11 08:05 PM |
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I prefer The First Way -- Democratic core values -- |
Overseas |
Jun-19-11 10:08 AM |
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Unbelievable... |
chervilant |
Jun-19-11 10:48 AM |
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Lanny Davis: Obama's approach a direct line from DLC, Third Way |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 10:58 AM |
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Lanny Davis is a Skull & Boners. |
Mimosa |
Jun-19-11 08:36 PM |
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This is the way Dino's and Bluedogs work |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-19-11 11:47 AM |
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Remember this picture. We will cave just as AARP did. |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 11:48 AM |
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I think the caving is already done...the fight is as phoney as |
russspeakeasy |
Jun-19-11 10:11 PM |
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KR for enlightening post. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-19-11 11:51 AM |
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Their policies are selling out the middle class and seniors on pretense... |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 12:43 PM |
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Our country is full of criminals, it's a criminal society now |
StarburstClock |
Jun-19-11 02:33 PM |
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So this guy got a group of fellow young punks to fight my, and their own, future. Thanks, b*****ds. |
WinkyDink |
Jun-19-11 03:39 PM |
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I would love to know the name of the group he formed. Did some research... |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 09:31 PM |
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I'd like to point out that the term Third Way used to be a term for Fascism. |
white_wolf |
Jun-19-11 03:43 PM |
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Sounds to me like one guy at AARP went off the reservation. |
Faygo Kid |
Jun-19-11 04:29 PM |
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Remember Bill Novelli in 2003? AARP denied their support then.... |
madfloridian |
Jun-19-11 05:08 PM |
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Isn't the AARP to United Health Care like Mountain Dew os to Pepsi? |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-19-11 05:36 PM |
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In 2008 AARP Services received $652,000,000 in royalties from insurance companies |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jun-19-11 10:22 PM |
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Thank you for the news, MadFloridian |
Mimosa |
Jun-19-11 08:34 PM |
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