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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:56 PM
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20. Third Way - Heath Care Reform - Do not say universal HC - We need a uniquely American solution...

Some talking points from the Herndon Alliance and published on the Third Way site...

Dont say universal health care. Talk about quality, affordable health care for
all. (But rememberquality, affordable health care for all is largely a message
about access.)

Dont compare the U.S. to other countries, or assert that America does not
provide quality health care. (i.e. Do not cite statistics that say the U.S. is 37th in
the world in health outcomes).

FISA, Telecom Immunity, Senator Rockefeller, Third Way

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  -Third Way's pleasure about AARP's stance on SS reform truly angers me. madfloridian  Jun-18-11 03:27 PM   #0 
  - recommend  xchrom   Jun-18-11 03:28 PM   #1 
  - I'm very tired  Aerows   Jun-18-11 03:28 PM   #2 
  - If you are entitled to them then they are entitlements... n/t  PoliticAverse   Jun-18-11 03:40 PM   #5 
  - Let me clarify  Aerows   Jun-18-11 03:58 PM   #11 
  - Don't surrender in the semantic war...  PoliticAverse   Jun-18-11 04:20 PM   #15 
  - I think the problem is....  AntiFascist   Jun-19-11 01:16 PM   #47 
     - "entitlements" is a term they attach to anything they want to get rid of.  JHB   Jun-19-11 01:51 PM   #49 
        - All I know  Aerows   Jun-19-11 02:13 PM   #50 
           - Republicans and Democrats joined together to raise the retirement age in 1983  PoliticAverse   Jun-19-11 04:42 PM   #58 
  - That started long ago, when they used it to attack Welfare  JHB   Jun-19-11 01:41 PM   #48 
  - I think it's time to start calling them what they are,  Cleita   Jun-19-11 01:12 AM   #34 
  - The taxes you paid into all your working life for Medicare and Social Security  customerserviceguy   Jun-18-11 04:11 PM   #14 
     - That doesn't mean we are any less entitled to what we were promised. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Jun-18-11 05:25 PM   #17 
        - In theory, yes  customerserviceguy   Jun-18-11 09:54 PM   #27 
           - I see. You've bought into the 'pyramid scheme' meme of the  RaleighNCDUer   Jun-18-11 11:51 PM   #31 
           - It's just simple mathematics  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 12:20 AM   #32 
              - simple mathematics?  arakis8   Jun-19-11 09:19 AM   #36 
                 - Ok for starters, something I learned in writing class would help you, too  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 03:20 PM   #52 
                    - You miss the point.  sulphurdunn   Jun-19-11 05:12 PM   #60 
                    - Some obligations to creditors don't get repaid in the way that was anticipated  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 09:15 PM   #68 
                       - Perhaps  sulphurdunn   Jun-19-11 09:56 PM   #71 
                          - Ok, so you're for refinancing  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 10:13 PM   #73 
                             - Like I said  sulphurdunn   Jun-19-11 10:56 PM   #75 
                                - We'd better hope that inflation doesn't come back  customerserviceguy   Jun-20-11 05:35 PM   #76 
                    - Privatize SS? Yeah that will work.  U4ikLefty   Jun-19-11 08:26 PM   #63 
                       - Well, unless you're disabled, you get it in retirement  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 09:20 PM   #69 
           - to back that up with facts?  madrchsod   Jun-19-11 12:56 AM   #33 
              - Certainly  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 03:47 PM   #56 
                 - irrelevant facts & opinions don't count.  U4ikLefty   Jun-19-11 08:28 PM   #64 
                    - What's irrelevant about the fact that both are going broke?  customerserviceguy   Jun-19-11 09:11 PM   #67 
  - You can not have anything "off the table"  RB TexLa   Jun-18-11 03:30 PM   #3 
  - ..... except wars & military spending  DJ13   Jun-18-11 03:41 PM   #6 
  - No, you can not have anything off the table. Remember we are talking about stealing money  RB TexLa   Jun-18-11 03:44 PM   #7 
     - Sorry, you know how it will be  DJ13   Jun-18-11 03:51 PM   #10 
     - What do you think  Aerows   Jun-18-11 04:03 PM   #12 
  - Impeachment of Republicans is always off the table..  Fumesucker   Jun-19-11 11:52 AM   #45 
  - "Progressive organization" - see how they keep moving the  alsame   Jun-18-11 03:33 PM   #4 
  - If it doesn't walk progressive & it doesn't talk progressive, it is not progressive.  Divernan   Jun-18-11 03:48 PM   #9 
     - Yup. Corporatist is corporatist, regardless of "party" affiliation. n/t  SusanaMontana41   Jun-19-11 03:39 PM   #53 
  - Politicians are not entitled to pensions and health care  Angry Dragon   Jun-18-11 03:45 PM   #8 
  - Exactly  Aerows   Jun-18-11 04:05 PM   #13 
  - They're the same people - of course they have the same policies.  RaleighNCDUer   Jun-18-11 05:15 PM   #16 
  - Yes, the poison pill is very much alive and well.  mmonk   Jun-18-11 05:30 PM   #18 
  - It's kind of like....  madfloridian   Jun-18-11 06:29 PM   #19 
     - Please see your PMs  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-19-11 10:14 AM   #39 
  - Third Way - Heath Care Reform - Do not say universal HC - We need a uniquely American solution...  slipslidingaway   Jun-18-11 06:56 PM   #20 
  - And uniquely American is what we have always had.  mmonk   Jun-18-11 07:48 PM   #21 
  - Yes, profits and campaign contributions :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-18-11 08:08 PM   #22 
  - Everyone should peruse that site and follow some links.  madfloridian   Jun-18-11 08:25 PM   #23 
     - Yes as they have in the past ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-18-11 08:36 PM   #24 
        - I remember when Third Way was founded by the Clintons and Tony Blair...  madfloridian   Jun-18-11 08:49 PM   #25 
           - We need to pay more attention, but too many are easily distracted...  slipslidingaway   Jun-18-11 11:16 PM   #28 
  - Just as the 'Tea Party' is just rebranded Republicans  Bluenorthwest   Jun-18-11 09:05 PM   #26 
  - thats the plan... cuts will be made, the only permitted topic for debate is how deep  peace4ever   Jun-18-11 11:21 PM   #29 
  - Will debate even be permitted?  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 07:52 AM   #35 
  - aarp is an insurance corporation giving cover to neocons in both parties.  Jakes Progress   Jun-18-11 11:45 PM   #30 
  - Hi Mad....this is professional wrestling...the outcome is already  russspeakeasy   Jun-19-11 10:07 AM   #37 
  - This is NOT a foregone conclusion. And even if it happens, it can be reversed.  w4rma   Jun-19-11 08:05 PM   #62 
  - I prefer The First Way -- Democratic core values --  Overseas   Jun-19-11 10:08 AM   #38 
  - Unbelievable...  chervilant   Jun-19-11 10:48 AM   #40 
  - Lanny Davis: Obama's approach a direct line from DLC, Third Way  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 10:58 AM   #41 
  - Lanny Davis is a Skull & Boners.  Mimosa   Jun-19-11 08:36 PM   #66 
  - This is the way Dino's and Bluedogs work  ooglymoogly   Jun-19-11 11:47 AM   #42 
  - Remember this picture. We will cave just as AARP did.  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 11:48 AM   #43 
  - I think the caving is already done...the fight is as phoney as  russspeakeasy   Jun-19-11 10:11 PM   #72 
  - KR for enlightening post. nt  ooglymoogly   Jun-19-11 11:51 AM   #44 
  - Their policies are selling out the middle class and seniors on pretense...  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 12:43 PM   #46 
  - Our country is full of criminals, it's a criminal society now  StarburstClock   Jun-19-11 02:33 PM   #51 
  - So this guy got a group of fellow young punks to fight my, and their own, future. Thanks, b*****ds.  WinkyDink   Jun-19-11 03:39 PM   #54 
  - I would love to know the name of the group he formed. Did some research...  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 09:31 PM   #70 
  - I'd like to point out that the term Third Way used to be a term for Fascism.  white_wolf   Jun-19-11 03:43 PM   #55 
  - Sounds to me like one guy at AARP went off the reservation.  Faygo Kid   Jun-19-11 04:29 PM   #57 
  - Remember Bill Novelli in 2003? AARP denied their support then....  madfloridian   Jun-19-11 05:08 PM   #59 
  - Isn't the AARP to United Health Care like Mountain Dew os to Pepsi?  TheKentuckian   Jun-19-11 05:36 PM   #61 
  - In 2008 AARP Services received $652,000,000 in royalties from insurance companies  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jun-19-11 10:22 PM   #74 
  - Thank you for the news, MadFloridian  Mimosa   Jun-19-11 08:34 PM   #65 

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