| 110. Any pro-Nader post is a violation of rule 2. |
| -From "About Democratic Underground." |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 12:58 PM |
#0 |
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"who will work with us to achieve our shared goals" |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 01:01 PM |
#1 |
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+1. From what I understand, DU does not welcome Republicans or those who enable their election. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:03 PM |
#3 |
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Yes, you cannot support a non-Democrat here. |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 07:06 AM |
#99 |
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Unless he's Charlie Crist, then it's A-ok. |
Zephie |
Jun-18-11 09:06 AM |
#114 |
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Which is covered in... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-18-11 09:14 AM |
#116 |
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Or Bernie Sanders? |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 12:57 PM |
#156 |
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I've no idea what "Naderite Nonsense" to which you refer. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#6 |
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The recent flood of comments spreading "They're all the same!" bullshit. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 01:17 PM |
#19 |
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By those standards, "Naderite Nonesense" |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:32 PM |
#30 |
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Plenty of people who imply they will vote third party without explicitly saying it. Some even say |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:36 PM |
#34 |
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Nader didn't enable repukes. Neither did Nader voters. |
tekisui |
Jun-17-11 02:10 PM |
#57 |
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Nader enabled the entire existence of the Bush administration. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:17 PM |
#75 |
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You know, this has been thoroughly countered |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 03:27 PM |
#76 |
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It's never been countered. It's been rationalized by people who didn't want to admit the facts. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:35 PM |
#77 |
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Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-17-11 03:49 PM |
#83 |
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Even your application of Post hoc ergo prompter hoc is a rationalization. Just like the rest of |
stevenleser |
Jun-18-11 03:20 PM |
#180 |
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It is not that simple. There is no proof that those voters would have |
tekisui |
Jun-17-11 04:40 PM |
#84 |
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Come on, now, who would you rather fight? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-18-11 12:36 PM |
#145 |
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kr |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 03:53 PM |
#181 |
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False. Gore won. Election fraud and a judicial coup reversed the results. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-11 06:07 PM |
#86 |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Jun-18-11 05:47 AM |
#92 |
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If Nader had 597,000 votes |
BobbyBoring |
Jun-18-11 09:02 AM |
#112 |
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And without H. Ross Perot there may have been no Bill Clinton. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:05 PM |
#162 |
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Perot took 19% of the vote -- !!! And you're comparing that with what? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 09:31 PM |
#184 |
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Try re-reading my post and get back to me later. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 10:19 PM |
#185 |
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Apologies -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 10:28 PM |
#186 |
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Nonsense. Yet illustrate the problem well, no ability to except ANY responsibility |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:43 PM |
#187 |
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100 percent correct. n/t |
SusanaMontana41 |
Jun-18-11 02:29 PM |
#175 |
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If it quacks like a duck... n/t |
whatchamacallit |
Jun-17-11 02:59 PM |
#73 |
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Then maybe you should get your ears checked. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-18-11 08:44 AM |
#107 |
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errr |
HankyDubs |
Jun-17-11 11:01 PM |
#87 |
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Attempts to make statments as if they were proven facts |
Sheepshank |
Jun-18-11 08:02 AM |
#105 |
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Wow, the kool-aide is strong in this one |
HankyDubs |
Jun-19-11 11:58 AM |
#190 |
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like hell |
Sheepshank |
Jun-19-11 09:54 PM |
#191 |
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I agree with that |
Una_Writer |
Jun-18-11 06:28 AM |
#98 |
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Yeah. |
sendero |
Jun-18-11 07:16 AM |
#100 |
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Pointing out where Obama has come up short is not bashing. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:14 AM |
#129 |
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If you wish to run off all the progressives that verbalize |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 11:56 AM |
#137 |
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Majority here are outraged with Obama/Dems -- and have to be free to discuss it openly -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:29 PM |
#142 |
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I have no such desire at all. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 01:04 PM |
#161 |
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I think I might have replied to the wrong post.... |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 04:06 PM |
#182 |
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If the moderators don't step up and delete these we will be taken over by all the |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 09:54 AM |
#125 |
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I agree that the wrong part was highlighted |
Renew Deal |
Jun-17-11 01:13 PM |
#14 |
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Hold it---how many of the goals have to be shared? |
snot |
Jun-17-11 02:03 PM |
#53 |
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When you can't actually promote your candidate, all you have left is to go negative on his opponent. |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-17-11 03:41 PM |
#80 |
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the point is we shouldn't unconditionally support Dems |
spooked911 |
Jun-18-11 07:50 AM |
#101 |
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Q is ... "Is it still our party" ... or is it the Koch Bros. party now? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:31 PM |
#143 |
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Yes, when they part ways with us on the goals |
treestar |
Jun-18-11 12:38 PM |
#149 |
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That's a good point. Thanks for reminding those who want another echo chamber for DLC leadership. |
leveymg |
Jun-17-11 01:02 PM |
#2 |
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What would the DLC site be called? |
kenfrequed |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#49 |
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Demoplican Underground or Daily Koch. |
leveymg |
Jun-17-11 02:12 PM |
#59 |
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Daily Koch! |
EFerrari |
Jun-17-11 02:49 PM |
#69 |
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How can something that sounds so good |
hootinholler |
Jun-18-11 09:32 AM |
#123 |
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Perfect names for them! |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:20 AM |
#120 |
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They'd probably include Progress or Progressive in the name |
suffragette |
Jun-18-11 11:27 AM |
#133 |
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Ah, a Blue Dog paradise where all progressive are silenced. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jun-17-11 03:02 PM |
#74 |
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a Blue Dog paradise where all progressives are silenced |
OBotModel54 |
Jun-18-11 06:18 AM |
#95 |
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Democratic Party has a cancer growing on it -- a Koch Bros cancer -- we need a Plan B -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:33 PM |
#144 |
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I tried to send you to the Greatest Page |
Vanje |
Jun-17-11 01:04 PM |
#4 |
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It is a progressive forum and reich-wing nonsense is not |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#5 |
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"and to support DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES for political office" |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#7 |
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Perhaps you can point me to the post |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:07 PM |
#9 |
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Kind of hard, since any such post would be deleted. There are plenty of people who imply that they |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:24 PM |
#25 |
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Yes, they would, which negates your assertion. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:29 PM |
#28 |
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it does not negate my assertion in any way. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:31 PM |
#29 |
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Did you not write this? |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:35 PM |
#33 |
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Yes, I did write that. If you read it, it does not assert that third party supporters don't know how |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:38 PM |
#35 |
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Which means they are not in violation of the rules. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:44 PM |
#37 |
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So long as they are not campaigning |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 12:06 PM |
#140 |
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Easy: look for the locked threads for each day |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 01:59 PM |
#50 |
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Thank you. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:07 PM |
#55 |
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Sure, most people who have a specific complaint about a Democratic policy say so within the rules |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 02:20 PM |
#63 |
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"working against Democrats." |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:30 PM |
#66 |
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I think Americans rarely appreciate how much power the primary system gives them |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 02:47 PM |
#67 |
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Well, the primary system is a whole different issue, |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:53 PM |
#70 |
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No -- primaries are the same as all the other selections -- made by corporations !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:47 PM |
#151 |
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Nonsense -- ALL of our candidates are selected by corporations ... they control both parties ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:45 PM |
#150 |
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Well, in that case, there's precious little point in voting at all |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-18-11 02:43 PM |
#176 |
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Koch Bros. have control over the Democratic Party, but you want to smear Nader? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:49 PM |
#177 |
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Of course - it's common knowledge |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-18-11 03:12 PM |
#179 |
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3 or 4 major Repug donors .. because he worked with them on a number of issues -- $8,000 in all !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 09:16 PM |
#183 |
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that is a terrible reality in todays politics, where the main requirement to win is massive $$$ |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:56 PM |
#188 |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:13 PM |
#61 |
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That's not true, BzaDem |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:04 PM |
#54 |
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Thank you for expressing my position |
Enthusiast |
Jun-18-11 05:50 AM |
#93 |
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Any pro-Nader post is a violation of rule 2. |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:58 AM |
#110 |
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Now you want no discussion of Nader at all ? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:51 PM |
#153 |
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of course. his story is the mirror image of the schism that exists on DU |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:59 PM |
#189 |
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And how wise is that? We need a few hundred Plan B's here ... not the same old "lesser evil" voting |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:48 PM |
#152 |
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Greens are welcome here -- so are liberal/progressive independents -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:38 PM |
#148 |
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I would, but it's against the rules. |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-17-11 01:34 PM |
#32 |
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Excep when supporting Charlie Crist, who was a Republican |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:15 PM |
#17 |
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thanks for pointing this out- the rule against advocating |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-17-11 01:18 PM |
#20 |
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The 'cake and eat it' crowd pushed Christ and still shouts |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:25 PM |
#26 |
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DU is coming to understand the Koch Bros infiltration of the party ... advocating for some |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:53 PM |
#154 |
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Point of information |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 12:00 PM |
#138 |
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Democratic candidates are too often Koch Bros. candidates now .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:37 PM |
#146 |
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Other tweets |
tabatha |
Jun-17-11 01:06 PM |
#8 |
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From the Rules page... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:07 PM |
#10 |
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Please see Post #9 |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#11 |
| -
One doesn't have to advocate voting for a non-Democrat... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:17 PM |
#18 |
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How about Democratic politicians? Is it only important that they have a (D) next to their name? |
Dawgs |
Jun-17-11 01:51 PM |
#43 |
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Especially when they are Koch Bros candidates? We need some rules changed here ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:56 PM |
#155 |
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Yes, Democratic candidates, not Reagan Repubs with a 'd' |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-17-11 01:13 PM |
#15 |
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I believe DU has been increasingly full of Reagan Democrats |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:24 PM |
#65 |
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Ignored by the admin as well. DU admin allowed DUers to advocate for Republican Crist. |
Luminous Animal |
Jun-17-11 01:28 PM |
#27 |
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"unless a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative)"... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:33 PM |
#31 |
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The admins made an expception, which involves predicting the |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:46 PM |
#38 |
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Would that be considered a pivoting rule based on bias? |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:09 PM |
#165 |
| -
The Democratic candidate was abandoned as a loser by many DUers early on. |
Luminous Animal |
Jun-17-11 02:16 PM |
#62 |
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Crist was supported as being "better than Rubio" and |
hay rick |
Jun-18-11 05:25 AM |
#91 |
| -
Same horse different saddle. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:12 PM |
#168 |
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"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals" |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 01:46 PM |
#39 |
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Is that even English?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:52 PM |
#45 |
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No, I don't speak English. Thanks for pointing out just one of my many flaws. |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#48 |
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I'm not your buddy, guy... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:08 PM |
#56 |
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That's called a "question" in English. |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 03:46 PM |
#82 |
| -
The sentence was perfectly understandable. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:20 AM |
#131 |
| -
It isn't a site only for Democrats |
RZM |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#12 |
| -
And it shouldn't become a site for Koch Bros. Democrats - - !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:58 PM |
#157 |
| -
I don't think many people here support the Koch brothers n/t |
RZM |
Jun-18-11 02:11 PM |
#172 |
| -
Do you understand the Koch Bros. FUNDED the DLC .. ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:22 PM |
#174 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#13 |
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Funny. You didn't bold this part.. |
dmallind |
Jun-17-11 01:14 PM |
#16 |
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Hi Taz |
CatWoman |
Jun-17-11 01:19 PM |
#21 |
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Hi Cat! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:40 PM |
#36 |
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"You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party |
Nye Bevan |
Jun-17-11 01:20 PM |
#22 |
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And then there's this... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:23 PM |
#23 |
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and yet, NOBODY is doing that... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:50 PM |
#42 |
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Anybody who advocates a 3rd party challenge to Obama *IS* doing that |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 09:01 AM |
#111 |
| -
And yet Crist was supported over the Democratic nominee. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:23 AM |
#132 |
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You're saying at some point DU became AFFILIATED with the Democratic Party? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:00 PM |
#158 |
| -
The appreciation for humor and satire could use some work, too |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-17-11 01:24 PM |
#24 |
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K&R |
amborin |
Jun-17-11 01:47 PM |
#40 |
| -
RIGHT ON! |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:49 PM |
#41 |
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And I keep asking them to point me to those posts. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:53 PM |
#46 |
| -
interesting... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:59 PM |
#51 |
| -
Here you go... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:01 PM |
#52 |
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Those type topics are rare. |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:11 PM |
#58 |
| -
Advocating for the election of a Ralph Nader is a direct violation of DU rules |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:50 AM |
#108 |
| -
“Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?” |
suffragette |
Jun-18-11 12:01 PM |
#139 |
| -
And I still don't see where the violation was |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:12 PM |
#60 |
| -
I think Skinner's better suited to interpret the mission of DU, thx. |
dionysus |
Jun-17-11 01:51 PM |
#44 |
| -
And he did a fine job making that clear |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#47 |
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All I will say there probably isn't a Democrat that draws breath on the national scene that I would |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-17-11 02:23 PM |
#64 |
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Bernie Sanders is more of a Dem and reflects the |
OBotModel54 |
Jun-18-11 06:20 AM |
#96 |
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Sen. Bernie Sanders could run on Dem ticket -- and I agree with you...he's a better democrat |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:02 PM |
#159 |
| -
There are progressives and there are "progressives" and there |
Skidmore |
Jun-17-11 02:48 PM |
#68 |
| -
The eagle flies on Friday. Saturday, I go out to play. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:56 PM |
#71 |
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IOW, I don't have the foggiest clue who is behind some of the |
Skidmore |
Jun-17-11 05:11 PM |
#85 |
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I think everyone is welcome, unless... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-17-11 02:58 PM |
#72 |
| -
I think DU will have to reevaluate that stance someday |
whatchamacallit |
Jun-17-11 03:35 PM |
#78 |
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It would be better if you reevaluated the facts, since everything you just said is false... |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:38 PM |
#79 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-17-11 03:43 PM |
#81 |
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I agree - (edited spelling) |
grattsl |
Jun-18-11 07:52 AM |
#102 |
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We don't have a lot of time ... Koch Bros has been infiltrating Dem Party for 20 years .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:15 PM |
#173 |
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Maybe the Koch Bros./DLC has made the Dem Party a "third party" ... ???? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:04 PM |
#160 |
| -
K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jun-17-11 11:11 PM |
#88 |
| -
aww fer chrissakes, |
saorsa |
Jun-18-11 12:24 AM |
#89 |
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I think this is a necessary discussion..and your point is valid |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 02:17 AM |
#90 |
| -
Think Koch Bros./DLC cancer on the party has changed the party sufficiently ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:07 PM |
#163 |
| -
Another Message From Skinner: |
JTFrog |
Jun-18-11 06:02 AM |
#94 |
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Lots of people need to re-read that |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 09:03 AM |
#113 |
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"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives.." The |
WinkyDink |
Jun-18-11 06:24 AM |
#97 |
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It's about context. Using this site to wail about how much you hate Democrats seems bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Jun-18-11 07:56 AM |
#103 |
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You're mistaken ... this is about Koch Bros "Democrats" ... Koch Bros Dem Party .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:08 PM |
#164 |
| -
I support Dems but I'm not their lackey. Too many corporate war whores for me to just step in line |
think |
Jun-18-11 08:00 AM |
#104 |
| -
Recommended |
somone |
Jun-18-11 08:03 AM |
#106 |
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Advocating for the election of a Ralph Nader is a direct violation of DU rules |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:54 AM |
#109 |
| -
How? |
mdmc |
Jun-18-11 09:18 AM |
#119 |
| -
Ah ... you're upset over the "APOLOGY" to Nader voters ... Nader isn't running for office ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:11 PM |
#167 |
| -
ibtl |
mdmc |
Jun-18-11 09:13 AM |
#115 |
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Thanks for posting this. nt |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:15 AM |
#117 |
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I never liked it when they ADDED the words |
Gman |
Jun-18-11 09:16 AM |
#118 |
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What good is a D beside a candidate's name without a P (for progressive) following it? |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:27 AM |
#121 |
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If in addition to your sacred cow, some of us also have other goals, that doesn't mean |
mistertrickster |
Jun-18-11 09:31 AM |
#122 |
| -
You people really are a bunch of suckers... |
RevStPatrick |
Jun-18-11 09:53 AM |
#124 |
| -
From DU rules |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 09:58 AM |
#126 |
| -
Woah! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-18-11 10:08 AM |
#127 |
| -
cryin shame that almost 3 years into this administration we're at this crossroads |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 11:10 AM |
#128 |
| -
"pulling ourselves out of the war quagmire" |
white_wolf |
Jun-18-11 11:16 AM |
#130 |
| -
yes..and sending cowardly drones into pakistan..and covert operations in yemen |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 11:31 AM |
#134 |
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All true. |
white_wolf |
Jun-18-11 11:40 AM |
#135 |
| -
Biden calling for Israel to attack Iran ... he's been doing that for a year now!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:23 PM |
#171 |
| -
Yeah, pitty. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:17 PM |
#170 |
| -
DU has passed a lot of members' $MONEY$ onto Dem Party ... I'd say that's a strong affiliation .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:14 PM |
#169 |
| -
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-18-11 11:41 AM |
#136 |
| -
IMO, the name should be changed to small "d" democratic underground .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:22 PM |
#141 |
| -
!!!!11111!!!!!!! |
Whisp |
Jun-18-11 12:37 PM |
#147 |
| -
Wow you rubbed some salt into old wounds! |
Rex |
Jun-18-11 01:10 PM |
#166 |
| -
Which is why it's named Green Party Underground. |
johnaries |
Jun-18-11 03:10 PM |
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