| 1. "who will work with us to achieve our shared goals" |
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As opposed to the current tide of Naderite nonsense which is all about decrying the Democrats as being just as bad as the Republicans.
The only "echo chamber" going on on DU is about how horrible Democrats are and how little they deserve support.
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| -From "About Democratic Underground." |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 12:58 PM |
#0 |
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"who will work with us to achieve our shared goals" |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 01:01 PM |
#1 |
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+1. From what I understand, DU does not welcome Republicans or those who enable their election. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:03 PM |
#3 |
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Yes, you cannot support a non-Democrat here. |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 07:06 AM |
#99 |
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Unless he's Charlie Crist, then it's A-ok. |
Zephie |
Jun-18-11 09:06 AM |
#114 |
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Which is covered in... |
SDuderstadt |
Jun-18-11 09:14 AM |
#116 |
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Or Bernie Sanders? |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 12:57 PM |
#156 |
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I've no idea what "Naderite Nonsense" to which you refer. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#6 |
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The recent flood of comments spreading "They're all the same!" bullshit. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 01:17 PM |
#19 |
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By those standards, "Naderite Nonesense" |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:32 PM |
#30 |
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Plenty of people who imply they will vote third party without explicitly saying it. Some even say |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:36 PM |
#34 |
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Nader didn't enable repukes. Neither did Nader voters. |
tekisui |
Jun-17-11 02:10 PM |
#57 |
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Nader enabled the entire existence of the Bush administration. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:17 PM |
#75 |
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You know, this has been thoroughly countered |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 03:27 PM |
#76 |
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It's never been countered. It's been rationalized by people who didn't want to admit the facts. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:35 PM |
#77 |
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Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-17-11 03:49 PM |
#83 |
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Even your application of Post hoc ergo prompter hoc is a rationalization. Just like the rest of |
stevenleser |
Jun-18-11 03:20 PM |
#180 |
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It is not that simple. There is no proof that those voters would have |
tekisui |
Jun-17-11 04:40 PM |
#84 |
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Come on, now, who would you rather fight? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-18-11 12:36 PM |
#145 |
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kr |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 03:53 PM |
#181 |
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False. Gore won. Election fraud and a judicial coup reversed the results. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-11 06:07 PM |
#86 |
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PLUS ONE! |
Enthusiast |
Jun-18-11 05:47 AM |
#92 |
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If Nader had 597,000 votes |
BobbyBoring |
Jun-18-11 09:02 AM |
#112 |
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And without H. Ross Perot there may have been no Bill Clinton. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:05 PM |
#162 |
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Perot took 19% of the vote -- !!! And you're comparing that with what? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 09:31 PM |
#184 |
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Try re-reading my post and get back to me later. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 10:19 PM |
#185 |
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Apologies -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 10:28 PM |
#186 |
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Nonsense. Yet illustrate the problem well, no ability to except ANY responsibility |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:43 PM |
#187 |
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100 percent correct. n/t |
SusanaMontana41 |
Jun-18-11 02:29 PM |
#175 |
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If it quacks like a duck... n/t |
whatchamacallit |
Jun-17-11 02:59 PM |
#73 |
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Then maybe you should get your ears checked. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-18-11 08:44 AM |
#107 |
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errr |
HankyDubs |
Jun-17-11 11:01 PM |
#87 |
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Attempts to make statments as if they were proven facts |
Sheepshank |
Jun-18-11 08:02 AM |
#105 |
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Wow, the kool-aide is strong in this one |
HankyDubs |
Jun-19-11 11:58 AM |
#190 |
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like hell |
Sheepshank |
Jun-19-11 09:54 PM |
#191 |
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I agree with that |
Una_Writer |
Jun-18-11 06:28 AM |
#98 |
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Yeah. |
sendero |
Jun-18-11 07:16 AM |
#100 |
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Pointing out where Obama has come up short is not bashing. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:14 AM |
#129 |
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If you wish to run off all the progressives that verbalize |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 11:56 AM |
#137 |
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Majority here are outraged with Obama/Dems -- and have to be free to discuss it openly -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:29 PM |
#142 |
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I have no such desire at all. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 01:04 PM |
#161 |
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I think I might have replied to the wrong post.... |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 04:06 PM |
#182 |
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If the moderators don't step up and delete these we will be taken over by all the |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 09:54 AM |
#125 |
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I agree that the wrong part was highlighted |
Renew Deal |
Jun-17-11 01:13 PM |
#14 |
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Hold it---how many of the goals have to be shared? |
snot |
Jun-17-11 02:03 PM |
#53 |
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When you can't actually promote your candidate, all you have left is to go negative on his opponent. |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-17-11 03:41 PM |
#80 |
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the point is we shouldn't unconditionally support Dems |
spooked911 |
Jun-18-11 07:50 AM |
#101 |
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Q is ... "Is it still our party" ... or is it the Koch Bros. party now? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:31 PM |
#143 |
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Yes, when they part ways with us on the goals |
treestar |
Jun-18-11 12:38 PM |
#149 |
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That's a good point. Thanks for reminding those who want another echo chamber for DLC leadership. |
leveymg |
Jun-17-11 01:02 PM |
#2 |
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What would the DLC site be called? |
kenfrequed |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#49 |
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Demoplican Underground or Daily Koch. |
leveymg |
Jun-17-11 02:12 PM |
#59 |
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Daily Koch! |
EFerrari |
Jun-17-11 02:49 PM |
#69 |
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How can something that sounds so good |
hootinholler |
Jun-18-11 09:32 AM |
#123 |
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Perfect names for them! |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:20 AM |
#120 |
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They'd probably include Progress or Progressive in the name |
suffragette |
Jun-18-11 11:27 AM |
#133 |
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Ah, a Blue Dog paradise where all progressive are silenced. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jun-17-11 03:02 PM |
#74 |
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a Blue Dog paradise where all progressives are silenced |
OBotModel54 |
Jun-18-11 06:18 AM |
#95 |
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Democratic Party has a cancer growing on it -- a Koch Bros cancer -- we need a Plan B -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:33 PM |
#144 |
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I tried to send you to the Greatest Page |
Vanje |
Jun-17-11 01:04 PM |
#4 |
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It is a progressive forum and reich-wing nonsense is not |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#5 |
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"and to support DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES for political office" |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:05 PM |
#7 |
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Perhaps you can point me to the post |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:07 PM |
#9 |
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Kind of hard, since any such post would be deleted. There are plenty of people who imply that they |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:24 PM |
#25 |
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Yes, they would, which negates your assertion. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:29 PM |
#28 |
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it does not negate my assertion in any way. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:31 PM |
#29 |
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Did you not write this? |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:35 PM |
#33 |
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Yes, I did write that. If you read it, it does not assert that third party supporters don't know how |
BzaDem |
Jun-17-11 01:38 PM |
#35 |
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Which means they are not in violation of the rules. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:44 PM |
#37 |
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So long as they are not campaigning |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 12:06 PM |
#140 |
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Easy: look for the locked threads for each day |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 01:59 PM |
#50 |
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Thank you. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:07 PM |
#55 |
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Sure, most people who have a specific complaint about a Democratic policy say so within the rules |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 02:20 PM |
#63 |
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"working against Democrats." |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:30 PM |
#66 |
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I think Americans rarely appreciate how much power the primary system gives them |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-17-11 02:47 PM |
#67 |
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Well, the primary system is a whole different issue, |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:53 PM |
#70 |
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No -- primaries are the same as all the other selections -- made by corporations !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:47 PM |
#151 |
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Nonsense -- ALL of our candidates are selected by corporations ... they control both parties ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:45 PM |
#150 |
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Well, in that case, there's precious little point in voting at all |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-18-11 02:43 PM |
#176 |
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Koch Bros. have control over the Democratic Party, but you want to smear Nader? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:49 PM |
#177 |
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Of course - it's common knowledge |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jun-18-11 03:12 PM |
#179 |
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3 or 4 major Repug donors .. because he worked with them on a number of issues -- $8,000 in all !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 09:16 PM |
#183 |
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that is a terrible reality in todays politics, where the main requirement to win is massive $$$ |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:56 PM |
#188 |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:13 PM |
#61 |
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That's not true, BzaDem |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:04 PM |
#54 |
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Thank you for expressing my position |
Enthusiast |
Jun-18-11 05:50 AM |
#93 |
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Any pro-Nader post is a violation of rule 2. |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:58 AM |
#110 |
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Now you want no discussion of Nader at all ? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:51 PM |
#153 |
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of course. his story is the mirror image of the schism that exists on DU |
peace4ever |
Jun-18-11 10:59 PM |
#189 |
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And how wise is that? We need a few hundred Plan B's here ... not the same old "lesser evil" voting |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:48 PM |
#152 |
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Greens are welcome here -- so are liberal/progressive independents -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:38 PM |
#148 |
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I would, but it's against the rules. |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-17-11 01:34 PM |
#32 |
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Excep when supporting Charlie Crist, who was a Republican |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:15 PM |
#17 |
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thanks for pointing this out- the rule against advocating |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-17-11 01:18 PM |
#20 |
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The 'cake and eat it' crowd pushed Christ and still shouts |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:25 PM |
#26 |
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DU is coming to understand the Koch Bros infiltration of the party ... advocating for some |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:53 PM |
#154 |
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Point of information |
eilen |
Jun-18-11 12:00 PM |
#138 |
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Democratic candidates are too often Koch Bros. candidates now .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:37 PM |
#146 |
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Other tweets |
tabatha |
Jun-17-11 01:06 PM |
#8 |
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From the Rules page... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:07 PM |
#10 |
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Please see Post #9 |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#11 |
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One doesn't have to advocate voting for a non-Democrat... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:17 PM |
#18 |
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How about Democratic politicians? Is it only important that they have a (D) next to their name? |
Dawgs |
Jun-17-11 01:51 PM |
#43 |
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Especially when they are Koch Bros candidates? We need some rules changed here ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:56 PM |
#155 |
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Yes, Democratic candidates, not Reagan Repubs with a 'd' |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-17-11 01:13 PM |
#15 |
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I believe DU has been increasingly full of Reagan Democrats |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:24 PM |
#65 |
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Ignored by the admin as well. DU admin allowed DUers to advocate for Republican Crist. |
Luminous Animal |
Jun-17-11 01:28 PM |
#27 |
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"unless a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative)"... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:33 PM |
#31 |
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The admins made an expception, which involves predicting the |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-17-11 01:46 PM |
#38 |
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Would that be considered a pivoting rule based on bias? |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:09 PM |
#165 |
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The Democratic candidate was abandoned as a loser by many DUers early on. |
Luminous Animal |
Jun-17-11 02:16 PM |
#62 |
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Crist was supported as being "better than Rubio" and |
hay rick |
Jun-18-11 05:25 AM |
#91 |
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Same horse different saddle. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:12 PM |
#168 |
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"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals" |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 01:46 PM |
#39 |
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Is that even English?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:52 PM |
#45 |
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No, I don't speak English. Thanks for pointing out just one of my many flaws. |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#48 |
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I'm not your buddy, guy... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:08 PM |
#56 |
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That's called a "question" in English. |
Ignis |
Jun-17-11 03:46 PM |
#82 |
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The sentence was perfectly understandable. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:20 AM |
#131 |
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It isn't a site only for Democrats |
RZM |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#12 |
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And it shouldn't become a site for Koch Bros. Democrats - - !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:58 PM |
#157 |
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I don't think many people here support the Koch brothers n/t |
RZM |
Jun-18-11 02:11 PM |
#172 |
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Do you understand the Koch Bros. FUNDED the DLC .. ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:22 PM |
#174 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-17-11 01:09 PM |
#13 |
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Funny. You didn't bold this part.. |
dmallind |
Jun-17-11 01:14 PM |
#16 |
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Hi Taz |
CatWoman |
Jun-17-11 01:19 PM |
#21 |
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Hi Cat! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:40 PM |
#36 |
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"You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party |
Nye Bevan |
Jun-17-11 01:20 PM |
#22 |
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And then there's this... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 01:23 PM |
#23 |
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and yet, NOBODY is doing that... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:50 PM |
#42 |
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Anybody who advocates a 3rd party challenge to Obama *IS* doing that |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 09:01 AM |
#111 |
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And yet Crist was supported over the Democratic nominee. |
xphile |
Jun-18-11 11:23 AM |
#132 |
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You're saying at some point DU became AFFILIATED with the Democratic Party? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:00 PM |
#158 |
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The appreciation for humor and satire could use some work, too |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-17-11 01:24 PM |
#24 |
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K&R |
amborin |
Jun-17-11 01:47 PM |
#40 |
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RIGHT ON! |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:49 PM |
#41 |
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And I keep asking them to point me to those posts. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:53 PM |
#46 |
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interesting... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-17-11 01:59 PM |
#51 |
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Here you go... |
SidDithers |
Jun-17-11 02:01 PM |
#52 |
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Those type topics are rare. |
Mimosa |
Jun-17-11 02:11 PM |
#58 |
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Advocating for the election of a Ralph Nader is a direct violation of DU rules |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:50 AM |
#108 |
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“Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?” |
suffragette |
Jun-18-11 12:01 PM |
#139 |
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And I still don't see where the violation was |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:12 PM |
#60 |
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I think Skinner's better suited to interpret the mission of DU, thx. |
dionysus |
Jun-17-11 01:51 PM |
#44 |
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And he did a fine job making that clear |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 01:58 PM |
#47 |
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All I will say there probably isn't a Democrat that draws breath on the national scene that I would |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-17-11 02:23 PM |
#64 |
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Bernie Sanders is more of a Dem and reflects the |
OBotModel54 |
Jun-18-11 06:20 AM |
#96 |
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Sen. Bernie Sanders could run on Dem ticket -- and I agree with you...he's a better democrat |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:02 PM |
#159 |
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There are progressives and there are "progressives" and there |
Skidmore |
Jun-17-11 02:48 PM |
#68 |
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The eagle flies on Friday. Saturday, I go out to play. |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-17-11 02:56 PM |
#71 |
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IOW, I don't have the foggiest clue who is behind some of the |
Skidmore |
Jun-17-11 05:11 PM |
#85 |
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I think everyone is welcome, unless... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-17-11 02:58 PM |
#72 |
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I think DU will have to reevaluate that stance someday |
whatchamacallit |
Jun-17-11 03:35 PM |
#78 |
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It would be better if you reevaluated the facts, since everything you just said is false... |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-11 03:38 PM |
#79 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-17-11 03:43 PM |
#81 |
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I agree - (edited spelling) |
grattsl |
Jun-18-11 07:52 AM |
#102 |
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We don't have a lot of time ... Koch Bros has been infiltrating Dem Party for 20 years .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 02:15 PM |
#173 |
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Maybe the Koch Bros./DLC has made the Dem Party a "third party" ... ???? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:04 PM |
#160 |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jun-17-11 11:11 PM |
#88 |
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aww fer chrissakes, |
saorsa |
Jun-18-11 12:24 AM |
#89 |
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I think this is a necessary discussion..and your point is valid |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 02:17 AM |
#90 |
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Think Koch Bros./DLC cancer on the party has changed the party sufficiently ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:07 PM |
#163 |
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Another Message From Skinner: |
JTFrog |
Jun-18-11 06:02 AM |
#94 |
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Lots of people need to re-read that |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 09:03 AM |
#113 |
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"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives.." The |
WinkyDink |
Jun-18-11 06:24 AM |
#97 |
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It's about context. Using this site to wail about how much you hate Democrats seems bullshit. |
PeaceNikki |
Jun-18-11 07:56 AM |
#103 |
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You're mistaken ... this is about Koch Bros "Democrats" ... Koch Bros Dem Party .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:08 PM |
#164 |
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I support Dems but I'm not their lackey. Too many corporate war whores for me to just step in line |
think |
Jun-18-11 08:00 AM |
#104 |
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Recommended |
somone |
Jun-18-11 08:03 AM |
#106 |
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Advocating for the election of a Ralph Nader is a direct violation of DU rules |
scheming daemons |
Jun-18-11 08:54 AM |
#109 |
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How? |
mdmc |
Jun-18-11 09:18 AM |
#119 |
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Ah ... you're upset over the "APOLOGY" to Nader voters ... Nader isn't running for office ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:11 PM |
#167 |
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ibtl |
mdmc |
Jun-18-11 09:13 AM |
#115 |
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Thanks for posting this. nt |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:15 AM |
#117 |
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I never liked it when they ADDED the words |
Gman |
Jun-18-11 09:16 AM |
#118 |
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What good is a D beside a candidate's name without a P (for progressive) following it? |
valerief |
Jun-18-11 09:27 AM |
#121 |
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If in addition to your sacred cow, some of us also have other goals, that doesn't mean |
mistertrickster |
Jun-18-11 09:31 AM |
#122 |
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You people really are a bunch of suckers... |
RevStPatrick |
Jun-18-11 09:53 AM |
#124 |
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From DU rules |
Maraya1969 |
Jun-18-11 09:58 AM |
#126 |
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Woah! |
Le Taz Hot |
Jun-18-11 10:08 AM |
#127 |
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cryin shame that almost 3 years into this administration we're at this crossroads |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 11:10 AM |
#128 |
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"pulling ourselves out of the war quagmire" |
white_wolf |
Jun-18-11 11:16 AM |
#130 |
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yes..and sending cowardly drones into pakistan..and covert operations in yemen |
xiamiam |
Jun-18-11 11:31 AM |
#134 |
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All true. |
white_wolf |
Jun-18-11 11:40 AM |
#135 |
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Biden calling for Israel to attack Iran ... he's been doing that for a year now!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:23 PM |
#171 |
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Yeah, pitty. |
Dept of Beer |
Jun-18-11 01:17 PM |
#170 |
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DU has passed a lot of members' $MONEY$ onto Dem Party ... I'd say that's a strong affiliation .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 01:14 PM |
#169 |
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HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-18-11 11:41 AM |
#136 |
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IMO, the name should be changed to small "d" democratic underground .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-18-11 12:22 PM |
#141 |
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!!!!11111!!!!!!! |
Whisp |
Jun-18-11 12:37 PM |
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Wow you rubbed some salt into old wounds! |
Rex |
Jun-18-11 01:10 PM |
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Which is why it's named Green Party Underground. |
johnaries |
Jun-18-11 03:10 PM |
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