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178. Both parties SUCK BALLS and pander to lobbyists in preparation for their post government careers
I'd rather pay politicians like pro sports players but make it illegal for them to EVER become lobbyists!
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  -I Am Ready to Risk a Break with the Democratic Party Tom Rinaldo  Jun-16-11 09:26 PM   #0 
  - I have fought Republicans and anti-Democrats for a long time...  Sarah Ibarruri   Jun-16-11 09:31 PM   #1 
  - I too am ashamed of the Dems....not because of Weiner though  AnOhioan   Jun-16-11 09:36 PM   #7 
  - +1  Scuba   Jun-17-11 05:15 AM   #147 
  - Democrats have had to become prostitutes - how else could they run in election$$$$?  Sarah Ibarruri   Jun-17-11 07:03 AM   #159 
  - Ditto  MissDeeds   Jun-17-11 07:34 AM   #173 
  - I am still a Loyal Democrat. The betrayal has been entirely on the other side.  leveymg   Jun-17-11 08:22 AM   #190 
  - +2. nt  Lorien   Jun-17-11 09:38 AM   #223 
  - They are forcing Weiner to resign while their erstwhile speaker, Pelosi,  coalition_unwilling   Jun-16-11 09:46 PM   #22 
  - They are forcing Weiner to resign, and not standing behind him  Sarah Ibarruri   Jun-17-11 07:00 AM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 12:47 AM   #100 
     - What's wrong  kimsarah   Jun-17-11 02:11 AM   #131 
     - I'm ready. Where do I sign?  Sarah Ibarruri   Jun-17-11 06:59 AM   #157 
        - I need to correct this meme . .  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 07:52 AM   #176 
           - Yes, but running for office in the U.S. still costs astronomical amounts because...  Sarah Ibarruri   Jun-17-11 09:37 AM   #222 
           - A good, popular, grass-roots movement can take up the slack.  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 09:49 AM   #228 
           - Money isn't the only way to gain power and momentum  Snotcicles   Jun-17-11 10:18 AM   #251 
  - There are probably more of us than you realize.  OHdem10   Jun-16-11 09:31 PM   #2 
  - It's that last link that was hard to let go of  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 09:38 PM   #9 
     - The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting  Lorien   Jun-17-11 10:01 AM   #237 
     - Right there with you, Tom.  SusanaMontana41   Jun-17-11 10:16 AM   #250 
  - There is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party,  Ninten12   Jun-16-11 09:32 PM   #3 
  - Yeah,  ProSense   Jun-16-11 09:33 PM   #4 
  - I guess they were able to hide it better than Obama does.  girl gone mad   Jun-16-11 10:59 PM   #62 
  - Or  ProSense   Jun-16-11 11:22 PM   #71 
     - So are you speculating that Clinton Gore aren't the Democrats that people believe them to be?  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:42 PM   #81 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 12:34 AM   #93 
        - Would anybody on this board believe that  Dept of Beer   Jun-17-11 01:36 AM   #124 
     - Does that mean that you agree with the OP  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:14 AM   #109 
     - DADT was one hundred times better than what had been in place and what do you find wrong about Kosov  Bandit   Jun-17-11 08:44 AM   #195 
  - I held out some hope for Gore on his own.  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 11:27 PM   #73 
  - Gore was funded life-long by an oil company -- can't recall name of it -- but ...  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 12:42 AM   #94 
     - Family owns shares in Occidental oil, and his dad  MikeMc   Jun-17-11 03:55 AM   #140 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 12:31 AM   #92 
  - Yup  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 03:40 AM   #137 
  - So, you'll be leaving then?  brooklynite   Jun-16-11 09:34 PM   #5 
  - Democratic Underground is NOT the Democratic Party  AnOhioan   Jun-16-11 09:40 PM   #10 
  - from the DU Rules...  brooklynite   Jun-16-11 09:43 PM   #18 
     - Democrats and other progressives  AnOhioan   Jun-16-11 09:45 PM   #21 
     - The board is against supporting anyone other then the democratic nominee in a race where one is  Joe the Revelator   Jun-16-11 09:58 PM   #35 
     - And everyone here always votes Democratic??  AnOhioan   Jun-16-11 10:03 PM   #39 
     - You can vote for whoever you want, you just can't advocate on this board for...  Joe the Revelator   Jun-16-11 10:24 PM   #50 
     - Nothing in the OP implied that. There was no mention of a third party candidate.  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:32 PM   #75 
     - Will be 70 soon and all my life voted Democratic. n/t  kiranon   Jun-17-11 09:17 AM   #213 
     - That just isn't true.  girl gone mad   Jun-16-11 11:05 PM   #63 
     - I guess it's okay to support non Democrats so long as they're Republican. n/t  xphile   Jun-16-11 11:14 PM   #68 
     - see above, IOKIYAR  AlabamaLibrul   Jun-16-11 11:27 PM   #74 
     - Christ got not just 'support' from DUers, DUers openly  Bluenorthwest   Jun-17-11 08:02 AM   #180 
     - because he's a conservative  fascisthunter   Jun-17-11 08:19 AM   #186 
        - remember what happened in Connecticut?  fascisthunter   Jun-17-11 09:50 AM   #232 
     - Yeah...  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 03:42 AM   #138 
     - Except for Charlie Crist in Florida? He was the pick here, and  Bluenorthwest   Jun-17-11 08:06 AM   #181 
        - Kendrick Meek... Not A Real Democrat Either! Kissed Up To Many, Many  ChiciB1   Jun-17-11 09:56 AM   #234 
           - Well, so was Alex Sink.  Dappleganger   Jun-17-11 10:05 AM   #239 
           - Yep. nt  Lorien   Jun-17-11 10:09 AM   #243 
     - ...who suport Democratic candidates...  brooklynite   Jun-16-11 09:58 PM   #36 
     - Advocating for a non Democrat against a Democrat probably does break DU rules  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 10:03 PM   #40 
     - And you think that includes KOCH BROS/DLC members of the Dem Party???? ???  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 12:48 AM   #101 
     - How about  chervilant   Jun-17-11 12:53 AM   #105 
     - I support Democrats, but not sell-outs who say they are Democrats.  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:19 AM   #112 
     - What party was Charlie Crist part of again?  xphile   Jun-17-11 09:29 AM   #219 
        - Acted MORE Like A Democrat Than Meek Ever Did! We Here In Florida  ChiciB1   Jun-17-11 10:01 AM   #238 
        - With regard to policy, there was hardly any difference  Dappleganger   Jun-17-11 10:07 AM   #242 
     - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 12:47 AM   #99 
     - Well, see,  chervilant   Jun-17-11 12:50 AM   #102 
     - As circumstances have changed, perhaps the wording of  savannah43   Jun-17-11 08:45 AM   #196 
     - You know  chervilant   Jun-17-11 09:21 AM   #215 
  - How petty and small  BeFree   Jun-16-11 09:40 PM   #11 
  - Sanders is not being supported to the exclusion of a Democratic candidate or office-holder  brooklynite   Jun-16-11 09:44 PM   #19 
     - So  BeFree   Jun-16-11 09:52 PM   #27 
     - Which way would you jump if a Blue Dog challenged Bernie?  Jackpine Radical   Jun-16-11 09:53 PM   #30 
     - so would I, and I expect DSCC would as well...  brooklynite   Jun-16-11 09:59 PM   #38 
     - But Charlie Crist was.  girl gone mad   Jun-16-11 11:07 PM   #64 
     - Nobody was reprimanded for supporting Crist, Kendrick Meek supporters, however, took a lot of shit.  smokey nj   Jun-17-11 04:53 AM   #145 
        - No, a LOT of people here were attacked for supporting Crist. Meek ran a terrible  Lorien   Jun-17-11 10:05 AM   #240 
           - Thank you...  Dappleganger   Jun-17-11 10:09 AM   #244 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 12:52 AM   #104 
     - the Democratic Party ran candidates against him many times  CreekDog   Jun-17-11 08:02 AM   #179 
  - What has changed is the extent of my loyalty to a Party  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 09:41 PM   #13 
  - That sounds perfectly BIG D Democratic.  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:34 PM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:01 AM   #106 
  - You have been here as long as I have  MuseRider   Jun-16-11 09:44 PM   #20 
  - A board for Democrats and PROgressives...  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:19 PM   #70 
  - Maybe that needs to be changed to democratic underground --?  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 12:46 AM   #96 
  - Progressive Underground?  savannah43   Jun-17-11 08:48 AM   #197 
  - And who appointed you Membership Chairman?  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 01:15 AM   #110 
  - funny... I can't tell what Democratic means anymore  fascisthunter   Jun-17-11 08:16 AM   #185 
  - FAIL!  Moostache   Jun-17-11 09:28 AM   #218 
  - kthxbai. Some of us have work to do. Especially here in Wisconsin.  PeaceNikki   Jun-16-11 09:35 PM   #6 
  - Word.  AtomicKitten   Jun-16-11 09:42 PM   #16 
  - Imma rant here for a moment.  PeaceNikki   Jun-16-11 09:51 PM   #25 
     - I think I would feel proud to be a Wisconsin Democrat  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 09:55 PM   #31 
     - Solidarity WI.  AtomicKitten   Jun-16-11 09:58 PM   #37 
     - Would your backlash have occured without the Republicans?  Sirveri   Jun-17-11 01:24 AM   #116 
     - Maybe the best thing for this country is indentured servitude for everyone  EstimatedProphet   Jun-17-11 07:13 AM   #164 
     - What you're doing in Wisconsin is exactly what I am talking about  EstimatedProphet   Jun-17-11 07:11 AM   #161 
  - I was thinking when I started reading this thread how unhappy I am  Jackpine Radical   Jun-16-11 09:56 PM   #34 
  - Russ is one of the best, ever! any chance he might run again?...  inna   Jun-17-11 02:28 AM   #134 
  - "kthxbai" - say what? can you say it in English, please? thanks in advance.  inna   Jun-17-11 02:21 AM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-11 09:37 PM   #8 
  - Hint,..read the rules DU is NOT the Party  AnOhioan   Jun-16-11 09:42 PM   #17 
  - Ask the admins how well that strategy is working out for them.  girl gone mad   Jun-16-11 11:12 PM   #66 
  - It's been made quite clear that Skinner would have to "ban half of my members" ... !!  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 01:13 AM   #108 
  - From the Discussion Forum Rules  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:36 PM   #77 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 02:45 AM   #136 
  - Hint: Look at the Rules in "About Us"  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 08:15 AM   #184 
  - Wonderful post.  Bonobo   Jun-16-11 09:41 PM   #12 
  - Thank you Bonobo  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 09:52 PM   #28 
     - I have long thought that we must risk a short-term loss in order to make long-term gains.  Bonobo   Jun-16-11 09:55 PM   #32 
        - That is it exactly  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 10:07 PM   #42 
        - the problem is, imo...  tomp   Jun-17-11 08:34 AM   #193 
        - "We. Are. Losing. Our. Way."  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-16-11 10:13 PM   #47 
        - "short-term loss to make long-term gains..."  Proud Liberal Dem   Jun-16-11 10:32 PM   #53 
        - The simplest way to point out the error in your logic is this:  Bonobo   Jun-16-11 10:46 PM   #56 
        - How is this related to the "Shock Doctrine"  Proud Liberal Dem   Jun-17-11 09:04 AM   #209 
           - The poster above me said:  Bonobo   Jun-17-11 09:27 AM   #217 
        - "Occasionally disappointed" -- ?  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 01:19 AM   #111 
           - Nader played SOME part in Gore's loss  Proud Liberal Dem   Jun-17-11 08:56 AM   #204 
        - Is a Democrat that sides with Republicans really a Democrat at all?  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:38 PM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:22 AM   #114 
        - That would depend on  Dept of Beer   Jun-17-11 01:35 AM   #122 
        - Why are you bringing up Lieberman?  EstimatedProphet   Jun-17-11 07:15 AM   #165 
        - +1000 Perhaps we didn't get it.  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:29 AM   #118 
        - Yes. Indeed.  Bonobo   Jun-17-11 01:38 AM   #125 
        - Short-term loss = new Middle East war.  tabasco   Jun-17-11 07:25 AM   #168 
        - You mean in ADDITION to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Uzbekistan and Yemen!?  Bonobo   Jun-17-11 08:06 AM   #182 
        - When you hit bottom, there's only one way to go.  savannah43   Jun-17-11 08:50 AM   #198 
  - Many of us have taken that path.  MuseRider   Jun-16-11 09:42 PM   #14 
  - Great post.  white_wolf   Jun-16-11 09:42 PM   #15 
  - Citizen united caused them to completely sell out. One way you could  ej510   Jun-16-11 09:48 PM   #23 
  - Yes on both counts  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 10:12 PM   #46 
  - I wish I could rec your response. I hope you will consider making your  coalition_unwilling   Jun-16-11 09:52 PM   #26 
     - I probably will here soon. n/t  white_wolf   Jun-16-11 10:04 PM   #41 
  - I think there are many who are thinking like you  Cleita   Jun-16-11 09:49 PM   #24 
  - All politics is local. In order to affect long term change we have to think long term.  ej510   Jun-16-11 09:53 PM   #29 
     - Well, if enough Democrats leave the Party and  Cleita   Jun-16-11 09:55 PM   #33 
        - I'm thinking of doing exactly that - sadly, posts expressing that thought today are getting deleted.  kath   Jun-16-11 10:25 PM   #51 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:26 AM   #117 
  - Thank you for the post.  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-16-11 10:09 PM   #43 
  - Beautiful...  Robeson   Jun-16-11 10:11 PM   #44 
  - Tim, your soliloquy needs a few more paragraphs...  Zanzoobar   Jun-16-11 10:11 PM   #45 
  - Because Tom has posted just about as much as he can here on the subject.  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-16-11 10:26 PM   #52 
  - In this case I felt it was important to start by stressing a shift  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 10:33 PM   #55 
  - This is why I hope to see you  chervilant   Jun-17-11 01:10 AM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:33 AM   #121 
  - K&R!  Odin2005   Jun-16-11 10:15 PM   #48 
  - Thank you  JustAmused   Jun-16-11 10:23 PM   #49 
  - My breaking point was Clinton's welfare reform and NAFTA...  Luminous Animal   Jun-16-11 10:33 PM   #54 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Jun-17-11 01:35 AM   #123 
  - +10000  Dappleganger   Jun-17-11 10:13 AM   #247 
  - self-delete for being a jerk  bigwillq   Jun-16-11 10:46 PM   #57 
  - What if there actually is no way for you to get what you want, at any point during your life?  BzaDem   Jun-16-11 10:46 PM   #58 
  - There is a gap between the Parties  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-16-11 11:14 PM   #67 
  - The structure of our government is very status-quo-biased, regardless of the leaders in question.  BzaDem   Jun-16-11 11:47 PM   #84 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:46 AM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 01:40 AM   #126 
  - Really?  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 03:54 AM   #139 
  - + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   Jun-16-11 10:51 PM   #59 
  - I've had several breaking points  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-16-11 10:55 PM   #60 
  - + a gazillion!  chervilant   Jun-17-11 01:23 AM   #115 
  - Ahhh  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-17-11 07:26 AM   #169 
  - You speak for me here.  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 05:57 AM   #152 
     - That's really sad  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-17-11 07:27 AM   #171 
  - We need a new arm of the Dem Party. "Progressive Dems" or something like that.  glinda   Jun-16-11 10:55 PM   #61 
  - I like the term the OP used in a reply above.  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:31 AM   #120 
     - I said I want to be in the New Deal caucus.  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-17-11 10:11 AM   #246 
  - K&R  amborin   Jun-16-11 11:08 PM   #65 
  - I hear ya. I'm at the point where I want to give up  Taverner   Jun-16-11 11:17 PM   #69 
  - I'm not sure, but Sweden seems nice.  white_wolf   Jun-16-11 11:27 PM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 12:01 AM   #89 
  - That's a real strong stand you're taking over there in NEW YORK where it won't matter.  LoZoccolo   Jun-16-11 11:39 PM   #79 
  - Do you have to attack the Left in every post you make?  white_wolf   Jun-16-11 11:41 PM   #80 
  - Then do something about it that doesn't hurt other people or set us backward.  LoZoccolo   Jun-16-11 11:45 PM   #83 
  - Subtext? Don't be critical of the Democratic party only be supportive?  Dept of Beer   Jun-16-11 11:53 PM   #85 
  - 1. Gain consensus for the issues you support (your responsibility in a democracy).  LoZoccolo   Jun-16-11 11:56 PM   #86 
  - I will take what you have wirtten and role it into a big fatty.  Dept of Beer   Jun-17-11 12:00 AM   #87 
  - We did this and got our guy elected and  The Midway Rebel   Jun-17-11 12:08 AM   #90 
     - The Tea Party's been doing it more.  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 07:30 AM   #172 
  - Actually he is perfectly willing to criticize the party when the party is to the left of him.  white_wolf   Jun-17-11 12:01 AM   #88 
     - How many blue dogs stand between he and Kuch?  Dept of Beer   Jun-17-11 12:17 AM   #91 
     - given the posts...  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 04:01 AM   #142 
     - I did so because Kucinich first attacked Obama with a lawsuit. n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 08:29 AM   #191 
        - Not a fully honest response. That was the most recent of many  Bluenorthwest   Jun-17-11 08:50 AM   #199 
           - I also attacked him when he threatened to vote against health care.  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 08:59 AM   #206 
  - So what about the 'other people' in districts with Democrats you  Bluenorthwest   Jun-17-11 08:21 AM   #188 
  - Which Democrats have I railed against? n/t  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 08:44 AM   #194 
     - Do you suffer memory loss?  Bluenorthwest   Jun-17-11 08:52 AM   #201 
        - Probably. I don't get enough sleep.  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 09:04 AM   #208 
  - So his vote does matter?  City Lights   Jun-17-11 08:53 AM   #203 
     - I was addressing a different person in that response.  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 09:07 AM   #211 
  - Yes. He does.  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 01:30 AM   #119 
  - yes, it's the poster's main objective  fascisthunter   Jun-17-11 09:48 AM   #227 
     - I've explicitly stated my main objectives on DU.  LoZoccolo   Jun-17-11 09:50 AM   #231 
  - Don't count on NY any longer. I am from NY and things are  sabrina 1   Jun-17-11 02:01 AM   #129 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-11 11:42 PM   #82 
  - Al Franken has the Dem Farm Labor title in his campaign literature.  MikeMc   Jun-17-11 04:38 AM   #144 
  - KandR  Dystopian   Jun-17-11 12:45 AM   #95 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Jun-17-11 12:46 AM   #97 
  - K&R (n/t)  a2liberal   Jun-17-11 12:46 AM   #98 
  - This is a god-damn masterpiece.  FarLeftFist   Jun-17-11 12:50 AM   #103 
  - K&R You speak for an ever-increasing number of us.  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:20 AM   #113 
  - Shouldn't decisions to disafilliate depend on what is going on in local party organizations?  eridani   Jun-17-11 01:44 AM   #127 
  - Republicans  kimsarah   Jun-17-11 02:08 AM   #130 
  - yup  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 04:00 AM   #141 
  - +1  onpatrol98   Jun-17-11 06:24 AM   #155 
  - GREAT post! nt  Raine   Jun-17-11 02:18 AM   #132 
  - Awesome Post Tom  girl_interrupted   Jun-17-11 02:38 AM   #135 
  - I so agree ...... The Tweed Hat Dems are destroying us.  divvy   Jun-17-11 04:37 AM   #143 
  - Thanks for the post.  MikeMc   Jun-17-11 04:55 AM   #146 
  - There is still a difference between.  sendero   Jun-17-11 05:32 AM   #148 
  - There was a time when the Republican Party  avebury   Jun-17-11 05:33 AM   #149 
  - Yep, I'm working for what I can change too. And praying for the wisdom--  eridani   Jun-17-11 05:55 AM   #151 
  - Surely we can find a middle ground on this disagreement...?  kentuck   Jun-17-11 05:43 AM   #150 
  - I'm a democrat, I was a democrat and I will remain a democrat...  Hubert Flottz   Jun-17-11 05:58 AM   #153 
  - A political Party evolves.. that's natural, normal, expected and necessary.  DCBob   Jun-17-11 06:12 AM   # 
  - This is not an evolution it's a devolution. A shift for the worse. n/t  xphile   Jun-17-11 09:50 AM   # 
  - Excellent OP!  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:12 AM   #154 
  - Great post. I am feelingf a deep loss - like a person without a country. The worst  peacetalksforall   Jun-17-11 06:49 AM   #156 
  - So run for office already!  EstimatedProphet   Jun-17-11 07:08 AM   #160 
  - We DO have a courageous group fighting for us, Tom.  PassingFair   Jun-17-11 07:12 AM   #162 
  - ONE event in California?  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 08:32 AM   #192 
     - These are sitting Congresspeople, not rock stars.  PassingFair   Jun-17-11 10:06 AM   #241 
        - I'm really not trying to be snarky here  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 10:16 AM   #249 
           - They're trying to kick it off and make some noise.  PassingFair   Jun-17-11 10:21 AM   #252 
  - You are not alone  Marrah_G   Jun-17-11 07:12 AM   #163 
  - K & R  Eddie Haskell   Jun-17-11 07:19 AM   #166 
  - Democratic supreme court appointments are still good.  Lucky Luciano   Jun-17-11 07:24 AM   #167 
  - The Party has already risked it.  mmonk   Jun-17-11 07:27 AM   #170 
  - What break with the party? Are you a party member on some organizational level?  harmonicon   Jun-17-11 07:40 AM   #174 
  - I was a Democrat for 28 years.  Le Taz Hot   Jun-17-11 07:48 AM   #175 
  - The President's navet  The Wizard   Jun-17-11 07:54 AM   #177 
  - Both parties SUCK BALLS and pander to lobbyists in preparation for their post government careers  think   Jun-17-11 07:57 AM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-11 08:08 AM   #183 
  - You speak for me  crim son   Jun-17-11 08:20 AM   #187 
  - Hey.... stay and fight within with US  fascisthunter   Jun-17-11 08:22 AM   #189 
  - Looking back it seems that Howard Dean was our last great chance  go west young man   Jun-17-11 08:52 AM   #200 
  - Thank you. K&R n/t  myrna minx   Jun-17-11 08:52 AM   #202 
  - I have to agree with much of what you say.  BonnieJW   Jun-17-11 08:57 AM   #205 
  - I stopped being a Democrat in 2008.  Beacool   Jun-17-11 09:01 AM   #207 
  - Let's compare the parties in terms of  ProSense   Jun-17-11 09:06 AM   #210 
  - Hard to disagree with what you said here. I'm a loyal Dem. It's the centrists who betray the party.  blm   Jun-17-11 09:15 AM   #212 
  - Hear, hear. nt  valerief   Jun-17-11 09:20 AM   #214 
  - A great post, Tom.  hifiguy   Jun-17-11 09:27 AM   #216 
  - +1  Howler   Jun-17-11 09:29 AM   #220 
  - Thank you for saying this so eloquently  Wanet   Jun-17-11 09:33 AM   #221 
  - Wow, such a sign of the times that this is allowed to stand on DU  tpsbmam   Jun-17-11 09:41 AM   #224 
  - Excellent post. Thank you...  NorthCarolina   Jun-17-11 09:43 AM   #225 
  - Thank you for this most excellent post. K&R.  NC_Nurse   Jun-17-11 09:44 AM   #226 
  - Is a massive primary/convention effort plausible as a solution?  kenfrequed   Jun-17-11 09:50 AM   #229 
  - You Speak Words & Volumes For Me... I Feel The Same Way You Do...  ChiciB1   Jun-17-11 09:50 AM   #230 
  - I completely agree, and I'm sure others do as well.  joanbarnes   Jun-17-11 09:55 AM   #233 
  - There's a big difference between those who act like Democrats and those who simply  Lorien   Jun-17-11 09:57 AM   #235 
  - Having been a NPA for a decade...  Dappleganger   Jun-17-11 10:00 AM   #236 
  - Thank you - for expressing our grief and anger. nt  woo me with science   Jun-17-11 10:11 AM   #245 
  - I'm Not Going to Argue with You about Your Political Choices or Decisions, But I Have One Question  Yavin4   Jun-17-11 10:15 AM   #248 
  - Locking  The empressof all   Jun-17-11 10:22 AM   #253 
 

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