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Thu Jun-16-11 06:15 PM
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| -Maybe our biggest health care cost problem is a lack of tort reform. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 05:48 PM |
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Because it is a non problem? |
RC |
Jun-16-11 05:50 PM |
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I'm assuming you forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t |
nosmokes |
Jun-16-11 05:51 PM |
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Are you fucking serious? |
supernova |
Jun-16-11 05:51 PM |
#3 |
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note the posting history |
CreekDog |
Jun-16-11 09:20 PM |
#42 |
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Just as an aside .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-16-11 10:08 PM |
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+1 |
Morning Dew |
Jun-17-11 01:29 AM |
#129 |
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She is totally serious. |
Bluebear |
Jun-17-11 01:22 AM |
#126 |
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Because doctors getting sued only cost something like 1% of the total package |
mrcheerful |
Jun-16-11 05:53 PM |
#4 |
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True. That is why it is a non-issue. |
avaistheone1 |
Jun-16-11 05:54 PM |
#6 |
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But what is the cost of excessive testing due to the threat of being sued? |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:18 PM |
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Why do you think over testing is due to the threat of being sued? |
MadHound |
Jun-16-11 10:11 PM |
#75 |
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I don't know any doctors who own a share of labs. Does yours? |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:47 PM |
#96 |
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Yes they really do own or are paid by labs to over test |
mrcheerful |
Jun-17-11 12:57 AM |
#124 |
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Aren't you suspicious of that? |
dkf |
Jun-17-11 07:24 AM |
#148 |
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Insurance Conpanies = Suspicion |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-17-11 08:08 AM |
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Who do you think owns those clinics? |
AngryAmish |
Jun-17-11 08:12 AM |
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So tort reform should reign in excessive testing, yes? |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-17-11 01:19 AM |
#125 |
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Thank you for the information. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:23 AM |
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Providers order billions in tests to keep from getting sued. |
ileus |
Jun-17-11 07:40 AM |
#151 |
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Because tort reform isn't the issue. |
PDJane |
Jun-16-11 05:53 PM |
#5 |
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Do You Ever Tire Of Trotting Out Republican Platform Planks, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 05:55 PM |
#7 |
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+100 |
pinboy3niner |
Jun-16-11 05:56 PM |
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+ Another 100 |
hobbit709 |
Jun-16-11 05:58 PM |
#15 |
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All the time +100000 |
neverforget |
Jun-16-11 06:12 PM |
#24 |
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Never, apparently. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-16-11 06:15 PM |
#25 |
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drive by trolling |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-16-11 06:18 PM |
#26 |
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What is the downside of just trying it? |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 07:24 PM |
#36 |
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It Is A Red Herring, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 07:31 PM |
#37 |
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Are you saying there is no cost for defensive medicine? |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:11 PM |
#38 |
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In fact, national healthcare reduces litigation costs in ALL industries |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 09:38 PM |
#53 |
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Most Extra Tests, Ma'am, Owe To 'Fee For Service' Payment, Where Doctors Have An Interest in The Lab |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 09:51 PM |
#58 |
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Well maybe insurance companies need to ban these relationships as a conflict of interest. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:00 PM |
#63 |
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Are Suggesting Banning Doctors From Engaging In Entrepreneurship, Ma'am? |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:04 PM |
#66 |
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Hell yeah I support socialized medicine. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:18 PM |
#80 |
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Then Stop Trotting Out Republican Platform Planks, Ma'am, And Support It |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:25 PM |
#86 |
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If they don't drive costs up for other people who then can't afford medical care then i wouldn't |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:33 PM |
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No, Ma'am: You Are Taking Republican Party Platform Planks Out For Walkies |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:37 PM |
#92 |
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I've seen with my own eyes what a culture driven by fear of lawsuits does. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:54 PM |
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Of Course You Have, Ma'am.... |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 11:00 PM |
#102 |
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Well we all have to take people's word for it right? |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 11:05 PM |
#107 |
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If You Say So, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 11:07 PM |
#109 |
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a kudos to you for holding it in so well. |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-20-11 04:17 AM |
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It's called for-profit medicine and it makes a LOT |
liberalhistorian |
Jun-16-11 10:50 PM |
#97 |
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"Defensive medicine" is a RW myth. nt |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:25 AM |
#142 |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Jun-20-11 12:47 AM |
#183 |
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More about The costs of excessive/unnecessary testing. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:31 PM |
#50 |
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You Mis-Characterize the Quote, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 09:59 PM |
#62 |
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That and getting a good ROI on "the machine that goes PING!" /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 10:04 PM |
#67 |
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Someone did point out to me that hospitals sometimes order equipment |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:10 PM |
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I See, Ma'am: All Lies from Those Damned Trial Lawyers, Hey? |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:14 PM |
#77 |
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I don't really care about other practices, but health care costs are a shared burden. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:27 PM |
#87 |
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Then Attack Insurance Company Profits And Denials Of Care, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:29 PM |
#89 |
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No one seems to remember how worthless I thought healthcare reform was because it entrenched |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 10:40 PM |
#94 |
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Then Denounce It, Ma'am, And Leave The Republican Platform Planks In the Kennel |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:42 PM |
#95 |
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I like to find things out for myself, not follow the dictates of others. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 11:13 PM |
#111 |
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Cute, Ma'am, But No Cigar |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 11:17 PM |
#114 |
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Do you completely discount all the concerns listed below? |
dkf |
Jun-17-11 05:51 AM |
#131 |
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Wikipedia, Ma'am? |
The Magistrate |
Jun-17-11 05:56 AM |
#132 |
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Why not address the substance instead of simply trying to invalidate it as "republican"? |
dkf |
Jun-17-11 06:12 AM |
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There Is No Substance To Address, Ma'am, Only a Politicized Claim That is False To Fact |
The Magistrate |
Jun-17-11 06:35 AM |
#144 |
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we have tort reform in California for decades --why don't you know that? |
CreekDog |
Jun-17-11 06:37 AM |
#145 |
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The $250k cap only addresses the punitive damages. |
dkf |
Jun-17-11 07:08 AM |
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Anything But An Insurance Company Paying on a Policy, Ma'am, Seems To Be Your Battle Cry Here |
The Magistrate |
Jun-17-11 07:35 AM |
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So let me understand your point here. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-17-11 10:09 AM |
#164 |
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So how much time have you invested in researching this subject? |
Jefferson23 |
Jun-17-11 09:02 PM |
#176 |
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Wikipedia is NOT an acceptable source to back up any argument |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-17-11 08:20 AM |
#161 |
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Or how about this? |
dkf |
Jun-17-11 05:57 AM |
#133 |
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I want to print out this post and frame it. |
trotsky |
Jun-20-11 06:56 AM |
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Another screwing of the poor and middle classes |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-16-11 11:21 PM |
#116 |
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Well why don't we let some doctor injure you in a way that requires medical attention for the rest |
xphile |
Jun-16-11 11:47 PM |
#121 |
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+1 |
CreekDog |
Jun-16-11 09:21 PM |
#43 |
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At long last /nt |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 09:26 PM |
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I must build a shrine to worship you, just |
Autumn |
Jun-16-11 09:31 PM |
#51 |
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No, sir. Never. n/t |
QC |
Jun-16-11 10:34 PM |
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Never. Ever. |
Bluebear |
Jun-17-11 01:23 AM |
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PLUS ONE...............nt |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:24 AM |
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+1 |
Marrah_G |
Jun-17-11 07:42 AM |
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I live in a state w/very stringent tort reform - hasn't brought cost down at ALL. |
Maru Kitteh |
Jun-16-11 05:55 PM |
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Because 'reform' is a code word for 'screw the powerless' |
taterguy |
Jun-16-11 05:55 PM |
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+1000 nt |
abelenkpe |
Jun-16-11 06:03 PM |
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Because it's a scam? |
aquart |
Jun-16-11 05:56 PM |
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No, it's the welfare queens in Cadillacs.. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-16-11 05:56 PM |
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And Sharia Law being imposed on Americans. nt |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:31 AM |
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Yeah, that too. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-17-11 11:00 AM |
#165 |
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please provide the evidence for your claim. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-16-11 05:56 PM |
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I was talking to someone who left the health care industry and she says it was huge for them |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 06:51 PM |
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so your proof is a "friend of..." story? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-16-11 09:30 PM |
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Well Peter Orszag thinks excessive practices costs us $700 billion a year. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:43 PM |
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As You Know, Ma'am, That Quote Does Not Endorse Your Point |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:02 PM |
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What does that have to do with tort reform? |
Doctor_J |
Jun-16-11 11:35 PM |
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Auto mechanics routinely perform unneeded repairs as well |
tkmorris |
Jun-16-11 11:49 PM |
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the lawyers and the insurance companies |
Carolina |
Jun-17-11 03:44 PM |
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No doctor gives away his salary and leaves the profession for this non-existent "fear." |
WinkyDink |
Jun-17-11 06:15 AM |
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Because it's not our biggest health care cost problem and |
xphile |
Jun-16-11 05:58 PM |
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Ok, "maybe". Anything is possible. But in this case almost definitely not. |
Edweird |
Jun-16-11 05:58 PM |
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You're putting the cart before the horse here. |
surrealAmerican |
Jun-16-11 06:01 PM |
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Very true. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:55 PM |
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It isn't even close to our biggest cost problem. |
pnwmom |
Jun-16-11 06:02 PM |
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The same reason we are against tort reform in other industries. |
mmonk |
Jun-16-11 06:03 PM |
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Thank you -- !!! And actually it seems to me that ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-16-11 10:09 PM |
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You're correct. |
mmonk |
Jun-16-11 10:17 PM |
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Because medical errors and negligence |
liberalhistorian |
Jun-16-11 06:10 PM |
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+1 |
Zebedeo |
Jun-16-11 07:02 PM |
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Why punish bad medical practice with funds paid though. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:16 PM |
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They SHOULD lose their licenses |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 09:29 PM |
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I just don't think the legal system does a good job of producing good outcomes. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:34 PM |
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Which has nothing to do with self-regulation of the medical profession |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 09:47 PM |
#56 |
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Heavens Forbid, Ma'am, An Injured Person Be Made Whole By the Courts.... |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:05 PM |
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And the medical system does? |
liberalhistorian |
Jun-16-11 10:57 PM |
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true enough: the courts are wildly stacked in favor of wealthy corporations |
Warren Stupidity |
Jun-17-11 03:22 PM |
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and tax cuts will cure the economy |
quaker bill |
Jun-18-11 05:59 AM |
#178 |
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Great evidence for support! "I just don't think...." |
WinkyDink |
Jun-20-11 06:48 AM |
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You "can see paying for medical care if |
liberalhistorian |
Jun-16-11 11:02 PM |
#104 |
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Let a Jury Decide, Not a Lawmaker |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-17-11 07:57 AM |
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Have to recheck the figures, but 100,000+ patients in hospitals unnecessarily dead -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-16-11 10:11 PM |
#74 |
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Yeah, but to the OP and the RW they're just |
liberalhistorian |
Jun-16-11 11:03 PM |
#105 |
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no, it isn't, that's a RW talking point. |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-16-11 06:11 PM |
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The OP knows that LOL |
CreekDog |
Jun-16-11 10:59 PM |
#101 |
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Right.. and the big banks are completely innocent of any wrongdoing. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-16-11 06:12 PM |
#23 |
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thats what republicans say |
me b zola |
Jun-16-11 06:19 PM |
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Stop with the rightwing fucking bullshit, OK? |
eridani |
Jun-16-11 06:24 PM |
#28 |
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And it's not just in healthcare either |
jberryhill |
Jun-16-11 09:45 PM |
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Nice anecdote. I think I'll steal it! n/t |
eridani |
Jun-17-11 12:18 AM |
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Yes, Tort reform is needed -- to stop HOSPITALS FROM SUING PATIENTS. |
demodonkey |
Jun-16-11 06:25 PM |
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it's funny, because whenever anyone tries to regulate, the judicial system is used as the |
ejpoeta |
Jun-16-11 06:30 PM |
#30 |
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Well maybe that doesn't work. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:21 PM |
#44 |
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exactly. for the most part, people who sue do so because of something that was done |
ejpoeta |
Jun-17-11 06:06 AM |
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Our biggest health care cost problem is for-profit primary health insurance. |
ET Awful |
Jun-16-11 06:48 PM |
#31 |
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While Insurance Companies, Sir, Consume One Fifth Of Health Spending, And Add No Value At All |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 07:06 PM |
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Bingo. More than 30% of every dollar spent on health insurance is pure overhead |
ET Awful |
Jun-16-11 09:58 PM |
#61 |
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Exactly |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:37 AM |
#146 |
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Seriously? After all the proof in several states with tort reform |
Curmudgeoness |
Jun-16-11 07:04 PM |
#34 |
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Why don't you tell us why you're for it? |
myrna minx |
Jun-16-11 09:18 PM |
#41 |
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I think defensive medicine is one cost driver. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:24 PM |
#46 |
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Again, Ma'am, You Miss The Point |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 10:21 PM |
#83 |
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Compared to what doctors steal from insurance companies everyday what is won |
RB TexLa |
Jun-16-11 09:24 PM |
#45 |
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Robert Bork is probably the strongest single supporter of "tort reform".. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-16-11 09:47 PM |
#57 |
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It is ironic that you use his suing for such a stupid reason to support not touching tort reform. |
dkf |
Jun-16-11 09:52 PM |
#59 |
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Not at all, the *real* irony is that a world class "tort reformer"... |
Fumesucker |
Jun-16-11 10:07 PM |
#70 |
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Don't forget Rick Santorun, another HUGE proponent of tort reform. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Jun-16-11 11:05 PM |
#108 |
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okay, then corporations can't sue either --deal? |
CreekDog |
Jun-16-11 10:56 PM |
#99 |
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You seem to be confusing the "merits of the case" with the ability to make a case. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Jun-16-11 11:13 PM |
#112 |
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Glad To Hear It Hurt, Sir: Excruciating Pain is Something This Creature Cannot Get Too Much Of.... |
The Magistrate |
Jun-16-11 11:19 PM |
#115 |
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Tee Hee! I know I shouldn't ... but you're right. |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Jun-16-11 11:42 PM |
#120 |
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Only if by "Maybe" you mean "It is logically possible that." |
Unvanguard |
Jun-16-11 10:03 PM |
#65 |
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I want to ask an honest question here... |
Throd |
Jun-16-11 10:12 PM |
#76 |
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Restrictions on medical malpractice suits. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-16-11 10:15 PM |
#78 |
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Because the rw "reform" is a deform which attacks the rights of citizens for |
defendandprotect |
Jun-16-11 10:07 PM |
#69 |
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Because the law suits of everyone else are bullshit but when YOU need a lawyer |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-16-11 10:18 PM |
#81 |
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Do not some lawsuits lack merit? |
Throd |
Jun-16-11 10:21 PM |
#82 |
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Of course, that's what we have courts for.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-16-11 10:23 PM |
#85 |
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Those usually get thrown out, |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-16-11 10:28 PM |
#88 |
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Troll. |
Doremus |
Jun-16-11 10:22 PM |
#84 |
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Excellent question. |
devilgrrl |
Jun-17-11 12:48 PM |
#167 |
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I don't think that will solve anything for the common people. However, I would |
theophilus |
Jun-16-11 10:38 PM |
#93 |
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! |
CreekDog |
Jun-16-11 11:00 PM |
#103 |
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This makes me laugh |
jmowreader |
Jun-16-11 11:03 PM |
#106 |
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Biggest Issue?? Tort Reform My Ass |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-16-11 11:09 PM |
#110 |
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This MD/MPH says "No, our biggest health care problem is lack of disease prevention." |
McCamy Taylor |
Jun-16-11 11:15 PM |
#113 |
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Greed is the biggest problem |
Angry Dragon |
Jun-16-11 11:32 PM |
#117 |
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Agree |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-17-11 08:04 AM |
#157 |
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Why are you here? |
Doctor_J |
Jun-16-11 11:33 PM |
#118 |
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Tired of talking about 'illegals'? |
Bluebear |
Jun-17-11 01:25 AM |
#128 |
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Oh? Does it have a thing for "illegals" too? nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jun-17-11 03:53 PM |
#171 |
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Bigtime. |
Bluebear |
Jun-17-11 08:41 PM |
#174 |
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Yet somehow it's still here free to spread this bullshit. I'm not forgetting the islamophobic |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jun-17-11 08:47 PM |
#175 |
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Maybe you have a profound lack of information |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-17-11 01:38 AM |
#130 |
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Bwahahahaha! Yes, let's limit the citizenry's rights to redress, shall we? There but for the Grace |
WinkyDink |
Jun-17-11 06:14 AM |
#136 |
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How many people have you known during your lifetime who successfully sued a doctor? |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-17-11 06:16 AM |
#138 |
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The corporate right wing |
Enthusiast |
Jun-17-11 06:21 AM |
#139 |
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Providers order expensive tests just to keep lawyers at bay. |
ileus |
Jun-17-11 07:32 AM |
#149 |
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And your Source for this statement is? |
StevesRedLens |
Jun-17-11 08:03 AM |
#156 |
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Our biggest issue with healthcare costs are greedy Insurance companies. |
Marrah_G |
Jun-17-11 07:41 AM |
#152 |
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Maybe we should lift the yoke of socialism from the necks of the productive classes |
QC |
Jun-17-11 07:48 AM |
#154 |
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No,our BIGGEST health care cost problem is that millionaires need more tax cuts. |
eShirl |
Jun-17-11 08:10 AM |
#159 |
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OMC!!!! |
RandiFan1290 |
Jun-17-11 08:24 AM |
#162 |
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--- |
Bluebear |
Jun-18-11 05:04 AM |
#177 |
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Why hasn't this thread, brimming with right wing talking points been locked? |
devilgrrl |
Jun-17-11 08:32 AM |
#163 |
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rofl.... uh yeah... |
dionysus |
Jun-17-11 11:19 AM |
#166 |
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No. The biggest problem is the non mosque not at ground zero followed by DU's "hatred" of |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jun-17-11 03:50 PM |
#170 |
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Because socialist Europe has it and we don't want to be like them. |
ItNerd4life |
Jun-17-11 04:27 PM |
#172 |
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WE HAVE MEDICAL TORT REFORM IN TEXAS. |
Ilsa |
Jun-17-11 04:32 PM |
#173 |
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Because attorneys have very powerful lobbyists working for them. |
Thaddeus Kosciuszko |
Jun-18-11 07:32 AM |
#179 |
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That Is Just Too Cute For Words, Sir.... |
The Magistrate |
Jun-18-11 11:50 AM |
#180 |
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Insurance companies and doctors do too |
treestar |
Jun-18-11 11:53 AM |
#182 |
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Right. Because doctors' salaries are used for patient health-care. |
WinkyDink |
Jun-20-11 06:53 AM |
#186 |
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It closes the courthouse door to poorer people |
treestar |
Jun-18-11 11:52 AM |
#181 |
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This is the entire point of "tort reform." Notice the wealthy always "lawyer up" when they want. |
WinkyDink |
Jun-20-11 06:54 AM |
#187 |
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