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Maybe our biggest health care cost problem is a lack of tort reform.
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  -Maybe our biggest health care cost problem is a lack of tort reform. dkf  Jun-16-11 05:48 PM   #0 
  - Because it is a non problem?  RC   Jun-16-11 05:50 PM   #1 
  - I'm assuming you forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t  nosmokes   Jun-16-11 05:51 PM   #2 
  - Are you fucking serious?  supernova   Jun-16-11 05:51 PM   #3 
  - note the posting history  CreekDog   Jun-16-11 09:20 PM   #42 
  - Just as an aside ....  defendandprotect   Jun-16-11 10:08 PM   #71 
  - +1  Morning Dew   Jun-17-11 01:29 AM   #129 
  - She is totally serious.  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 01:22 AM   #126 
  - Because doctors getting sued only cost something like 1% of the total package  mrcheerful   Jun-16-11 05:53 PM   #4 
  - True. That is why it is a non-issue.  avaistheone1   Jun-16-11 05:54 PM   #6 
  - But what is the cost of excessive testing due to the threat of being sued?  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:18 PM   #40 
  - Why do you think over testing is due to the threat of being sued?  MadHound   Jun-16-11 10:11 PM   #75 
  - I don't know any doctors who own a share of labs. Does yours?  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:47 PM   #96 
     - Yes they really do own or are paid by labs to over test  mrcheerful   Jun-17-11 12:57 AM   #124 
     - Aren't you suspicious of that?  dkf   Jun-17-11 07:24 AM   #148 
        - Insurance Conpanies = Suspicion  StevesRedLens   Jun-17-11 08:08 AM   #158 
     - Who do you think owns those clinics?  AngryAmish   Jun-17-11 08:12 AM   #160 
  - So tort reform should reign in excessive testing, yes?  MilesColtrane   Jun-17-11 01:19 AM   #125 
     - Thank you for the information.  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:23 AM   #140 
  - Providers order billions in tests to keep from getting sued.  ileus   Jun-17-11 07:40 AM   #151 
  - Because tort reform isn't the issue.  PDJane   Jun-16-11 05:53 PM   #5 
  - Do You Ever Tire Of Trotting Out Republican Platform Planks, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 05:55 PM   #7 
  - +100  pinboy3niner   Jun-16-11 05:56 PM   #12 
  - + Another 100  hobbit709   Jun-16-11 05:58 PM   #15 
  - All the time +100000  neverforget   Jun-16-11 06:12 PM   #24 
  - Never, apparently.  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-16-11 06:15 PM   #25 
  - drive by trolling  Warren Stupidity   Jun-16-11 06:18 PM   #26 
  - What is the downside of just trying it?  dkf   Jun-16-11 07:24 PM   #36 
  - It Is A Red Herring, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 07:31 PM   #37 
  - Are you saying there is no cost for defensive medicine?  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:11 PM   #38 
  - In fact, national healthcare reduces litigation costs in ALL industries  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 09:38 PM   #53 
  - Most Extra Tests, Ma'am, Owe To 'Fee For Service' Payment, Where Doctors Have An Interest in The Lab  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 09:51 PM   #58 
  - Well maybe insurance companies need to ban these relationships as a conflict of interest.  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:00 PM   #63 
     - Are Suggesting Banning Doctors From Engaging In Entrepreneurship, Ma'am?  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:04 PM   #66 
        - Hell yeah I support socialized medicine.  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:18 PM   #80 
           - Then Stop Trotting Out Republican Platform Planks, Ma'am, And Support It  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:25 PM   #86 
              - If they don't drive costs up for other people who then can't afford medical care then i wouldn't  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:33 PM   #90 
                 - No, Ma'am: You Are Taking Republican Party Platform Planks Out For Walkies  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:37 PM   #92 
                    - I've seen with my own eyes what a culture driven by fear of lawsuits does.  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:54 PM   #98 
                       - Of Course You Have, Ma'am....  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 11:00 PM   #102 
                          - Well we all have to take people's word for it right?  dkf   Jun-16-11 11:05 PM   #107 
                             - If You Say So, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 11:07 PM   #109 
                                - a kudos to you for holding it in so well.  Gabi Hayes   Jun-20-11 04:17 AM   #184 
  - It's called for-profit medicine and it makes a LOT  liberalhistorian   Jun-16-11 10:50 PM   #97 
  - "Defensive medicine" is a RW myth. nt  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:25 AM   #142 
     - +  Bluebear   Jun-20-11 12:47 AM   #183 
  - More about The costs of excessive/unnecessary testing.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:31 PM   #50 
  - You Mis-Characterize the Quote, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 09:59 PM   #62 
     - That and getting a good ROI on "the machine that goes PING!" /nt  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 10:04 PM   #67 
     - Someone did point out to me that hospitals sometimes order equipment  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:10 PM   #73 
        - I See, Ma'am: All Lies from Those Damned Trial Lawyers, Hey?  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:14 PM   #77 
           - I don't really care about other practices, but health care costs are a shared burden.  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:27 PM   #87 
              - Then Attack Insurance Company Profits And Denials Of Care, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:29 PM   #89 
                 - No one seems to remember how worthless I thought healthcare reform was because it entrenched  dkf   Jun-16-11 10:40 PM   #94 
                    - Then Denounce It, Ma'am, And Leave The Republican Platform Planks In the Kennel  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:42 PM   #95 
                       - I like to find things out for myself, not follow the dictates of others.  dkf   Jun-16-11 11:13 PM   #111 
                          - Cute, Ma'am, But No Cigar  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 11:17 PM   #114 
                             - Do you completely discount all the concerns listed below?  dkf   Jun-17-11 05:51 AM   #131 
                             - Wikipedia, Ma'am?  The Magistrate   Jun-17-11 05:56 AM   #132 
                             - Why not address the substance instead of simply trying to invalidate it as "republican"?  dkf   Jun-17-11 06:12 AM   #135 
                                - There Is No Substance To Address, Ma'am, Only a Politicized Claim That is False To Fact  The Magistrate   Jun-17-11 06:35 AM   #144 
                                - we have tort reform in California for decades --why don't you know that?  CreekDog   Jun-17-11 06:37 AM   #145 
                                   - The $250k cap only addresses the punitive damages.  dkf   Jun-17-11 07:08 AM   #147 
                                      - Anything But An Insurance Company Paying on a Policy, Ma'am, Seems To Be Your Battle Cry Here  The Magistrate   Jun-17-11 07:35 AM   #150 
                                      - So let me understand your point here.  Warren Stupidity   Jun-17-11 10:09 AM   #164 
                                      - So how much time have you invested in researching this subject?  Jefferson23   Jun-17-11 09:02 PM   #176 
                             - Wikipedia is NOT an acceptable source to back up any argument  StevesRedLens   Jun-17-11 08:20 AM   #161 
                             - Or how about this?  dkf   Jun-17-11 05:57 AM   #133 
  - I want to print out this post and frame it.  trotsky   Jun-20-11 06:56 AM   #188 
  - Another screwing of the poor and middle classes  StevesRedLens   Jun-16-11 11:21 PM   #116 
  - Well why don't we let some doctor injure you in a way that requires medical attention for the rest  xphile   Jun-16-11 11:47 PM   #121 
  - +1  CreekDog   Jun-16-11 09:21 PM   #43 
  - At long last /nt  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 09:26 PM   #47 
  - I must build a shrine to worship you, just  Autumn   Jun-16-11 09:31 PM   #51 
  - No, sir. Never. n/t  QC   Jun-16-11 10:34 PM   #91 
  - Never. Ever.  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 01:23 AM   #127 
  - PLUS ONE...............nt  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:24 AM   #141 
  - +1  Marrah_G   Jun-17-11 07:42 AM   #153 
  - I live in a state w/very stringent tort reform - hasn't brought cost down at ALL.  Maru Kitteh   Jun-16-11 05:55 PM   #8 
  - Because 'reform' is a code word for 'screw the powerless'  taterguy   Jun-16-11 05:55 PM   #9 
  - +1000 nt  abelenkpe   Jun-16-11 06:03 PM   #19 
  - Because it's a scam?  aquart   Jun-16-11 05:56 PM   #10 
  - No, it's the welfare queens in Cadillacs..  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-16-11 05:56 PM   #11 
  - And Sharia Law being imposed on Americans. nt  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:31 AM   #143 
     - Yeah, that too. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-17-11 11:00 AM   #165 
  - please provide the evidence for your claim.  Warren Stupidity   Jun-16-11 05:56 PM   #13 
  - I was talking to someone who left the health care industry and she says it was huge for them  dkf   Jun-16-11 06:51 PM   #32 
     - so your proof is a "friend of..." story?  Warren Stupidity   Jun-16-11 09:30 PM   #49 
     - Well Peter Orszag thinks excessive practices costs us $700 billion a year.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:43 PM   #54 
     - As You Know, Ma'am, That Quote Does Not Endorse Your Point  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:02 PM   #64 
     - What does that have to do with tort reform?  Doctor_J   Jun-16-11 11:35 PM   #119 
     - Auto mechanics routinely perform unneeded repairs as well  tkmorris   Jun-16-11 11:49 PM   #122 
     - the lawyers and the insurance companies  Carolina   Jun-17-11 03:44 PM   #169 
     - No doctor gives away his salary and leaves the profession for this non-existent "fear."  WinkyDink   Jun-17-11 06:15 AM   #137 
  - Because it's not our biggest health care cost problem and  xphile   Jun-16-11 05:58 PM   #14 
  - Ok, "maybe". Anything is possible. But in this case almost definitely not.  Edweird   Jun-16-11 05:58 PM   #16 
  - You're putting the cart before the horse here.  surrealAmerican   Jun-16-11 06:01 PM   #17 
  - Very true.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:55 PM   #60 
  - It isn't even close to our biggest cost problem.  pnwmom   Jun-16-11 06:02 PM   #18 
  - The same reason we are against tort reform in other industries.  mmonk   Jun-16-11 06:03 PM   #20 
  - Thank you -- !!! And actually it seems to me that ...  defendandprotect   Jun-16-11 10:09 PM   #72 
     - You're correct.  mmonk   Jun-16-11 10:17 PM   #79 
  - Because medical errors and negligence  liberalhistorian   Jun-16-11 06:10 PM   #21 
  - +1  Zebedeo   Jun-16-11 07:02 PM   #33 
  - Why punish bad medical practice with funds paid though.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:16 PM   #39 
  - They SHOULD lose their licenses  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 09:29 PM   #48 
  - I just don't think the legal system does a good job of producing good outcomes.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:34 PM   #52 
     - Which has nothing to do with self-regulation of the medical profession  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 09:47 PM   #56 
     - Heavens Forbid, Ma'am, An Injured Person Be Made Whole By the Courts....  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:05 PM   #68 
     - And the medical system does?  liberalhistorian   Jun-16-11 10:57 PM   #100 
     - true enough: the courts are wildly stacked in favor of wealthy corporations  Warren Stupidity   Jun-17-11 03:22 PM   #168 
     - and tax cuts will cure the economy  quaker bill   Jun-18-11 05:59 AM   #178 
     - Great evidence for support! "I just don't think...."  WinkyDink   Jun-20-11 06:48 AM   #185 
  - You "can see paying for medical care if  liberalhistorian   Jun-16-11 11:02 PM   #104 
  - Let a Jury Decide, Not a Lawmaker  StevesRedLens   Jun-17-11 07:57 AM   #155 
  - Have to recheck the figures, but 100,000+ patients in hospitals unnecessarily dead -- !!  defendandprotect   Jun-16-11 10:11 PM   #74 
     - Yeah, but to the OP and the RW they're just  liberalhistorian   Jun-16-11 11:03 PM   #105 
  - no, it isn't, that's a RW talking point.  FLAprogressive   Jun-16-11 06:11 PM   #22 
  - The OP knows that LOL  CreekDog   Jun-16-11 10:59 PM   #101 
  - Right.. and the big banks are completely innocent of any wrongdoing.  girl gone mad   Jun-16-11 06:12 PM   #23 
  - thats what republicans say  me b zola   Jun-16-11 06:19 PM   #27 
  - Stop with the rightwing fucking bullshit, OK?  eridani   Jun-16-11 06:24 PM   #28 
  - And it's not just in healthcare either  jberryhill   Jun-16-11 09:45 PM   #55 
     - Nice anecdote. I think I'll steal it! n/t  eridani   Jun-17-11 12:18 AM   #123 
  - Yes, Tort reform is needed -- to stop HOSPITALS FROM SUING PATIENTS.  demodonkey   Jun-16-11 06:25 PM   #29 
  - it's funny, because whenever anyone tries to regulate, the judicial system is used as the  ejpoeta   Jun-16-11 06:30 PM   #30 
  - Well maybe that doesn't work.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:21 PM   #44 
     - exactly. for the most part, people who sue do so because of something that was done  ejpoeta   Jun-17-11 06:06 AM   #134 
  - Our biggest health care cost problem is for-profit primary health insurance.  ET Awful   Jun-16-11 06:48 PM   #31 
  - While Insurance Companies, Sir, Consume One Fifth Of Health Spending, And Add No Value At All  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 07:06 PM   #35 
     - Bingo. More than 30% of every dollar spent on health insurance is pure overhead  ET Awful   Jun-16-11 09:58 PM   #61 
     - Exactly  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:37 AM   #146 
  - Seriously? After all the proof in several states with tort reform  Curmudgeoness   Jun-16-11 07:04 PM   #34 
  - Why don't you tell us why you're for it?  myrna minx   Jun-16-11 09:18 PM   #41 
  - I think defensive medicine is one cost driver.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:24 PM   #46 
     - Again, Ma'am, You Miss The Point  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 10:21 PM   #83 
  - Compared to what doctors steal from insurance companies everyday what is won  RB TexLa   Jun-16-11 09:24 PM   #45 
  - Robert Bork is probably the strongest single supporter of "tort reform"..  Fumesucker   Jun-16-11 09:47 PM   #57 
  - It is ironic that you use his suing for such a stupid reason to support not touching tort reform.  dkf   Jun-16-11 09:52 PM   #59 
     - Not at all, the *real* irony is that a world class "tort reformer"...  Fumesucker   Jun-16-11 10:07 PM   #70 
     - Don't forget Rick Santorun, another HUGE proponent of tort reform.  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-11 11:05 PM   #108 
     - okay, then corporations can't sue either --deal?  CreekDog   Jun-16-11 10:56 PM   #99 
     - You seem to be confusing the "merits of the case" with the ability to make a case.  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-11 11:13 PM   #112 
        - Glad To Hear It Hurt, Sir: Excruciating Pain is Something This Creature Cannot Get Too Much Of....  The Magistrate   Jun-16-11 11:19 PM   #115 
           - Tee Hee! I know I shouldn't ... but you're right.  Hassin Bin Sober   Jun-16-11 11:42 PM   #120 
  - Only if by "Maybe" you mean "It is logically possible that."  Unvanguard   Jun-16-11 10:03 PM   #65 
  - I want to ask an honest question here...  Throd   Jun-16-11 10:12 PM   #76 
     - Restrictions on medical malpractice suits.  Unvanguard   Jun-16-11 10:15 PM   #78 
  - Because the rw "reform" is a deform which attacks the rights of citizens for  defendandprotect   Jun-16-11 10:07 PM   #69 
  - Because the law suits of everyone else are bullshit but when YOU need a lawyer  Goblinmonger   Jun-16-11 10:18 PM   #81 
  - Do not some lawsuits lack merit?  Throd   Jun-16-11 10:21 PM   #82 
     - Of course, that's what we have courts for..  Fumesucker   Jun-16-11 10:23 PM   #85 
     - Those usually get thrown out,  Goblinmonger   Jun-16-11 10:28 PM   #88 
  - Troll.  Doremus   Jun-16-11 10:22 PM   #84 
  - Excellent question.  devilgrrl   Jun-17-11 12:48 PM   #167 
  - I don't think that will solve anything for the common people. However, I would  theophilus   Jun-16-11 10:38 PM   #93 
  - !  CreekDog   Jun-16-11 11:00 PM   #103 
  - This makes me laugh  jmowreader   Jun-16-11 11:03 PM   #106 
  - Biggest Issue?? Tort Reform My Ass  StevesRedLens   Jun-16-11 11:09 PM   #110 
  - This MD/MPH says "No, our biggest health care problem is lack of disease prevention."  McCamy Taylor   Jun-16-11 11:15 PM   #113 
  - Greed is the biggest problem  Angry Dragon   Jun-16-11 11:32 PM   #117 
  - Agree  StevesRedLens   Jun-17-11 08:04 AM   #157 
  - Why are you here?  Doctor_J   Jun-16-11 11:33 PM   #118 
  - Tired of talking about 'illegals'?  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 01:25 AM   #128 
  - Oh? Does it have a thing for "illegals" too? nt  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jun-17-11 03:53 PM   #171 
     - Bigtime.  Bluebear   Jun-17-11 08:41 PM   #174 
        - Yet somehow it's still here free to spread this bullshit. I'm not forgetting the islamophobic  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jun-17-11 08:47 PM   #175 
  - Maybe you have a profound lack of information  Jakes Progress   Jun-17-11 01:38 AM   #130 
  - Bwahahahaha! Yes, let's limit the citizenry's rights to redress, shall we? There but for the Grace  WinkyDink   Jun-17-11 06:14 AM   #136 
  - How many people have you known during your lifetime who successfully sued a doctor?  NNN0LHI   Jun-17-11 06:16 AM   #138 
  - The corporate right wing  Enthusiast   Jun-17-11 06:21 AM   #139 
  - Providers order expensive tests just to keep lawyers at bay.  ileus   Jun-17-11 07:32 AM   #149 
  - And your Source for this statement is?  StevesRedLens   Jun-17-11 08:03 AM   #156 
  - Our biggest issue with healthcare costs are greedy Insurance companies.  Marrah_G   Jun-17-11 07:41 AM   #152 
  - Maybe we should lift the yoke of socialism from the necks of the productive classes  QC   Jun-17-11 07:48 AM   #154 
  - No,our BIGGEST health care cost problem is that millionaires need more tax cuts.  eShirl   Jun-17-11 08:10 AM   #159 
  - OMC!!!!  RandiFan1290   Jun-17-11 08:24 AM   #162 
  - ---  Bluebear   Jun-18-11 05:04 AM   #177 
  - Why hasn't this thread, brimming with right wing talking points been locked?  devilgrrl   Jun-17-11 08:32 AM   #163 
  - rofl.... uh yeah...  dionysus   Jun-17-11 11:19 AM   #166 
  - No. The biggest problem is the non mosque not at ground zero followed by DU's "hatred" of  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jun-17-11 03:50 PM   #170 
  - Because socialist Europe has it and we don't want to be like them.  ItNerd4life   Jun-17-11 04:27 PM   #172 
  - WE HAVE MEDICAL TORT REFORM IN TEXAS.  Ilsa   Jun-17-11 04:32 PM   #173 
  - Because attorneys have very powerful lobbyists working for them.  Thaddeus Kosciuszko   Jun-18-11 07:32 AM   #179 
  - That Is Just Too Cute For Words, Sir....  The Magistrate   Jun-18-11 11:50 AM   #180 
  - Insurance companies and doctors do too  treestar   Jun-18-11 11:53 AM   #182 
  - Right. Because doctors' salaries are used for patient health-care.  WinkyDink   Jun-20-11 06:53 AM   #186 
  - It closes the courthouse door to poorer people  treestar   Jun-18-11 11:52 AM   #181 
     - This is the entire point of "tort reform." Notice the wealthy always "lawyer up" when they want.  WinkyDink   Jun-20-11 06:54 AM   #187 

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