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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:29 PM
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72. Yes. I think people have tantrums when Atheists proclaim their Atheism openly.
They also enter their ideas into things like scientific debates, then engage in a lot of 'special pleading' for their ideas, like the idea that "God made everything" is so intrinsically truth-containing that it, unlike other assertions made in a scientific context or debate, doesn't need actual evidence to back it up.

THEN I see- particularly on DU- a lot of doubletalk around this particular area: One, we are constantly hectored and reminded not to conflate fundamentalist, right-wing Christians with "all Christians" or (my favorite) "Real" Christians (who are hanging out next to the True Scotsmen, no doubt) ...right? So, Fundy Christians aren't ALL Christians and they aren't the Christians on DU. Right? Good? Okay, keep following... so THEN, invariably, when a thread comes out criticizing or even (oh no!) ridiculing fundy, right-wing christians or their ludicrous beliefs (witness the 'rapture' we recently had) immediately a gang of DU Christians protests that they are personally being picked on, personally being mocked, and again, you get special pleading about how no matter how ridiculous a belief is -like the rapture happening a few weeks ago- it must not be mocked or even critically analyzed, lest DU be engaged in 'religion bashing'.

You can't have it both ways.
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  -There Are 10 Times As Many Atheists as Mormons: When Will Non-Believers Become a Political Force? Donnachaidh  Jun-15-11 11:05 AM   #0 
  - Atheists need to attack a particular religious group  Bragi   Jun-15-11 11:10 AM   #1 
  - What do Atheists AGREE ON (besides 'there's no God')?  brooklynite   Jun-15-11 11:12 AM   #2 
  - Nonsense....  Bigmack   Jun-15-11 11:20 AM   #7 
  - Well put. The previuos attack on atheists is precisely  ChairmanAgnostic   Jun-15-11 11:25 AM   #10 
  - "...would lead them to paganism and Satan worship."  Wait Wut   Jun-16-11 02:04 PM   #60 
     - I hear you. and you are correct. some, not all.  ChairmanAgnostic   Jun-16-11 02:34 PM   #74 
  - Warren Buffett?! The Beast of Omaha?  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 11:45 AM   #17 
  - I'd actually like to have an atheist knock on my door and offer to discuss humanism  Donnachaidh   Jun-15-11 12:00 PM   #23 
  - Hi, I'm an atheist and I'd like to talk to you about nothing  nichomachus   Jun-15-11 12:10 PM   #27 
  - Have you heard the good news? There is no god!  Blue-Jay   Jun-15-11 12:22 PM   #33 
  - I'm willing to bet that "humanism" has a lot of different definitions...  brooklynite   Jun-15-11 12:03 PM   #25 
     - You are SO right!! I have an acquaintance who is an ultra extreme libertarian atheist.  BoWanZi   Jun-15-11 12:17 PM   #31 
     - Your friend is Ayn Rand reincarnated  Canuckistanian   Jun-16-11 02:09 PM   #63 
     - Replace "Atheist" with "Christian" in your post. You won't have to change any other words.  jeff47   Jun-15-11 12:34 PM   #36 
     - Humanism doesn't really have very many definitions.  JoeyT   Jun-15-11 07:14 PM   #46 
  - They agree that religion is not a good basis for public policy.  immoderate   Jun-15-11 11:24 AM   #9 
  - "Show me the evidence" is a principle from which a lot more than that can be built.  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 11:47 AM   #19 
  - Why do atheists need a "leader"?  Blue-Jay   Jun-15-11 12:20 PM   #32 
  - Who "leads" the Mormons?  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 02:13 PM   #67 
  - Not likely they/will, as not organized, prolly less organized than Dems, imo.  elleng   Jun-15-11 11:15 AM   #3 
  - Herding cats is easier  Brother Buzz   Jun-15-11 11:16 AM   #4 
  - When atheism serves the billionaire class better than religion, it'll become a political force. n/t  ReadTomPaine   Jun-15-11 11:16 AM   #5 
  - When there are 10 times as many atheists than all Christians combined?  BoWanZi   Jun-15-11 11:20 AM   #6 
  - The mormons are known to fudge their membership numbers.  arbusto_baboso   Jun-15-11 11:37 AM   #15 
  - My wife had to write several letters to get herself removed from the rolls  WhollyHeretic   Jun-16-11 03:23 PM   #81 
  - There may be two billion atheists out there.  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 11:52 AM   #20 
     - Why Come Out?  Demeter   Jun-15-11 11:57 AM   #22 
     - I don't think that the 2 billion number works when there are only 300million or so US citizens  BoWanZi   Jun-15-11 12:11 PM   #29 
        - I don't think we can afford to pretend the world can be ignored any more.  JackRiddler   Jun-16-11 01:22 PM   #47 
  - When? Religion works by fear "if you don't believe you're going to hell"...  truebrit71   Jun-15-11 11:22 AM   #8 
  - When we stop being pegged as amoral  mainer   Jun-15-11 11:26 AM   #11 
  - Not by anybody I know  RZM   Jun-15-11 11:34 AM   #13 
  - I guess that depends on how you view atheism and its role in your life  RZM   Jun-15-11 11:31 AM   #12 
  - When there's a free press, so never. nt  valerief   Jun-15-11 11:35 AM   #14 
  - They need to start up some kind of atheist mega-church (nt)  Nye Bevan   Jun-15-11 11:42 AM   #16 
  - This was close enough, I think  RZM   Jun-15-11 11:46 AM   #18 
  - OH yes! Complete with an Atheist god. They could call him Todd.  BoWanZi   Jun-15-11 12:04 PM   #26 
  - I don't think that many atheists would see a need for a "mega church".  ladjf   Jun-15-11 12:37 PM   #38 
  - I don't know but I would like to be able to buy auto parts and beer on Sunday.  drpepper67   Jun-15-11 11:57 AM   #21 
  - Because nothing makes auto parts fit better than beer /nt  jberryhill   Jun-15-11 12:00 PM   #24 
  - Beer AND a hammer.  Blue-Jay   Jun-15-11 12:26 PM   #35 
  - Maybe beer nuts and beer, but auto parts hurt my teeth  nichomachus   Jun-15-11 12:10 PM   #28 
  - Yes, I would also like to buy alcohol on Sunday  RebelOne   Jun-16-11 01:44 PM   #54 
  - Atheists are singularly focused on their obsession with God  Dreamer Tatum   Jun-15-11 12:12 PM   #30 
  - Bullshit. I rarely even think about the non-existence of a god.  Blue-Jay   Jun-15-11 12:25 PM   #34 
  - Nor the non-existence of Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, or the Loch Ness monster.  FLPanhandle   Jun-15-11 12:46 PM   #44 
     - I do not believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny  RebelOne   Jun-16-11 01:47 PM   #55 
  - This is sarcasm, right? It has to be.  FLPanhandle   Jun-15-11 12:37 PM   #37 
  - And people who do not collect stamps can't be bothered to unite for political goals either..  Fumesucker   Jun-15-11 12:40 PM   #40 
  - Odd, I rarely see non-stamp-collectors  Union Scribe   Jun-16-11 02:05 PM   #61 
  - How did you arrive a such a ridiculous assumption about what  ladjf   Jun-15-11 12:41 PM   #41 
  - I agree.  drpepper67   Jun-15-11 12:44 PM   #43 
  - It was the tithing that drove me away from my Atheist meganonchurch  Warren DeMontague   Jun-16-11 01:34 PM   #52 
  - What a pantload.  Warren DeMontague   Jun-16-11 01:25 PM   #48 
  - That's like saying Jews are obsessed with Jesus.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-16-11 01:48 PM   #56 
  - Lol, they didn't like that, did they?  Union Scribe   Jun-16-11 02:02 PM   #59 
  - Atheists are funny, funny people. As thin-skinned as Led Zeppelin fans. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Jun-16-11 02:12 PM   #66 
  - The only way to learn about God is via the bible?  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 02:30 PM   #73 
     - No idea what you're talking about.  Union Scribe   Jun-16-11 02:39 PM   #77 
        - Seems like a dodge to me.  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 03:03 PM   #80 
  - Are you serious?  Arugula Latte   Jun-16-11 02:10 PM   #64 
  - You're totally clueless.  Lucian   Jun-16-11 02:20 PM   #70 
  - I became an athiest, BECAUSE I studied God.  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 02:28 PM   #71 
  - We are, dammit!  sofa king   Jun-15-11 12:38 PM   #39 
  - We have a SECULAR society.  WinkyDink   Jun-15-11 12:43 PM   #42 
  - I think the answer is "When cats can be herded" n/t  intaglio   Jun-15-11 02:26 PM   #45 
  - Hard to get people organized and motivated around a non-belief  WatsonT   Jun-16-11 01:27 PM   #49 
  - Because atheist/Agnostic are seen as devil worshipers.  ej510   Jun-16-11 01:30 PM   #50 
     - Maybe by some  WatsonT   Jun-16-11 01:36 PM   #53 
     - How can we atheists be classified as devil worshipers  RebelOne   Jun-16-11 01:49 PM   #57 
  - Hell, even on DU there's a crowd that throws a whiny fit any time we speak up.  Warren DeMontague   Jun-16-11 01:32 PM   #51 
  - Real talk.  ej510   Jun-16-11 01:51 PM   #58 
  - You really think that, don't you?  Union Scribe   Jun-16-11 02:09 PM   #62 
     - And does it bother you when the religious try ot convert the non-believers?  Arugula Latte   Jun-16-11 02:13 PM   #68 
     - Yeah, that's obnoxious.  Union Scribe   Jun-16-11 02:37 PM   #76 
     - Yes. I think people have tantrums when Atheists proclaim their Atheism openly.  Warren DeMontague   Jun-16-11 02:29 PM   #72 
     - Some percentage of "believers" takes a statement of "non-belief" as an attack.  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 02:35 PM   #75 
  - First things first, gotta get yourself a lobbying firm  justiceischeap   Jun-16-11 02:10 PM   #65 
  - Godless Heathens for Americans Prosperity!!! ... Who's with me???  JoePhilly   Jun-16-11 02:42 PM   #79 
  - According to my unscientific poll earlier this week...  Lucian   Jun-16-11 02:20 PM   #69 
  - Shouldn't Atheists organize first?  MrScorpio   Jun-16-11 02:42 PM   #78 
     - Organization is considered a weakness in this day and age  Harmony Blue   Jun-16-11 03:27 PM   #82 

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