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Fri Jun-10-11 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #36 |
| 63. Indeed, this is a very good point to bring up |
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That ultimately, transmission of STD's hinges on what level of responsibility is involved.
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| -Actor Russell Crowe rants against circumcision on Twitter |
bemildred |
Jun-10-11 10:23 AM |
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VenusRising |
Jun-10-11 10:24 AM |
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Correction: Actor Russell Crowe Raises Principled Critique of Male Genital Mutilation on Twitter |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:22 PM |
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good for him standing up for perfection of babies, otherwise, issue does not pertain to me. nt |
seabeyond |
Jun-10-11 10:25 AM |
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You have no skin in the game? n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-10-11 10:27 AM |
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lol. not this one. nt |
seabeyond |
Jun-10-11 10:29 AM |
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WTH? |
Macoy |
Jun-11-11 10:33 AM |
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Good for Him! |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 10:25 AM |
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"no need" - correct; unless parents don't want to do their jobs and |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 10:27 AM |
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I went through it and learned |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 10:32 AM |
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Having had several friends & relatives successfully raise uncirc'd boys |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-10-11 01:39 PM |
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And yet, vague references to "hygiene issues" always come up. |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 02:03 PM |
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I think it's because it's a practice in search of a justification, honestly. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-10-11 02:08 PM |
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There is no need to pierce a baby girl's ears either |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 10:31 AM |
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ears are visible to everyone and do NOT hurt as much when pierced |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 10:34 AM |
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I can't comment on how much ear piercing hurts |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 10:45 AM |
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because you are comparing genitalia to ears |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 11:01 AM |
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Same thing with not eating pork |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 11:16 AM |
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um... no where in my post did I say religious people |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 12:14 PM |
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I'm sure you are aware that Jews circumcise their children |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 12:27 PM |
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once again.... did I say religious people have to do anything? |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 12:46 PM |
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Maybe I'm confused on your position |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 12:58 PM |
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ahhh, I see now... oh hell no |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-11 01:24 PM |
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Actually, "Jews" do not circumcise their children. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:38 PM |
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Lower earlobes lack nerve endings. Piercing is not removal. Piercing is reversible. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 05:55 PM |
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True, there isn't. nt |
Deep13 |
Jun-10-11 10:49 AM |
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Piercing is not amputation. Lower ear lobes don't contain nerves. Piercing is reversible. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 05:58 PM |
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True, although I have not checked on whether or not lower ear lobes have nerves. |
Deep13 |
Jun-11-11 01:02 PM |
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Minimal, as you know. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-11-11 01:19 PM |
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I wasn't drawing the comparison. |
Deep13 |
Jun-11-11 08:42 PM |
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Many of us like our ears pierced and keep them |
Cleita |
Jun-10-11 01:38 PM |
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Ear piercing should also be a choice made by the person getting it done. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 03:53 PM |
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My ears were pierced as a baby because that's what |
Cleita |
Jun-10-11 05:06 PM |
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I think you should have the choice. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 05:19 PM |
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In my case there was no dress code. Other children |
Cleita |
Jun-10-11 07:30 PM |
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No, the holes don't close up. After not wearing earrings for 52 years, |
tblue37 |
Jun-11-11 12:29 AM |
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I don't believe that. Everyone I knew who hadn't worn |
Cleita |
Jun-11-11 10:25 AM |
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Unless we want to lower HIV transmission rates |
Recursion |
Jun-10-11 11:18 AM |
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I bet condom useage dwarfs that, though. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 11:33 AM |
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Unfortunately penis use dwarfs condom use |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 11:43 AM |
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Hard to feel sympathy then. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 12:17 PM |
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I certainly agree for those in societies like ours |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 01:02 PM |
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Yeah and in those same countries |
laundry_queen |
Jun-10-11 01:43 PM |
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Not a matter of sympathy for an individual. HIV infection is a public health issue. |
yellowcanine |
Jun-10-11 01:36 PM |
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On STDs and sympathy. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 01:43 PM |
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No you miss the point. It is a public health issue. When individuals get stds it is bad for |
yellowcanine |
Jun-10-11 01:49 PM |
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There is no doubt it is bad for society in general. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 01:59 PM |
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And people are infected through non-consensual sex |
Recursion |
Jun-10-11 02:28 PM |
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Transmissibility |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 03:37 PM |
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A male who has not been infected cannot spread the virus (nt) |
Recursion |
Jun-11-11 12:15 AM |
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I don't reserve my sympathy for only those who do everything right... would be a short list. |
personman |
Jun-10-11 01:51 PM |
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I'm very sympathetic to people who contract aids via a failed condom. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 02:02 PM |
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Condoms aside... Sometimes people do stupid shit. |
personman |
Jun-10-11 02:45 PM |
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Yes they do. Hard to feel sorry for willful stupidity though. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 02:56 PM |
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At least you say "hard to feel sympathy" rather than "feel no sympathy" |
personman |
Jun-10-11 04:14 PM |
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On deserving. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 04:35 PM |
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Guess what? Abstinence works even better than condoms. |
Recursion |
Jun-10-11 02:29 PM |
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It does indeed. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 03:47 PM |
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I'm sure no one wopuld want to stop you from removing your OWN foreskin, as an adult |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-10-11 01:40 PM |
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This is propaganda, based on embarrassingly unscientific studies. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:30 PM |
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Russell Crowe is Mel Gibson lite. nt |
onehandle |
Jun-10-11 10:25 AM |
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lol |
quinnox |
Jun-10-11 10:29 AM |
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I agree that it is barbaric, but not that it's stupid. It's genital mutilation. |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 10:26 AM |
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Babies are perfect... |
trumad |
Jun-10-11 10:26 AM |
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So did anyone see what he said about |
pipi_k |
Jun-10-11 10:27 AM |
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Yet female circumcision is reason to be "Up in Arms" |
FreakinDJ |
Jun-10-11 10:42 AM |
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Ok I thought about it |
RZM |
Jun-10-11 10:47 AM |
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So why do women "Elect" to have "Clitoral Plastic Surgury" |
FreakinDJ |
Jun-10-11 11:03 AM |
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While peps can argue the finer points of plas.surg., surgery isn't meant to make... |
DRoseDARs |
Jun-10-11 02:44 PM |
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There's really no comparison. |
Deep13 |
Jun-10-11 10:48 AM |
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Male circumcision (genital mutilation) does damage. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:35 PM |
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I don't disagree with his conclusion... |
Deep13 |
Jun-10-11 10:45 AM |
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Yeah, but where does he stand on pierced ears? |
Iggo |
Jun-10-11 10:52 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-10-11 11:03 AM |
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Who is Russell Crowe? Does he have any training on public health issues? Why care what he thinks? |
struggle4progress |
Jun-10-11 11:04 AM |
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Male circumcision substantially reduces HIV transmission rates |
Recursion |
Jun-10-11 11:17 AM |
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See my post right below yours! Yes, it is a big decline in risk., for other STDs too. |
anneboleyn |
Jun-10-11 11:33 AM |
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So does comprehensive sex education. |
Kitsune |
Jun-10-11 11:44 AM |
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So does condoms. |
Lucian |
Jun-10-11 01:28 PM |
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Hey, abstinence works even better than condoms! |
Recursion |
Jun-10-11 02:27 PM |
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So an irreversible removal of a body part is the same as handing out condoms? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 05:51 PM |
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you could reduce rates even more by removing the whole thing |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-10-11 01:42 PM |
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Studies have shown that being cut reduces a man's chance of catching STDs, like HIV. I personally |
anneboleyn |
Jun-10-11 11:31 AM |
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I don't really understand why |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 12:27 PM |
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It doesn't have anything to do with the issue at large. I was just talking about myself |
anneboleyn |
Jun-10-11 03:44 PM |
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Okay, I see your point; I don't agree, however. I think we'll just have to ATD. |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 04:13 PM |
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Yeah, condoms do the same thing. |
Lucian |
Jun-10-11 01:30 PM |
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my german husband's penis does not look like a |
Amaya |
Jun-10-11 01:41 PM |
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Ew, sorry, women like that...yuck. |
krabigirl |
Jun-10-11 03:52 PM |
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I agree about the appearance issue. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 04:47 PM |
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Whats there to get excited about |
Hutzpa |
Jun-10-11 11:35 AM |
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We did not circumcise our son. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jun-10-11 11:42 AM |
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+1. If it's that important, let the boy/man decide when he's able. |
Ignis |
Jun-10-11 12:27 PM |
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ouch |
B Calm |
Jun-11-11 05:54 AM |
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Most European men are not cut. Do they have higher HIV rates? |
mainer |
Jun-10-11 11:46 AM |
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+1 |
closeupready |
Jun-10-11 12:30 PM |
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Indeed, this is a very good point to bring up |
Harmony Blue |
Jun-10-11 01:41 PM |
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Not just HIV, other stds also. Education is fine but it often doesn't work. |
yellowcanine |
Jun-10-11 01:43 PM |
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I guess 'ol turnip-dick is entitled to his opinion. |
Blue-Jay |
Jun-10-11 11:46 AM |
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Actor opinion = 0 |
ileus |
Jun-10-11 12:17 PM |
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Ad hominem attack = 0. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 06:14 PM |
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Is this the Russell Crowe who throws phones at hotel staff? |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Jun-10-11 12:24 PM |
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So someone makes a big noise about Gawd's Perfection |
Codeine |
Jun-10-11 01:06 PM |
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This just in: Slow news day GD nt |
WolverineDG |
Jun-10-11 01:26 PM |
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What do you mean? It's all wiener all the time. |
Paulie |
Jun-11-11 09:52 AM |
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I think uncut ones look better anyways. |
Lucian |
Jun-10-11 01:30 PM |
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And good for you but how it looks to someone isn't a reason either way, right? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:43 PM |
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I have to admit, I'm not that thrilled about circumcision on Twitter, either. |
mikeytherat |
Jun-10-11 01:31 PM |
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I love him as an actor. |
Forkboy |
Jun-10-11 01:31 PM |
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Obviously Russell Crowe has never spent much time in a neonatal icu. |
yellowcanine |
Jun-10-11 01:34 PM |
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This subject aside, doctors "correct God" every day. |
WinkyDink |
Jun-10-11 01:37 PM |
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Yes, see my reference above to neonatal ICUs. |
yellowcanine |
Jun-10-11 01:45 PM |
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If that's supposed to be an objection, it's pretty rinky dink. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:19 PM |
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He's Australian |
laundry_queen |
Jun-10-11 01:47 PM |
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Yet ANOTHER Anthony Weiner thread! |
WinkyDink |
Jun-10-11 02:05 PM |
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Well, we now know for sure he's circumcised. |
rug |
Jun-10-11 03:22 PM |
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Hmmm... |
last_texas_dem |
Jun-10-11 02:12 PM |
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A 12 or 13 year old child CAN make such a choice--but a newborn baby cannot. |
tblue37 |
Jun-11-11 12:35 AM |
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Not exactly... |
last_texas_dem |
Jun-11-11 08:50 PM |
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good for him. I agree. |
Whisp |
Jun-10-11 03:21 PM |
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The only 2 guys that I know who admitted to not being |
zalinda |
Jun-10-11 03:37 PM |
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This is not a sample of anything other than two stories you heard, zalinda. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 03:42 PM |
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It just so happens that there are many women |
zalinda |
Jun-10-11 04:42 PM |
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Do note that your example with breast surgery is of adults who choose the preventive procedure. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 04:51 PM |
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My husband's uncut father dealt with odor problems and infections according to his mother |
anneboleyn |
Jun-10-11 03:49 PM |
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I guess you don't realize that much of the rest of the world are uncut and are fine. |
krabigirl |
Jun-10-11 03:50 PM |
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Yep. I've known three (who admitted it) and ALL of them |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 04:48 PM |
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So you're saying not being mutilated should be a source of shame? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 05:16 PM |
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No. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 07:27 PM |
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Love anecdotes |
laundry_queen |
Jun-10-11 08:19 PM |
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It mattered to these guys. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-11-11 07:03 AM |
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Good for him. To each their own but I think it is barbaric. We didn't circa our son. |
krabigirl |
Jun-10-11 03:52 PM |
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He should look into the health benefits. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 04:45 PM |
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Yeah, two billion men are "extremely angry" about not being circumcised. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 05:18 PM |
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I didn't say all. I said the outspoken ones. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 07:25 PM |
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Who the hell else would be talking about it? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 07:31 PM |
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Again, I'm talking about my experience. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 07:33 PM |
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This is not about any one person's "experience," and you need to realize that. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 07:40 PM |
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Sure it is. You know that. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-10-11 07:45 PM |
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A good topic in a psychological course... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-10-11 11:36 PM |
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It seems so shallow somehow, like only wanting women with big tits. nt |
bemildred |
Jun-11-11 12:03 AM |
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Not really like that at all. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-11-11 07:05 AM |
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I doubt it's a minority. |
itsallhappening |
Jun-11-11 07:01 AM |
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the world, Majority of men uncircumcised in. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-11-11 09:10 AM |
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How are women conditioned to prefer one over the other? |
itsallhappening |
Jun-11-11 03:30 PM |
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Because most of us aren't angry. |
JoeyT |
Jun-11-11 05:43 AM |
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Thank you! |
itsallhappening |
Jun-11-11 06:59 AM |
#139 |
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Well you'll never know for sure (if I've understood you correctly). |
JackRiddler |
Jun-11-11 09:14 AM |
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Thanks for the tip Russell |
Stevenmarc |
Jun-10-11 04:46 PM |
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this thread is useless without Twitter pics |
Enrique |
Jun-10-11 05:08 PM |
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K. nt |
bemildred |
Jun-10-11 11:37 PM |
#130 |
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Jesus, what is this, National Penis Week? |
nolabear |
Jun-10-11 11:58 PM |
#131 |
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When, in God's name, will it be National Vagina Week is what I wanna know! |
Poll_Blind |
Jun-11-11 12:37 AM |
#136 |
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Didn't he end up apologizing for it? |
queenjaneapprox |
Jun-11-11 10:32 AM |
#147 |
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No one can say anything anymore... |
Darth_Kitten |
Jun-11-11 01:09 PM |
#150 |
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