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112. And this delayed undeclared war for wealthy resources has to cease.
We can't kick their butts after 9 years? Oh yeah, the war machine can't get rich with a quick win, I forgot.
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  -President Obama: No Whistleblowing on My Watch Better Believe It  Jan-06-11 12:03 PM   #0 
  - Once again: What would we ALL be saying if it was Bush doing this?  FiveGoodMen   Jan-06-11 12:20 PM   #1 
  - That he has a lot to hide and will be held accountable for it when it gets  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-06-11 12:41 PM   #9 
  - The same damn thing I am saying when Obama does it. This is  jwirr   Jan-06-11 01:00 PM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-11 01:28 PM   #35 
  - We should realize that the govt. is fascist  molly77   Jan-06-11 05:03 PM   #49 
  - Molly has it, corporate Fascist serving the corporate interest  sarcasmo   Jan-06-11 08:16 PM   #91 
  - it goes back further than 2000...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-06-11 08:48 PM   #101 
  - That is one of the differences  dotymed   Jan-07-11 06:06 AM   #130 
  - Why would we be saying anything different? Wrong is wrong, no matter whether the guy doing it  1monster   Jan-06-11 06:59 PM   #73 
  - "based only on party affiliation"...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-06-11 08:50 PM   #104 
     - New Democrat? I was a Bobby Kennedy supporter when I was twelve. BUT, I am not a Democrats-are-  1monster   Jan-06-11 10:56 PM   #115 
        - I hoped my smiley face...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-06-11 11:25 PM   #116 
        - Okay. I understand, but suggest you use the :sarcasm: gif so I get it next time...  1monster   Jan-07-11 01:27 PM   #166 
        - Very well said...the only thing I'd add to that  Raksha   Jan-07-11 01:42 AM   #123 
        - Agreed.  1monster   Jan-07-11 01:28 PM   #167 
        - self delete-  awoke_in_2003   Jan-07-11 10:36 AM   #154 
  - you know the answer to that...  awoke_in_2003   Jan-06-11 08:46 PM   #100 
  - The core problem is, Bush and Obama are behaving the same.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-07-11 11:52 AM   #161 
  - "It's 13 dimensional chess hope and change to bring transparency" or something like that.  Edweird   Jan-06-11 12:21 PM   #2 
  - LOL  FourScore   Jan-06-11 09:26 PM   #111 
  - Nice...  muffin1   Jan-06-11 12:24 PM   #3 
  - He should totally use this defense at his court-martial.....  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 12:30 PM   #4 
  - Details, details...  SidDithers   Jan-06-11 12:35 PM   #5 
  - I know--how dare I actually point out that Manning had recourse--  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 12:56 PM   #13 
     - Except he didn't really.  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 01:02 PM   #24 
     - Yes--he did have legal recourse. He chose to eschew it.  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 01:16 PM   #31 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-11 01:23 PM   #34 
        - What are those procedures?  cleanhippie   Jan-06-11 05:55 PM   #62 
        - The point is that this alleged whistle blower got the truth out  hulka38   Jan-06-11 09:06 PM   #109 
        - No, he didn't. He reported the war crimes he witnessed to his superiors.  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 11:08 AM   #157 
     - You need to practice what you teach. If Manning is the one who handed over the  1monster   Jan-06-11 07:02 PM   #74 
     - Details, details...  Raster   Jan-06-11 11:28 PM   #117 
     - except...  druidity33   Jan-06-11 08:22 PM   #92 
     - The book deal occured in December.  go west young man   Jan-06-11 08:49 PM   #103 
     - Manning can see into the future?  atreides1   Jan-07-11 08:56 AM   #153 
     - Well, if you had brought up facts it would be fine. Manning  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 11:04 AM   #156 
  - What does Assange's book deal have to do with anything?  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 12:40 PM   #8 
  - As a private, (because of demotion, post-assaulting another soldier) he had recourse  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 12:54 PM   #12 
  - You didn't answer my first question, just added more of the same that prompted my question in the  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 12:58 PM   #16 
  - I did answer your question. Pvt Manning had legal recourse that he chose  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 01:11 PM   #29 
  - He did choose extra-legal means, which is generally what a "whistleblower" does.  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 01:15 PM   #30 
  - Right. Just like Daniel Elsberg did. Does the military justice system permit a GI  Better Believe It   Jan-06-11 05:49 PM   #57 
  - Ho can you be so absolutely certain about everything?  Bragi   Jan-06-11 07:52 PM   #82 
  - Would you be defending the government's actions  Jakes Progress   Jan-06-11 08:04 PM   #86 
  - You certainly have chosen the right handle for yourself.  go west young man   Jan-06-11 08:53 PM   #105 
  - I'm thinking that too.  midnight   Jan-06-11 05:44 PM   #56 
  - "I hope Wikileaks gets around to donating to his defense fund" Really? Have you donated or ....  Better Believe It   Jan-06-11 05:51 PM   #59 
  - While he most likely deserves...  Cid_B   Jan-06-11 06:40 PM   #68 
     - Why is anyone here opposed to exposing lies?  Bragi   Jan-07-11 07:40 AM   #138 
     - It's the classic "My Country: Extreme Right and Wrong"  KansDem   Jan-07-11 12:32 PM   #163 
     - He witnessed war crimes and reported them to his superiors.  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 11:58 AM   #162 
  - He did report the crimes to his chain of command.  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 11:12 AM   #159 
  - "he had recourse through his chain of command"  newspeak   Jan-07-11 11:25 AM   #160 
     - See my posts above, he did report the crimes, he was, as you  sabrina 1   Jan-07-11 12:52 PM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-11 01:05 PM   #26 
  - If Manning released the troops helicopter video do you think he should be shot for treason?  Better Believe It   Jan-06-11 12:57 PM   #14 
  - I think he should face court-martial for his actions, with charges and  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 01:09 PM   #28 
  - And if the JAG decides that Manning should be executed for "treason" you'd have no problem with that  Better Believe It   Jan-06-11 05:53 PM   #61 
  - And what penalties does our Government get then for their illegal actions?  glinda   Jan-06-11 08:41 PM   #97 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-11 09:20 PM   #110 
  - And why wouldn't your FIRST consideration be to deal with the war crimes exposed in that video?  defendandprotect   Jan-07-11 06:37 AM   #134 
  - He isn't being charged with treason.  Statistical   Jan-07-11 08:19 AM   #147 
  - Um, he didn't hand the material over to a guy with a book deal. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-06-11 12:58 PM   #15 
  - And even if he did, it's completely irrelevant.  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 12:59 PM   #17 
     - Yep. It's not an argument, it's just a smear. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-06-11 01:00 PM   #19 
        - Pretty much. And I have yet to get an answer as to why people think it constitutes an argument. n/t  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 01:03 PM   #25 
  - Manning was and is an immature KID.  Mimosa   Jan-06-11 01:01 PM   #21 
  - I think that's a very interesting point....  msanthrope   Jan-06-11 01:20 PM   #32 
  - Why do you hate him? Do you wish the helicopter video had never come to light? (nt)  whatchamacallit   Jan-06-11 04:44 PM   #47 
  - Would someone more "mature" NOT have taken action to correct illegal behavior?  cleanhippie   Jan-06-11 05:57 PM   #63 
  - No they would not have.  panzerfaust   Jan-06-11 06:58 PM   #72 
     - No, that is not even close.  cleanhippie   Jan-06-11 09:56 PM   #114 
     - A younger person tends to be idealistic and less likely to 'look out for himself'  Mimosa   Jan-07-11 12:20 AM   #120 
  - I understand that hundreds of people had access to the same information.  glinda   Jan-06-11 08:42 PM   #98 
  - Perhaps he's not as trusting of the Establishment ...  GeorgeGist   Jan-06-11 03:51 PM   #36 
  - WTF does that have to do with anything?  whatchamacallit   Jan-06-11 04:40 PM   #45 
  - First of all the book deal was made after the handing of the docs.  walldude   Jan-06-11 05:28 PM   #53 
  - What, you don't have a direct line into the World Court?  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 05:59 PM   #64 
  - Walldude, you sound like somebody who's been following the game since Vietnam.  Mimosa   Jan-07-11 12:24 AM   #121 
  - He should use 100,000 dead Iraqi's for a war-for-profit as his defense, as well as  grahamhgreen   Jan-06-11 07:46 PM   #80 
  - Assange did not have a book deal when Manning provided  JDPriestly   Jan-06-11 07:56 PM   #83 
  - he hasn't been indicted  Vattel   Jan-06-11 07:57 PM   #84 
  - There is a difference between being  obxhead   Jan-06-11 11:54 PM   #119 
  - He can also explain how/why he ended up releasing hundreds of thousands of unrelated docs. n/t  Statistical   Jan-07-11 08:16 AM   #145 
  - Is the video of the helicopter attack the only thing Manning is alleged to have leaked?...  SidDithers   Jan-06-11 12:37 PM   #6 
  - Allegedly  jberryhill   Jan-06-11 12:43 PM   #10 
  - Which have also yielded illegal activity even in the small number  EFerrari   Jan-06-11 01:02 PM   #23 
  - But that's the shotgun approach...  SidDithers   Jan-06-11 04:03 PM   #37 
     - He needed help sifting...  druidity33   Jan-06-11 08:34 PM   #96 
  - You really want his ass  whatchamacallit   Jan-06-11 04:45 PM   #48 
     - Truthfully, I couldn't care less about Manning...  SidDithers   Jan-07-11 12:38 AM   #122 
  - Obama just made himself "the Man."  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-06-11 12:39 PM   #7 
  - What it reveals about his thinking is not in agreement with my values.  glinda   Jan-06-11 08:45 PM   #99 
  - Well, "Transparency" made a real nice campaign "change" and "hope".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-06-11 12:47 PM   #11 
  - And my personal favorite "restoring the rule of law"  dflprincess   Jan-06-11 08:32 PM   #93 
     - Unfortunately, my cynicism about Obama has been validated  deutsey   Jan-07-11 07:24 AM   #136 
  - "America's ongoing war on everything" . . . . .  Stinky The Clown   Jan-06-11 01:00 PM   #20 
  - It's War Theater. The purpose isn't actually to wage war,  EFerrari   Jan-06-11 01:07 PM   #27 
     - Fool, Traitor, Heretic!  The Green Manalishi   Jan-07-11 08:53 AM   #151 
  - This is unconscionable. Rec'd with sadness. n/t  Catherina   Jan-06-11 01:01 PM   #22 
  - I remember seeing that video a long time ago. Years ago. On the tv news  lunatica   Jan-06-11 01:22 PM   #33 
  - Bradley is as much a hero as Cheney is.  Ikonoklast   Jan-06-11 04:16 PM   #38 
  - Really? What was the purely political motive behind the wikileaks release? n/t  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 04:17 PM   #39 
  - Ask Manning.  Ikonoklast   Jan-06-11 04:29 PM   #43 
     - So why did you state that they were similar as if you know for a fact that was the case? n/t  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 04:36 PM   #44 
     - How 'bout a good old murder coverup?  whatchamacallit   Jan-06-11 05:15 PM   #50 
  - Outing a CIA agent who stands in the way of your war based on lies..  girl gone mad   Jan-06-11 04:24 PM   #40 
  - Do all 250,000 cables contain evidence of mass crime and corruption?...nt  SidDithers   Jan-06-11 04:26 PM   #41 
  - You don't know?  walldude   Jan-06-11 05:32 PM   #54 
  - I liked you because I felt you appreciated dark humor and satire when you saw it.  Forkboy   Jan-06-11 07:08 PM   #76 
  - Did every single page of the Pentagon Papers contain the same?  girl gone mad   Jan-06-11 08:06 PM   #88 
  - But the laws broken are the same. Your opinion of the motives matters not.  Ikonoklast   Jan-06-11 04:28 PM   #42 
  - So is someone who steals bread to feed his family the same as a guy who shoplifts it even though he  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 04:42 PM   #46 
  - Bradley is as big a criminal as Cheney.  AlbertCat   Jan-06-11 05:53 PM   #60 
     - dumb da dumb dumb  anamandujano   Jan-06-11 06:51 PM   #70 
  - True.....  midnight   Jan-06-11 06:35 PM   #67 
  - They're the same people.... Well, except for motive, intent, results, and the fact that one was a  20score   Jan-06-11 08:33 PM   #94 
  - Many words in your message do not mean what you think they do, "hero" and "same" among them.  liberation   Jan-07-11 03:35 AM   #125 
  - IF Pfc Manning reported this to a military official, then he should be ok. If he gave it to  ncteechur   Jan-06-11 05:22 PM   #51 
  - IF Pfc Manning reported this to a military official, then he acted legally.  superduperfarleft   Jan-06-11 05:24 PM   #52 
  - "pfc. manning is not a private citizen and must follow military protocol." Not in this case!  Better Believe It   Jan-06-11 09:01 PM   #108 
  - No Whistleblowing on My Watch  AlbertCat   Jan-06-11 05:40 PM   #55 
  - I can't imagine being proud of that statement he made. It tells a lot.  glinda   Jan-06-11 08:48 PM   #102 
  - His fans should hope his lawyers come up with something better than this  treestar   Jan-06-11 05:49 PM   #58 
  - Do you have any opinions not twisted around support for the president?  whatchamacallit   Jan-06-11 06:02 PM   #66 
  - Wait a second! There is Whistleblower Protection for all federally financed projects!  JanMichael   Jan-06-11 06:02 PM   #65 
  - Better Believe it, you shuld be commended for continuuing to speak  truth2power   Jan-06-11 06:49 PM   #69 
  - +++ I'll second that  Agony   Jan-06-11 07:07 PM   #75 
  - You said it.  Bluebear   Jan-08-11 07:51 AM   #170 
  - K&R - Memo to all haters:  theaocp   Jan-06-11 06:55 PM   #71 
  - not all of the information has been released  newspeak   Jan-06-11 07:20 PM   #77 
  - He's not a whistleblower, it was a crime  Still a Democrat   Jan-06-11 07:29 PM   #78 
  - ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS, together, serve to show a pattern and practice of criminal behavior.  grahamhgreen   Jan-06-11 07:47 PM   #81 
  - And you know each document was necessary? How? n/t  Still a Democrat   Jan-07-11 07:41 AM   #139 
     - Just like any criminal investigation, some evidence will be thrown out.  grahamhgreen   Jan-07-11 09:50 PM   #168 
  - Are you summarizing or mocking the losing position here? /nt  Bragi   Jan-06-11 07:58 PM   #85 
     - Nope. Just joining in the mindlessness.  Jakes Progress   Jan-06-11 08:06 PM   #87 
     - Disagree with anything in my post? n/t  Still a Democrat   Jan-07-11 07:40 AM   #137 
        - Yes, I disagree with you.  Bragi   Jan-07-11 08:01 AM   #143 
           - Okay  Still a Democrat   Jan-07-11 08:45 AM   #149 
              - Fair enough. I don't agree.  Bragi   Jan-07-11 08:51 AM   #150 
  - I'd go along with Manning as Whistleblower IF he had read all 250,000+ documents he turned over to  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-06-11 07:41 PM   #79 
  - It would have taken him years..  girl gone mad   Jan-06-11 08:10 PM   #90 
  - Yep, and...  Bragi   Jan-07-11 07:52 AM   #141 
  - Don't know how whistle blowing works, do you?  Jakes Progress   Jan-07-11 05:51 AM   #128 
  - Manning is a true hero, unlike the cowards who excuse the crimes.  Zhade   Jan-06-11 08:07 PM   #89 
  - I am done with him now.  kgnu_fan   Jan-06-11 08:34 PM   #95 
  - The UCMJ, the Constitution, the laws of the states and the nation,  bertman   Jan-06-11 08:54 PM   #106 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Jan-06-11 08:57 PM   #107 
  - And this delayed undeclared war for wealthy resources has to cease.  RedCloud   Jan-06-11 09:28 PM   #112 
  - Legal Question: Has he been indicted?  Smarmie Doofus   Jan-06-11 09:33 PM   #113 
  - The military doesn't have a legal process called an indictment  Crabby Appleton   Jan-06-11 11:48 PM   #118 
  - If I was in Manning's spot, I would've disclosed the government breaking International Law.  Lucian   Jan-07-11 02:27 AM   #124 
  - So Bush like........absolutely sickening  BlueJac   Jan-07-11 04:21 AM   #126 
  - The power of the corporate/military  Enthusiast   Jan-07-11 04:39 AM   #127 
  - manning is not a whistler blower. he was not going after anything specific. he was fishing  seabeyond   Jan-07-11 05:56 AM   #129 
  - And if he'd been highly selective in what he released?  Bragi   Jan-07-11 07:45 AM   #140 
     - if manning saw a crime (not gossip) and tried to get crime addressed and was ignored  seabeyond   Jan-07-11 08:13 AM   #144 
        - No, it's isn't "plain and simple"  Bragi   Jan-07-11 08:18 AM   #146 
           - oh wait, i get it. your plain and simple is plain and simple where as  seabeyond   Jan-07-11 08:19 AM   #148 
  - Where is the quote that was implied in the title?  VeryConfused   Jan-07-11 06:32 AM   #131 
  - War crimes were being committed and covered up ... let's deal wih that reality!!  defendandprotect   Jan-07-11 06:34 AM   #132 
  - That would be too messy and friendships would be damaged.  russspeakeasy   Jan-07-11 11:10 AM   #158 
  - K & R n/t  Le Taz Hot   Jan-07-11 06:35 AM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-07-11 06:42 AM   #135 
  - The article is incorrect. Manning has been charged:  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-07-11 08:00 AM   #142 
  - Whistle blowing needs to be protected. nt  ZombieHorde   Jan-07-11 08:56 AM   #152 
  - Yet when he was running for office he declared whistleblowers would be protected...  ProfessionalLeftist   Jan-07-11 10:45 AM   #155 
  - No one should be surprised by this president's response.  BlueIris   Jan-07-11 12:56 PM   #165 
  - Obushma does it again. I sure Obama could get the guy out of solitary if he wanted too.  pam4water   Jan-08-11 02:14 AM   #169 

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