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Thu Jan-06-11 12:35 PM
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why are you bringing actual facts into the discussion? Don't you know that it's only emotion that's needed here?
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| -President Obama: No Whistleblowing on My Watch |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 12:03 PM |
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Once again: What would we ALL be saying if it was Bush doing this? |
FiveGoodMen |
Jan-06-11 12:20 PM |
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That he has a lot to hide and will be held accountable for it when it gets |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-06-11 12:41 PM |
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The same damn thing I am saying when Obama does it. This is |
jwirr |
Jan-06-11 01:00 PM |
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Jan-06-11 01:28 PM |
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We should realize that the govt. is fascist |
molly77 |
Jan-06-11 05:03 PM |
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Molly has it, corporate Fascist serving the corporate interest |
sarcasmo |
Jan-06-11 08:16 PM |
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it goes back further than 2000... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jan-06-11 08:48 PM |
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That is one of the differences |
dotymed |
Jan-07-11 06:06 AM |
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Why would we be saying anything different? Wrong is wrong, no matter whether the guy doing it |
1monster |
Jan-06-11 06:59 PM |
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"based only on party affiliation"... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jan-06-11 08:50 PM |
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New Democrat? I was a Bobby Kennedy supporter when I was twelve. BUT, I am not a Democrats-are- |
1monster |
Jan-06-11 10:56 PM |
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I hoped my smiley face... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jan-06-11 11:25 PM |
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Okay. I understand, but suggest you use the :sarcasm: gif so I get it next time... |
1monster |
Jan-07-11 01:27 PM |
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Very well said...the only thing I'd add to that |
Raksha |
Jan-07-11 01:42 AM |
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Agreed. |
1monster |
Jan-07-11 01:28 PM |
#167 |
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self delete- |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jan-07-11 10:36 AM |
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you know the answer to that... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jan-06-11 08:46 PM |
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The core problem is, Bush and Obama are behaving the same. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-07-11 11:52 AM |
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"It's 13 dimensional chess hope and change to bring transparency" or something like that. |
Edweird |
Jan-06-11 12:21 PM |
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LOL |
FourScore |
Jan-06-11 09:26 PM |
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Nice... |
muffin1 |
Jan-06-11 12:24 PM |
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He should totally use this defense at his court-martial..... |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 12:30 PM |
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Details, details... |
SidDithers |
Jan-06-11 12:35 PM |
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I know--how dare I actually point out that Manning had recourse-- |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 12:56 PM |
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Except he didn't really. |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 01:02 PM |
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Yes--he did have legal recourse. He chose to eschew it. |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 01:16 PM |
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Jan-06-11 01:23 PM |
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What are those procedures? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-06-11 05:55 PM |
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The point is that this alleged whistle blower got the truth out |
hulka38 |
Jan-06-11 09:06 PM |
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No, he didn't. He reported the war crimes he witnessed to his superiors. |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-07-11 11:08 AM |
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You need to practice what you teach. If Manning is the one who handed over the |
1monster |
Jan-06-11 07:02 PM |
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Details, details... |
Raster |
Jan-06-11 11:28 PM |
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except... |
druidity33 |
Jan-06-11 08:22 PM |
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The book deal occured in December. |
go west young man |
Jan-06-11 08:49 PM |
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Manning can see into the future? |
atreides1 |
Jan-07-11 08:56 AM |
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Well, if you had brought up facts it would be fine. Manning |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-07-11 11:04 AM |
#156 |
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What does Assange's book deal have to do with anything? |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 12:40 PM |
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As a private, (because of demotion, post-assaulting another soldier) he had recourse |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 12:54 PM |
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You didn't answer my first question, just added more of the same that prompted my question in the |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 12:58 PM |
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I did answer your question. Pvt Manning had legal recourse that he chose |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 01:11 PM |
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He did choose extra-legal means, which is generally what a "whistleblower" does. |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 01:15 PM |
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Right. Just like Daniel Elsberg did. Does the military justice system permit a GI |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 05:49 PM |
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Ho can you be so absolutely certain about everything? |
Bragi |
Jan-06-11 07:52 PM |
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Would you be defending the government's actions |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-06-11 08:04 PM |
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You certainly have chosen the right handle for yourself. |
go west young man |
Jan-06-11 08:53 PM |
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I'm thinking that too. |
midnight |
Jan-06-11 05:44 PM |
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"I hope Wikileaks gets around to donating to his defense fund" Really? Have you donated or .... |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 05:51 PM |
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While he most likely deserves... |
Cid_B |
Jan-06-11 06:40 PM |
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Why is anyone here opposed to exposing lies? |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 07:40 AM |
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It's the classic "My Country: Extreme Right and Wrong" |
KansDem |
Jan-07-11 12:32 PM |
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He witnessed war crimes and reported them to his superiors. |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-07-11 11:58 AM |
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He did report the crimes to his chain of command. |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-07-11 11:12 AM |
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"he had recourse through his chain of command" |
newspeak |
Jan-07-11 11:25 AM |
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See my posts above, he did report the crimes, he was, as you |
sabrina 1 |
Jan-07-11 12:52 PM |
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Jan-06-11 01:05 PM |
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If Manning released the troops helicopter video do you think he should be shot for treason? |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 12:57 PM |
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I think he should face court-martial for his actions, with charges and |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 01:09 PM |
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And if the JAG decides that Manning should be executed for "treason" you'd have no problem with that |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 05:53 PM |
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And what penalties does our Government get then for their illegal actions? |
glinda |
Jan-06-11 08:41 PM |
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Jan-06-11 09:20 PM |
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And why wouldn't your FIRST consideration be to deal with the war crimes exposed in that video? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-07-11 06:37 AM |
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He isn't being charged with treason. |
Statistical |
Jan-07-11 08:19 AM |
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Um, he didn't hand the material over to a guy with a book deal. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-06-11 12:58 PM |
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And even if he did, it's completely irrelevant. |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 12:59 PM |
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Yep. It's not an argument, it's just a smear. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jan-06-11 01:00 PM |
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Pretty much. And I have yet to get an answer as to why people think it constitutes an argument. n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 01:03 PM |
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Manning was and is an immature KID. |
Mimosa |
Jan-06-11 01:01 PM |
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I think that's a very interesting point.... |
msanthrope |
Jan-06-11 01:20 PM |
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Why do you hate him? Do you wish the helicopter video had never come to light? (nt) |
whatchamacallit |
Jan-06-11 04:44 PM |
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Would someone more "mature" NOT have taken action to correct illegal behavior? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-06-11 05:57 PM |
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No they would not have. |
panzerfaust |
Jan-06-11 06:58 PM |
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No, that is not even close. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-06-11 09:56 PM |
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A younger person tends to be idealistic and less likely to 'look out for himself' |
Mimosa |
Jan-07-11 12:20 AM |
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I understand that hundreds of people had access to the same information. |
glinda |
Jan-06-11 08:42 PM |
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Perhaps he's not as trusting of the Establishment ... |
GeorgeGist |
Jan-06-11 03:51 PM |
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WTF does that have to do with anything? |
whatchamacallit |
Jan-06-11 04:40 PM |
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First of all the book deal was made after the handing of the docs. |
walldude |
Jan-06-11 05:28 PM |
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What, you don't have a direct line into the World Court? |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 05:59 PM |
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Walldude, you sound like somebody who's been following the game since Vietnam. |
Mimosa |
Jan-07-11 12:24 AM |
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He should use 100,000 dead Iraqi's for a war-for-profit as his defense, as well as |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-06-11 07:46 PM |
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Assange did not have a book deal when Manning provided |
JDPriestly |
Jan-06-11 07:56 PM |
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he hasn't been indicted |
Vattel |
Jan-06-11 07:57 PM |
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There is a difference between being |
obxhead |
Jan-06-11 11:54 PM |
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He can also explain how/why he ended up releasing hundreds of thousands of unrelated docs. n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-07-11 08:16 AM |
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Is the video of the helicopter attack the only thing Manning is alleged to have leaked?... |
SidDithers |
Jan-06-11 12:37 PM |
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Allegedly |
jberryhill |
Jan-06-11 12:43 PM |
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Which have also yielded illegal activity even in the small number |
EFerrari |
Jan-06-11 01:02 PM |
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But that's the shotgun approach... |
SidDithers |
Jan-06-11 04:03 PM |
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He needed help sifting... |
druidity33 |
Jan-06-11 08:34 PM |
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You really want his ass |
whatchamacallit |
Jan-06-11 04:45 PM |
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Truthfully, I couldn't care less about Manning... |
SidDithers |
Jan-07-11 12:38 AM |
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Obama just made himself "the Man." |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jan-06-11 12:39 PM |
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What it reveals about his thinking is not in agreement with my values. |
glinda |
Jan-06-11 08:45 PM |
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Well, "Transparency" made a real nice campaign slogan..like "change" and "hope". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-06-11 12:47 PM |
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And my personal favorite "restoring the rule of law" |
dflprincess |
Jan-06-11 08:32 PM |
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Unfortunately, my cynicism about Obama has been validated |
deutsey |
Jan-07-11 07:24 AM |
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"America's ongoing war on everything" . . . . . |
Stinky The Clown |
Jan-06-11 01:00 PM |
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It's War Theater. The purpose isn't actually to wage war, |
EFerrari |
Jan-06-11 01:07 PM |
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Fool, Traitor, Heretic! |
The Green Manalishi |
Jan-07-11 08:53 AM |
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This is unconscionable. Rec'd with sadness. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-06-11 01:01 PM |
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I remember seeing that video a long time ago. Years ago. On the tv news |
lunatica |
Jan-06-11 01:22 PM |
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Bradley is as much a hero as Cheney is. |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-06-11 04:16 PM |
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Really? What was the purely political motive behind the wikileaks release? n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 04:17 PM |
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Ask Manning. |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-06-11 04:29 PM |
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So why did you state that they were similar as if you know for a fact that was the case? n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 04:36 PM |
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How 'bout a good old murder coverup? |
whatchamacallit |
Jan-06-11 05:15 PM |
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Outing a CIA agent who stands in the way of your war based on lies.. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-06-11 04:24 PM |
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Do all 250,000 cables contain evidence of mass crime and corruption?...nt |
SidDithers |
Jan-06-11 04:26 PM |
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You don't know? |
walldude |
Jan-06-11 05:32 PM |
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I liked you because I felt you appreciated dark humor and satire when you saw it. |
Forkboy |
Jan-06-11 07:08 PM |
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Did every single page of the Pentagon Papers contain the same? |
girl gone mad |
Jan-06-11 08:06 PM |
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But the laws broken are the same. Your opinion of the motives matters not. |
Ikonoklast |
Jan-06-11 04:28 PM |
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So is someone who steals bread to feed his family the same as a guy who shoplifts it even though he |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 04:42 PM |
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Bradley is as big a criminal as Cheney. |
AlbertCat |
Jan-06-11 05:53 PM |
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dumb da dumb dumb |
anamandujano |
Jan-06-11 06:51 PM |
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True..... |
midnight |
Jan-06-11 06:35 PM |
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They're the same people.... Well, except for motive, intent, results, and the fact that one was a |
20score |
Jan-06-11 08:33 PM |
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Many words in your message do not mean what you think they do, "hero" and "same" among them. |
liberation |
Jan-07-11 03:35 AM |
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IF Pfc Manning reported this to a military official, then he should be ok. If he gave it to |
ncteechur |
Jan-06-11 05:22 PM |
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IF Pfc Manning reported this to a military official, then he acted legally. |
superduperfarleft |
Jan-06-11 05:24 PM |
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"pfc. manning is not a private citizen and must follow military protocol." Not in this case! |
Better Believe It |
Jan-06-11 09:01 PM |
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No Whistleblowing on My Watch |
AlbertCat |
Jan-06-11 05:40 PM |
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I can't imagine being proud of that statement he made. It tells a lot. |
glinda |
Jan-06-11 08:48 PM |
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His fans should hope his lawyers come up with something better than this |
treestar |
Jan-06-11 05:49 PM |
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Do you have any opinions not twisted around support for the president? |
whatchamacallit |
Jan-06-11 06:02 PM |
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Wait a second! There is Whistleblower Protection for all federally financed projects! |
JanMichael |
Jan-06-11 06:02 PM |
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Better Believe it, you shuld be commended for continuuing to speak |
truth2power |
Jan-06-11 06:49 PM |
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+++ I'll second that |
Agony |
Jan-06-11 07:07 PM |
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You said it. |
Bluebear |
Jan-08-11 07:51 AM |
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K&R - Memo to all haters: |
theaocp |
Jan-06-11 06:55 PM |
#71 |
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not all of the information has been released |
newspeak |
Jan-06-11 07:20 PM |
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He's not a whistleblower, it was a crime |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-06-11 07:29 PM |
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ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS, together, serve to show a pattern and practice of criminal behavior. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-06-11 07:47 PM |
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And you know each document was necessary? How? n/t |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-07-11 07:41 AM |
#139 |
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Just like any criminal investigation, some evidence will be thrown out. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-07-11 09:50 PM |
#168 |
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Are you summarizing or mocking the losing position here? /nt |
Bragi |
Jan-06-11 07:58 PM |
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Nope. Just joining in the mindlessness. |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-06-11 08:06 PM |
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Disagree with anything in my post? n/t |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-07-11 07:40 AM |
#137 |
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Yes, I disagree with you. |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 08:01 AM |
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Okay |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-07-11 08:45 AM |
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Fair enough. I don't agree. |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 08:51 AM |
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I'd go along with Manning as Whistleblower IF he had read all 250,000+ documents he turned over to |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jan-06-11 07:41 PM |
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It would have taken him years.. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-06-11 08:10 PM |
#90 |
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Yep, and... |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 07:52 AM |
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Don't know how whistle blowing works, do you? |
Jakes Progress |
Jan-07-11 05:51 AM |
#128 |
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Manning is a true hero, unlike the cowards who excuse the crimes. |
Zhade |
Jan-06-11 08:07 PM |
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I am done with him now. |
kgnu_fan |
Jan-06-11 08:34 PM |
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The UCMJ, the Constitution, the laws of the states and the nation, |
bertman |
Jan-06-11 08:54 PM |
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K&R |
DeSwiss |
Jan-06-11 08:57 PM |
#107 |
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And this delayed undeclared war for wealthy resources has to cease. |
RedCloud |
Jan-06-11 09:28 PM |
#112 |
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Legal Question: Has he been indicted? |
Smarmie Doofus |
Jan-06-11 09:33 PM |
#113 |
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The military doesn't have a legal process called an indictment |
Crabby Appleton |
Jan-06-11 11:48 PM |
#118 |
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If I was in Manning's spot, I would've disclosed the government breaking International Law. |
Lucian |
Jan-07-11 02:27 AM |
#124 |
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So Bush like........absolutely sickening |
BlueJac |
Jan-07-11 04:21 AM |
#126 |
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The power of the corporate/military |
Enthusiast |
Jan-07-11 04:39 AM |
#127 |
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manning is not a whistler blower. he was not going after anything specific. he was fishing |
seabeyond |
Jan-07-11 05:56 AM |
#129 |
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And if he'd been highly selective in what he released? |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 07:45 AM |
#140 |
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if manning saw a crime (not gossip) and tried to get crime addressed and was ignored |
seabeyond |
Jan-07-11 08:13 AM |
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No, it's isn't "plain and simple" |
Bragi |
Jan-07-11 08:18 AM |
#146 |
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oh wait, i get it. your plain and simple is plain and simple where as |
seabeyond |
Jan-07-11 08:19 AM |
#148 |
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Where is the quote that was implied in the title? |
VeryConfused |
Jan-07-11 06:32 AM |
#131 |
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War crimes were being committed and covered up ... let's deal wih that reality!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-07-11 06:34 AM |
#132 |
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That would be too messy and friendships would be damaged. |
russspeakeasy |
Jan-07-11 11:10 AM |
#158 |
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K & R n/t |
Le Taz Hot |
Jan-07-11 06:35 AM |
#133 |
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Deleted message |
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Jan-07-11 06:42 AM |
#135 |
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The article is incorrect. Manning has been charged: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-07-11 08:00 AM |
#142 |
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Whistle blowing needs to be protected. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-07-11 08:56 AM |
#152 |
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Yet when he was running for office he declared whistleblowers would be protected... |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jan-07-11 10:45 AM |
#155 |
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No one should be surprised by this president's response. |
BlueIris |
Jan-07-11 12:56 PM |
#165 |
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Obushma does it again. I sure Obama could get the guy out of solitary if he wanted too. |
pam4water |
Jan-08-11 02:14 AM |
#169 |
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