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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 03:44 PM
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78. Madfloridian, I have always read
your posts, they were so Appropriate and I was with you! However, since your post about Jonathan Alter, I'm somewhat turned off. Sorry. My views about Alter are very different from yours, which you have a right to...your opinion. And I have a right to mine.
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  -March 2010. DOE bought 27 shotguns for their law enforcement arm. madfloridian  Jun-08-11 07:33 PM   #0 
  - I haven't followed this very well  Wickerman   Jun-08-11 07:42 PM   #1 
  - DOE spokesperson described the type of criminal activity that might warrant this  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 07:51 PM   #3 
  - What does any of this have to do with the Department of Energy?  Philippine expat   Jun-08-11 07:50 PM   #2 
  - The DOE is the Department of Education.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 07:53 PM   #4 
     - no, it certainly does not  itsrobert   Jun-08-11 08:45 PM   #7 
     - Link.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:48 PM   #9 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-11 07:49 PM   #86 
        - I am not quibbling, just stating a fact  itsrobert   Jun-10-11 10:21 AM   #97 
     - Some people write DoEd in emails and memos, ED is the correct abbrev. DOE is Energy.  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 08:48 PM   #8 
        - Link  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:49 PM   #10 
           - Links  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 08:50 PM   #11 
           - Both are DOE.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:51 PM   #13 
              - DOE maintains the nuclear stockpiles - they don't need no stinkin' shotguns!  bananas   Jun-08-11 09:09 PM   #21 
              - No they are not.  Hangingon   Jun-09-11 08:31 AM   #37 
              - negative www.ed.gov  snooper2   Jun-09-11 08:37 AM   #38 
              - OMG!!!  chervilant   Jun-09-11 11:01 AM   #61 
                 - Thank you!  libmom74   Jun-09-11 03:30 PM   #77 
                 - Thanks for that.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 04:40 PM   #80 
                 - +1 nt  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 07:51 PM   #87 
           - Your link is not accurate. Ed. is the official abbreviation.  Hangingon   Jun-09-11 08:31 AM   #36 
              - I listed acronyms. They are correct.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 08:47 AM   #39 
                 - BTW...  chervilant   Jun-09-11 11:03 AM   #62 
  - The only person describing it as a SWAT team is the homeowner.  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 08:36 PM   #5 
  - What else do you call 15 armed uniformed men who break down a door  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:51 PM   #12 
  - Sole source of that description is the guy who lied to a reporter.  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 08:53 PM   #17 
  - You don't have to believe any of it.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:58 PM   #20 
  - If most of DU is defending it - we are all fucked. Remember those guns belong to the last winner....  nomb   Jun-08-11 08:57 PM   #19 
  - +1  Maat   Jun-09-11 02:51 PM   #76 
  - I'm guessing that the 27 shotguns in the OP were for random number generation..  Fumesucker   Jun-08-11 08:52 PM   #15 
  - 27 shotguns over 13 field offices is not that many.  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 09:09 PM   #22 
     - "Shotguns are also used to breach doors, padlocks, and safes."  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 09:18 PM   #23 
        - Every shotgun I've seen in a warrant raid has been loaded for breach.  Nailzberg   Jun-08-11 09:25 PM   #25 
        - "Carbines are the preferred long gun if you're intent is shooting people."  Occulus   Jun-08-11 09:33 PM   #26 
        - My lack of outrage is because I am highly doubtful it occurred that way.  Nailzberg   Jun-09-11 12:01 AM   #29 
           - Another DU gun expert. Maybe you know ben Ez...  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 07:54 PM   #88 
        - I am not claiming expertise. I am just claiming outrage.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 09:38 PM   #27 
        - A sad and amazing argument.  truedelphi   Jun-10-11 11:33 PM   #100 
  - Those are some badass motherfucking accountants and economists - with rams, guns & bodyarmour  nomb   Jun-08-11 08:53 PM   #16 
  - ......  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 10:59 PM   #28 
  - The homeowner's neighbors describe it just like that, too.  mikeytherat   Jun-09-11 09:49 AM   #60 
  - I hope he didn't steal #2 pencils  Horse with no Name   Jun-08-11 08:40 PM   #6 
  - Well, apparently most here now do not think it is ridiculous.  madfloridian   Jun-08-11 08:52 PM   #14 
     - i saw that other thread  Horse with no Name   Jun-08-11 08:55 PM   #18 
  - Hunting class?  mmonk   Jun-08-11 09:21 PM   #24 
  - Anybody who thinks this is ok, has a screw loose.  Waiting For Everyman   Jun-09-11 12:14 AM   #30 
  - I believe Carter established the department's OIG. (nt)  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:35 AM   #54 
  - W F E -- Pgh. Public schools cops have guns  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 08:00 PM   #89 
  - k&r  Starry Messenger   Jun-09-11 02:11 AM   #31 
  - Kay & Arghhhhh...  Plucketeer   Jun-09-11 07:55 AM   #32 
     - Local police have no authority to exercise a federal warrant. (nt)  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:19 AM   #48 
     - When I myself applied for student loans 20 years ago  Starry Messenger   Jun-09-11 11:17 AM   #65 
        - Good point  chervilant   Jun-09-11 11:30 AM   #67 
        - Yeah but, you signed off on it, so you could eat and go to class  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 08:03 PM   #90 
           - I also went to mandatory meetings where we were told what would happen if we defaulted.  Starry Messenger   Jun-09-11 08:48 PM   #93 
              - I'm with you and Mad all the way, Star.  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 09:20 PM   #94 
              - Two pertinent quotes  MikeMc   Jun-14-11 08:57 AM   #103 
  - Littering  slackmaster   Jun-09-11 07:56 AM   #33 
  - Arne Duncan's named a new head to the Enforcement Division.  rug   Jun-09-11 07:58 AM   #34 
  - seems as if they were replacements so this doesn't seem like anything new or nefarious  maddezmom   Jun-09-11 08:02 AM   #35 
  - I guess they always needed shotguns in that department.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 08:54 AM   #41 
     - usually when search warrants are executed people are armed  maddezmom   Jun-09-11 09:07 AM   #44 
     - We should breathe easier now knowing we are safer.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:13 AM   #46 
        - it's the same anytime a search warrant is executed...law enforcement is involved  maddezmom   Jun-09-11 09:18 AM   #47 
           - Aren't we lucky that education dept has so much power now.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:28 AM   #50 
              - not sure what you mean about now as they've long had these powers  maddezmom   Jun-09-11 09:30 AM   #51 
     - I understand my first thought  gejohnston   Jun-10-11 10:41 AM   #98 
  - Ever notice just how much money is thrown at law enforcement?  Bandit   Jun-09-11 08:52 AM   #40 
  - Of course there are times when you are arresting or investigating people for fraud that you may need  RB TexLa   Jun-09-11 09:03 AM   #42 
  - New headline from Ch 10 from Stockton..."DOE raids Stockton home as part of fraud investigation"  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:04 AM   #43 
  - You understand they were *replacement* shotguns, right?  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:13 AM   #45 
  - Oh, yes, I understand fully what is going on.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:27 AM   #49 
     - You said upthread you were unclear on the details.  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:30 AM   #52 
        - You don't get nuance, I fear.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:37 AM   #56 
           - Wow, so you want to make it about me.  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:39 AM   #57 
              - No, I simply said you did not recognize the nuance I used.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:43 AM   #58 
                 - I suppose the notion is that, unfettered by the board rules,  Robb   Jun-09-11 09:49 AM   #59 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-11 08:43 PM   #92 
                    - Whoops. Sorry for my controversial opinion. I'll never bad-mouth you two again.... NT  MikeMc   Jun-12-11 05:33 PM   #101 
  - And what is supposed to be wrong with this action? Do you support defrauding the federal  RB TexLa   Jun-09-11 09:32 AM   #53 
  - Everything is just fine.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 09:37 AM   #55 
  - Isn't that a Bowie song from 'Earthling'? NT  MikeMc   Jun-12-11 05:34 PM   #102 
  - O, goodie,  chervilant   Jun-09-11 11:23 AM   #66 
  - Will do.  Hangingon   Jun-09-11 07:34 PM   #85 
  - Federal agents execute a search warrant. Big deal. But why didn't the homeowner post his  msanthrope   Jun-09-11 11:07 AM   #63 
  - Sigh...  chervilant   Jun-09-11 11:11 AM   #64 
     - So, then the OP had the warrant available when she made her speculations?  msanthrope   Jun-09-11 12:12 PM   #70 
  - What in the name of creeping purple jebus does the DOE  hifiguy   Jun-09-11 11:33 AM   #68 
  - The Stockton man has hired a lawyer about "reasonable" search and seizure.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 11:39 AM   #69 
  - He needs a criminal, not civil attorney. 18 USC 371. n/t  msanthrope   Jun-09-11 12:54 PM   #71 
  - I used to be 12,5 in debt. Now 23 k on one 5 k loan. Never got the degree...  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 01:38 PM   #72 
  - Maybe they found a bunch of students cheating on their FCAT's.  Fuddnik   Jun-09-11 02:08 PM   #73 
  - I'm in favor of armed response on MCAT and LSAT cheats...  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 09:56 PM   #95 
  - K&R  midnight   Jun-09-11 02:37 PM   #74 
  - WTF? What happened seems wrong on so many levels  RVN VET   Jun-09-11 02:49 PM   #75 
  - Madfloridian, I have always read  Duval   Jun-09-11 03:44 PM   #78 
  - Many people love Alter's columns.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 04:34 PM   #79 
     - Truth.  DFab420   Jun-09-11 04:45 PM   #81 
     - Wrong. You get + 10,000, Mad. NT.  MikeMc   Jun-09-11 09:58 PM   #96 
  - First they came for the debtors, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a debtor  Taverner   Jun-09-11 05:52 PM   #82 
  - Sorry, after you  Duval   Jun-09-11 06:48 PM   #83 
  - Didn't you post that in another thread about my Alter posts?  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 06:51 PM   #84 
  - Actually it was in this very thread.  madfloridian   Jun-09-11 08:41 PM   #91 
  - either can i.  barbtries   Jun-10-11 12:41 PM   #99 
 

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