IndyPragmatist
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Wed Jun-08-11 10:19 AM
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| 90. I really don't think it's smart to go above 60% |
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Think about it from the perspective of that person, the motivation for a business owner to hire more workers and increase production is the hope that their personal income will increase from these decisions. If you put to high of a tax rate on someone line this, you are reducing the likelihood that they will hire new workers and increase production. Adding workers is always a risk. The market may change and that employee may not be very useful, you may hire a bad employee, or your personal situation may change and it may be more beneficial to not have that employee on payroll. Since we cannot predict the future, we need to have a tax rate that provides enough incentive to counter the risk incurred by increasing production and employment.
A 95% rate would kill business. While most large businesses are public and owned by thousands of individuals, many mid-sized businesses are owned by a single or small amount of individuals. Many of these people would fall into the $1,000,000 range. If someone is only going to receive 5% of everything earned beyond that, they probably won't care about increasing production and employment unless they are confident that this will equal a massive return (to where 5 cents on the dollar still adds to a lucrative amount).
This is where Economics and Psychology overlap. So much of economics is based on individual decisions and the desire to make money. We want business owners to produce as much and employ as many people as possible. So at what tax rate does that person begin to think that it isn't worth the effort and risk to make more money? I think 95% is well beyond that level. If I made $1mil and I only got 5% of everything beyond that, I wouldn't have a whole lot of motivation to work more to make that. Because of this, I really don't think that you can go beyond 60 or 65%. That seems to me as the point where I would begin to lose motivation to work more.
I also think that everyone should pay some taxes. I know it sounds cold-hearted to want to make someone only making $20k/year to pay taxes, but I think they need to pay something (about 10-15%) just to ensure that they are not distanced from government spending. For many people, if they don't have to pay for something, they are all for it, but if they have to foot part of the bill, they may reconsider. I think this will make people think more about the value of programs and spending, instead of just voting to increase the number of programs that will impact them personally. I think that the fact that they are paying SOME income tax will ensure they vote logically and not out of greed.
So my thought? I would like to see the sales tax increased (placing the tax burden on consumption and not production allows money to "work" and grow at a higher level) to maybe 10%. There is a huge amount of wealth in America that is "old money". These people aren't making any income, but living off of savings and trusts. I know Paris Hilton makes some income (apparently some people are dumb enough to pay her), but she spends much more than she makes because she is living off of the Hilton family fortune. Maybe you could increase the sales tax to 20% on purchases (not including homes and autos) over $10k. This would make people that fall into this group pay some of the tax burden.
Below $30k - 10-15% Up to $50k - 20% Up to $75k - 25% 100k - 30% 250k - 40% 500k - 50% 1 mil- 60% 5 mil and beyond -65%
I would also like to see more money shifting from the federal government to state governments. While we may elect Congressmen and the president nationally, federal employees in DC tend to be from DC or the area. By shifting the power a little more to states, you will have elected officials and employees that are more representative of the population that they serve. Instead of having a group of employees from DC providing services for people nationwide.
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| -What should be the tax rate for income of $100,000 per year? |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 04:02 PM |
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maybe we need more upper income brackets..like over 1 million |
angstlessk |
Jun-07-11 04:06 PM |
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I think all tax rates should revert to what they were before GWB assumed the presidency. |
Lasher |
Jun-07-11 04:07 PM |
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I'm with you Lasher, |
safeinOhio |
Jun-07-11 04:35 PM |
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I'm having a big problem forgiving Obama for having extended the Bush tax cuts in December. |
Lasher |
Jun-07-11 07:51 PM |
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yes! |
JAnthony |
Jun-07-11 08:12 PM |
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Doing so would balance the budget in a few years |
Avant Guardian |
Jun-08-11 10:20 AM |
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Thanks for the excellent graphics. Do you have a link to your source? |
Lasher |
Jun-08-11 01:20 PM |
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Here are some thoughts: |
damntexdem |
Jun-07-11 04:11 PM |
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25% of 100,000 is a lot of that income. |
Zoeisright |
Jun-07-11 04:17 PM |
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30% of my less than $100,000 is a lot of money I have to do without too... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-07-11 04:24 PM |
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Not how tax rates work |
Spike89 |
Jun-07-11 05:04 PM |
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According to this graph, 98.3% make less than $250,000 |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 05:12 PM |
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Interest income is taxed EXACTLY as other income |
dems_rightnow |
Jun-07-11 06:45 PM |
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Yeah, I was wrong and oversimplified |
Spike89 |
Jun-08-11 02:30 PM |
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You are confused. |
Obamaforthewin |
Jun-07-11 08:42 PM |
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yup, oversimplified and chose the wrong term |
Spike89 |
Jun-08-11 02:32 PM |
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it should depend on where you live |
formernaderite |
Jun-07-11 06:49 PM |
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These are tax thresholds.......as it is with all taxation schedules... |
JAnthony |
Jun-07-11 08:15 PM |
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But you only pay the 25% on anything over $25,000 |
cameozalaznick |
Jun-07-11 11:21 PM |
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and life circumstances |
Carolina |
Jun-08-11 12:23 PM |
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Holy crap. 40% on $250K? |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-07-11 05:08 PM |
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You're paying 35% now |
REP |
Jun-07-11 05:37 PM |
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We pay probably 30% after deductions and all. |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-07-11 05:46 PM |
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"$250K isn't rich nowadays." |
boppers |
Jun-07-11 07:54 PM |
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The truly rich have more than the rest of us combined nt |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-07-11 08:19 PM |
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ROFL |
snooper2 |
Jun-08-11 09:43 AM |
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*sigh* |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-08-11 12:14 PM |
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I used to beg on the streets. To buy food. |
boppers |
Jun-09-11 05:14 AM |
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It's all relative, isn't it? |
kentuck |
Jun-09-11 06:01 AM |
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Baloney. 250k a year is plenty fucking rich. nt |
Codeine |
Jun-07-11 08:21 PM |
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Yes, yes it is. |
Marrah_G |
Jun-08-11 10:18 AM |
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Wow. Infighting, that's what got us to where we are now. |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 12:18 PM |
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Why not? |
Skink |
Jun-07-11 06:27 PM |
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250K isn't rich |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-07-11 06:39 PM |
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Yes 250k is rich |
Marrah_G |
Jun-08-11 10:19 AM |
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no. this is not wealthy. |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 12:20 PM |
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A net rate of 40% is insane. A net rate between 25% and 30% would |
bluestate10 |
Jun-07-11 08:03 PM |
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Please see my reply to #4 upthread... |
cameozalaznick |
Jun-07-11 11:26 PM |
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even if you DID have to pay 40% you would be left with 150,000 |
Marrah_G |
Jun-08-11 10:17 AM |
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People that earn more should pay higher marginal tax rates so that |
bluestate10 |
Jun-07-11 04:18 PM |
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Zero |
notesdev |
Jun-07-11 04:25 PM |
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The problem with consumption taxes is they aren't progressive |
Astrad |
Jun-07-11 05:14 PM |
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If you exempt necessities they are |
notesdev |
Jun-07-11 06:18 PM |
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The rich would end up paying even less. |
Incitatus |
Jun-07-11 07:52 PM |
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A lot of that ends up tax free due to exemptions |
notesdev |
Jun-07-11 09:37 PM |
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There needs to be a lot of changes to the tax code. |
Incitatus |
Jun-07-11 10:38 PM |
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no they would not be |
hfojvt |
Jun-07-11 08:12 PM |
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Many people don't make enough to "consume"... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 05:15 PM |
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Yep |
notesdev |
Jun-07-11 05:19 PM |
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Word. Income taxes are designed to keep poor & lower income from obtaining wealth. |
Army of Dawgness |
Jun-07-11 08:00 PM |
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The problem I see with consumption tax... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 08:20 PM |
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The same could be said for an income tax also. |
Army of Dawgness |
Jun-07-11 08:29 PM |
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However... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 09:50 PM |
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Actually, consumption taxes are much more stable than income taxes |
taught_me_patience |
Jun-08-11 04:44 PM |
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"Income taxes are designed to keep poor & lower income from obtaining wealth." |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 09:36 PM |
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Meh. Let me rephrase. |
Army of Dawgness |
Jun-07-11 10:46 PM |
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What would the rate have to be? |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 11:14 PM |
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Well....... |
Army of Dawgness |
Jun-07-11 11:28 PM |
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Here are my answers |
taught_me_patience |
Jun-07-11 04:32 PM |
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Here is a link comparing taxcuts and deficits - Dems and Repubs |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 04:41 PM |
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$100,001 & up, 100% |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 05:06 PM |
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You mean, time to set fire to the playing field. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jun-07-11 06:19 PM |
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Insanity! Pure, unadulterated Insanity! |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-07-11 06:26 PM |
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delete |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 06:29 PM |
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Happens to the best of us. nt |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 06:53 PM |
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Got it covered. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 06:49 PM |
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impossible |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-07-11 07:47 PM |
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$100,000 should buy a lot more than it currently does. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 08:13 PM |
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but people won't, there is no longer any compensation for it |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-07-11 09:19 PM |
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I don't think you're understanding. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-08-11 09:37 AM |
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100K "should buy"... |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 09:57 AM |
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Should the the directors of a university get paid $500k a year causing tuition to soar |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-08-11 10:49 AM |
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OK - since we go anecdotal here... |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 11:55 AM |
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You must be out west or in the north. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-08-11 02:11 PM |
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who said anything about entry level? And no, I'm in NC. |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 02:26 PM |
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Is money the only reason you do what you do? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-08-11 07:22 PM |
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we want to start with a 4.6% increase, from 35% to 39.6% (the Clinton rate) |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-07-11 05:10 PM |
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up to 30k |
backwoodsbob |
Jun-07-11 05:25 PM |
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Why should up to 30k pay zero? |
taught_me_patience |
Jun-07-11 06:21 PM |
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That's the fundamental problem with American taxes. |
Xithras |
Jun-08-11 12:42 PM |
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10-12k maybe. But 30k is a full fledged salary in these parts. nt |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 06:54 PM |
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People who are well off need to quit playing poor. |
JVS |
Jun-07-11 06:22 PM |
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We are trying to sell our boat... |
kentuck |
Jun-07-11 06:27 PM |
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+! That's the same old song, innit? |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 08:18 PM |
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It's not the $100K to $250K that are ctitical... |
JHB |
Jun-07-11 06:43 PM |
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Name removed |
Jun-07-11 06:43 PM |
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Because the $5k bite hurts the $50k person a LOT more than the $25k bite hurts the $250k person. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-07-11 06:50 PM |
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I suggest income taxes on "55 minus 10"... |
JHB |
Jun-07-11 07:06 PM |
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"Shouldn't everyone have to pay something?" |
boppers |
Jun-07-11 07:50 PM |
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Revert back to the brackets under Clinton |
B-Stupid |
Jun-07-11 07:52 PM |
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0 percent to 50K a year, 20% income over 50k |
Incitatus |
Jun-07-11 08:00 PM |
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$0.00 |
George Wythe |
Jun-07-11 08:10 PM |
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Another idea worthy of exploration. nt |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-07-11 08:19 PM |
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But what are these tariffs, and where does that money come from? |
kick-ass-bob |
Jun-08-11 10:06 AM |
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Yep, tariffs are not a good idea, especially in poor economic times |
IndyPragmatist |
Jun-08-11 10:21 AM |
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In theory, I support the concept of free-trade. Free trade would be fine |
George Wythe |
Jun-08-11 04:26 PM |
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It is really no different than the taxes that localities implement on tourists. |
George Wythe |
Jun-08-11 04:31 PM |
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"Shouldn't everyone have to pay something?" Yes, but some don't - if you |
Obamanaut |
Jun-07-11 08:24 PM |
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No, actually. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-07-11 08:38 PM |
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$1milliion - 45%, $1billion-49% |
elleng |
Jun-07-11 08:25 PM |
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Just about zero. That should be the full, lone exemption, no other loopholes. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-07-11 08:36 PM |
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First, everybody should file as single. |
JVS |
Jun-07-11 09:18 PM |
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What would be the tax for this guy? |
jtuck004 |
Jun-07-11 09:29 PM |
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Use the lower chart that I provided to figure it out. |
JVS |
Jun-07-11 09:38 PM |
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That guy? We should be talking imprisonment & full clawback of everything he's worth. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-08-11 07:40 PM |
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I think it's fair to say that an individual who earns $100,000/yr already pays close to a 50% tax |
Vinee |
Jun-07-11 09:24 PM |
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Exactly |
Carolina |
Jun-08-11 12:46 PM |
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Agreed. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-08-11 07:50 PM |
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Nobody earning less than the poverty line should pay income tax |
OnlinePoker |
Jun-07-11 09:36 PM |
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See my post above. |
JVS |
Jun-07-11 09:40 PM |
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What breaks? |
OnlinePoker |
Jun-07-11 11:02 PM |
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The difference between tax on 250, 000 and 25000 is this.... |
Marrah_G |
Jun-08-11 10:13 AM |
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I really don't think it's smart to go above 60% |
IndyPragmatist |
Jun-08-11 10:19 AM |
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Your example is actually backward! |
Spike89 |
Jun-08-11 02:59 PM |
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Why do have so many billion dollar businesses? |
kentuck |
Jun-08-11 03:28 PM |
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Are you responding to my post? |
Spike89 |
Jun-08-11 04:13 PM |
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Thanks for your comments. |
kentuck |
Jun-08-11 04:40 PM |
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You miss something critical. And the GOP is THRILLED that you do. |
JoePhilly |
Jun-08-11 04:35 PM |
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Why Are You Punishing Me? |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-08-11 07:45 PM |
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$50,000/yr = 0% per individual, +1% per each add'l $25,000 capped at 50% - w/ NO exemptions |
Kip Humphrey |
Jun-09-11 07:22 AM |
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