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Mon Jun-06-11 05:10 AM
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the sale of "wealth assets" will go down, essentially freezing money in place thus not exposing them to those tax rates.
this comment also causes me some concern:
but the higher tax rates don't have to kick in until one has earned more than enough to live luxuriously.
as "luxurious" is not really an objectively quantifiable measurement.
what one person calls "luxurious" another person calls "just getting by".
How do you objectively quantify "luxury"?
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| -There is only one thing that can unfuck the economy. Only one. |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 12:16 PM |
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Yes... and end the wars...rec'd |
panader0 |
Jun-04-11 12:19 PM |
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You need spending on infrastructure to provide jobs for soldiers. |
divvy |
Jun-04-11 12:35 PM |
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Yes, but that would be far cheaper than keeping them at war. nt |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 12:36 PM |
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Instead of "put a man on the moon" lets "find clean renewable energy" to spend on |
divvy |
Jun-04-11 12:59 PM |
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No snark |
Serve The Servants |
Jun-05-11 12:41 AM |
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Cheaper and more cost-effective if focused on post-modern eco-sensible |
Ghost Dog |
Jun-04-11 02:47 PM |
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Improving our infrastructure is an investment in the future |
csziggy |
Jun-04-11 04:39 PM |
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Soldiers have jobs and they don't come from infrastructure |
Bandit |
Jun-05-11 09:44 AM |
#99 |
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Our military budget is unsustainable. |
think |
Jun-05-11 12:17 PM |
#115 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-04-11 12:20 PM |
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If I had 100 recs, I would spend them on this. NT |
Vanje |
Jun-04-11 12:23 PM |
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Exactly. |
hunter |
Jun-04-11 12:25 PM |
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What we need is a jobs bill from the house. This house won't, and are blaming Obama. Congress has |
SugarShack |
Jun-04-11 12:27 PM |
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They had their chance to do it easily |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 12:29 PM |
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Yes. When the time was ripe |
Vanje |
Jun-04-11 12:47 PM |
#12 |
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Bingo! |
sheldon |
Jun-05-11 02:51 AM |
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+1 |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-05-11 11:04 AM |
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+infinity!!!!! |
BumRushDaShow |
Jun-05-11 06:48 AM |
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And it needs to be real EARNED money at a living wage... |
cascadiance |
Jun-04-11 12:34 PM |
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In it's many manifestations, call it "DEMAND SIDE" economics. |
phiddle |
Jun-04-11 12:41 PM |
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NAAAAAH. Supply Side's enhanced 5% while failing the other 95% for 30 years running. Why stop now? |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-05-11 08:23 AM |
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Bingo. If we raised tax rates on the wealthy to the levels they |
rateyes |
Jun-04-11 12:42 PM |
#11 |
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you are both right and wrong |
melm00se |
Jun-05-11 08:56 AM |
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I maintain that going to the 90%+ tax rate on all income over a million dollars |
rateyes |
Jun-05-11 05:17 PM |
#116 |
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like i said before |
melm00se |
Jun-06-11 05:10 AM |
#117 |
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Don't be silly. Only tax dollars stuffed into the already-bloated Swiss... |
Scuba |
Jun-04-11 01:18 PM |
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Well, that isn't all we need to do, but it's part of what we need to do |
Warpy |
Jun-04-11 01:35 PM |
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What makes anyone think our reps don't already know all this? |
lunatica |
Jun-04-11 01:35 PM |
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Yes, but to a large extent, imo, they don't know, they are ignorant, |
elleng |
Jun-04-11 01:56 PM |
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Yes, but don't confuse them with facts. |
elleng |
Jun-04-11 01:53 PM |
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We also need to "unfuck" the Three Branches of Gov't |
fredamae |
Jun-04-11 02:06 PM |
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A 10 Year Plan for a State of the Art, High Speed Rail System, |
bvar22 |
Jun-04-11 03:17 PM |
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Cool. Now |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 03:33 PM |
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WWFDRD? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 04:15 PM |
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"What would FDR do? " |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 04:24 PM |
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"What did he do in 1937 when unemployment climbed back up" |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 05:14 PM |
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"And it climbed back up to 12.5%, not 20%" |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 05:33 PM |
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It's wrong. |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:07 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 06:26 PM |
#43 |
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vs. Obama, where true unemployment's stuck at almost 20% for years |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:32 PM |
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What was |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 06:44 PM |
#48 |
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Unemployment was counted correctly during FDR's tenure |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 08:49 PM |
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It |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 09:08 PM |
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lol, yeah taco bell jobs |
me b zola |
Jun-05-11 01:24 AM |
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One glance at the WH graph on the budget tells me that 40% of my tax dollars... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 05:20 PM |
#30 |
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Social Security took in $100 billion more than it paid out last year |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:09 PM |
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So one would think there should be another graph on the WH site showing revenues... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 06:31 PM |
#44 |
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How convenient, indeed |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:36 PM |
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And before he took office gave a speech about reducing the deficit ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 07:14 PM |
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Well, that and a lot of "D"s are actually milquetoast Landreiu-esque "R"s. |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-05-11 08:20 AM |
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Kucinich has had an infrastructure bill for over a decade ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 05:05 PM |
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Did it |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 05:24 PM |
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It has been relevant for over a decade, late 2010 is a little late. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 07:03 PM |
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Late 2010 |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 07:08 PM |
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Kucinich thought it should have been a major part of the stimulus plan... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 07:18 PM |
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"back in early 2009 " |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 07:29 PM |
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Thought the "WGA" and Medicare for All would help put our country ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-11 05:00 PM |
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The Federal govt should go into the oil business and make every citizen a shareholder. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jun-04-11 05:11 PM |
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Giving money to the rich when there is excess supply IS THE SOURCE OF INFLATION!! |
on point |
Jun-04-11 05:32 PM |
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It's called "The Velocity of Money". |
Fuddnik |
Jun-04-11 05:34 PM |
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it is unbelievable |
mimitabby |
Jun-04-11 05:41 PM |
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The tax system is horrid but the middle class only shoulder about 30% of the total burden |
madville |
Jun-04-11 05:44 PM |
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Except that Social Security is currently used as income tax |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:14 PM |
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If the top 1% has 50 % of wealth and income, perhaps they should pay 50% of the taxes! |
on point |
Jun-04-11 07:35 PM |
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I'm taking inspiration from a quote by a different Roosevelt today. |
Chan790 |
Jun-04-11 05:52 PM |
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Can you imagine Obama ever saying that! |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 06:10 PM |
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Well, not |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 06:55 PM |
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In your link, which part was the attack? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 10:59 PM |
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Rich people don't create jobs. Corporations don't create jobs. Small businesses don't |
MsPithy |
Jun-04-11 06:12 PM |
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Bingo! Exactly correct. A simple truth. A great slogan. |
Maineman |
Jun-05-11 08:16 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-04-11 06:35 PM |
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How 'bout McCain / Palin?... |
SidDithers |
Jun-04-11 07:10 PM |
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I often hear the term "consumer confidence" when talking about |
obxhead |
Jun-04-11 07:21 PM |
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Just wook at that smile. |
lonestarnot |
Jun-04-11 07:33 PM |
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That was the signing of Social Security nt |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 08:32 PM |
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We need the Democratic Party/elected officials to GIVE UP CORPORATE $$$$ .... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-04-11 08:25 PM |
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we haven't tried ending the bush tax cuts. |
pansypoo53219 |
Jun-04-11 08:26 PM |
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Social or other spending has little to nothing to do w/ the economy mess |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jun-04-11 08:30 PM |
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Make corruption illegal again. /nt |
dorkulon |
Jun-04-11 08:44 PM |
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Have you seen Boehner's |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 09:18 PM |
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The White House and many elected Democrats fundamentally agree with Boehner |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-04-11 11:14 PM |
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That's what we need alright. The only way we can get out of this mess. nt |
Auntie Bush |
Jun-04-11 09:46 PM |
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K&R |
midnight |
Jun-04-11 10:17 PM |
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Scream it from the montains |
maxpower |
Jun-04-11 10:35 PM |
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Sadly, Manny, we have no real, strong, principled leader. |
Stinky The Clown |
Jun-04-11 10:47 PM |
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It's quite simple, but it will never happen |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-04-11 10:54 PM |
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We can have a mandatory wage increase for employers of over 1,000 people. |
grahamhgreen |
Jun-04-11 11:40 PM |
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A simple principle is being ignored: |
napoleon_in_rags |
Jun-04-11 11:55 PM |
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First step to an economic recovery..... |
democrank |
Jun-05-11 01:01 AM |
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Great point, cutting fed spending now will drain us of the momentum we got after Bush left the WH. |
Major Hogwash |
Jun-05-11 01:41 AM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jun-05-11 03:30 AM |
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STOP.PIMPING.JOBS.OFF.OVERSEAS |
Skittles |
Jun-05-11 05:24 AM |
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If you want to know the economic |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-05-11 06:46 AM |
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This is so obvious that I can't understand what the problem is |
AllyCat |
Jun-05-11 07:28 AM |
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A 21st Century New Deal and a New GI Bill for All Americans. |
leveymg |
Jun-05-11 07:31 AM |
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K&R |
hulka38 |
Jun-05-11 07:48 AM |
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The Beltway Set doesn't care about us |
FlyByNight |
Jun-05-11 07:51 AM |
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Another up side would be fixing the things that are broken in the US |
Hubert Flottz |
Jun-05-11 08:12 AM |
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biggest obstruction to this: talk radio- here's a petition to stop US unis from supporting RW radio: |
certainot |
Jun-05-11 08:14 AM |
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FDR is one of my Favorite Presidents |
fascisthunter |
Jun-05-11 08:25 AM |
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Obama parrots the fringe-right lie that FDR waited 6 months for the Depression to get worse |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-05-11 09:02 AM |
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He did no such thing. |
ProSense |
Jun-05-11 11:27 AM |
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I don't understand how that mitigates what Obama claims re: FDR |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-05-11 12:14 PM |
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the richest 1% hold 43% of Americas Financial Wealth, 6 times what the Bottom 80% hold at 7%.. >Link |
dogmoma56 |
Jun-05-11 09:17 AM |
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Tax the rich and get the hell out of the Middle East... |
Corruption Winz |
Jun-05-11 09:39 AM |
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We can't do any of the things you suggest . . . |
janet118 |
Jun-05-11 09:45 AM |
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K&R. This will be Obama's test. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-05-11 10:01 AM |
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Kill supply-side economic theory as the disaster it has been. |
Ikonoklast |
Jun-05-11 10:03 AM |
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Stop this NONSENSE. Congress controls the purse. Only massive popular protests will move congress |
Distant Observer |
Jun-05-11 10:05 AM |
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you assume that they want the economy unfucked |
underpants |
Jun-05-11 10:18 AM |
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#3 will only work if you also have #2 and #4, a subsidization of #3 |
Taverner |
Jun-05-11 10:50 AM |
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Exactly, instead of Hoovering the country, we need to FDR it!!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Jun-05-11 11:13 AM |
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One simple word... |
slackmaster |
Jun-05-11 11:15 AM |
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I have hope of another way to unfuck this economy |
Jim_Shorts |
Jun-05-11 11:23 AM |
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Massive government spending. |
Deep13 |
Jun-05-11 11:24 AM |
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Pull the plug on capitalism ... |
GeorgeGist |
Jun-05-11 11:38 AM |
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Don't terminate teachers and other public employees |
Kolesar |
Jun-05-11 12:16 PM |
#114 |
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