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111. He did no such thing.
The quote in context was made to bloggers


THE PRESIDENT: But I guess Id make two points. The first is, Im President and not king. And so Ive got to get a majority in the House and Ive got to get 60 votes in the Senate to move any legislative initiative forward.

Now, during the course the 21 months of my presidency so far, I think we had 60 votes in the Senate for seven months, six? I mean, it was after Franken finally got seated and Arlen had flipped, but before Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. So thats a fairly narrow window. So were right at the number, and that presumes that there is uniformity within the Democratic caucus in the Senate which, Barbara, youve been around a while. You know that not every Democrat in the Democratic caucus agrees with me or agrees with each other in terms of complicated issues like health care.


This notion that somehow I could have gone and made the case around the country for a far bigger stimulus because of the magnitude of the crisis, well, we understood the magnitude of the crisis. We didnt actually, I think, do what Franklin Delano Roosevelt did, which was basically wait for six months until the thing had gotten so bad that it became an easier sell politically because we thought that was irresponsible. We had to act quickly.

And getting 60 votes for what was an unprecedented stimulus was really hard. And we didnt have the luxury of saying first of all, we didnt have 60 votes at the time. We had 58. And we didnt have the luxury to say to the Senate, our way or the highway on this one.

So we did what we could in an emergency situation, anticipating that we were going to have to do more and hoping that we could continue to do more as time went on.


He was basically saying that he didn't do what FDR did because he didn't have the luxury of waiting until he had 60 Democratic votes or until things got so bad that that it became an "unprecedented national emergency" as FDR inherited.

Here's something else Krugman said.

The President's position on Social Security is clear.

Obama backs lifting income cap for Social Security

President Obama on Medicare and Turning 50

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  - Yes... and end the wars...rec'd  panader0   Jun-04-11 12:19 PM   #1 
  - You need spending on infrastructure to provide jobs for soldiers.  divvy   Jun-04-11 12:35 PM   #8 
  - Yes, but that would be far cheaper than keeping them at war. nt  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 12:36 PM   #9 
  - Instead of "put a man on the moon" lets "find clean renewable energy" to spend on  divvy   Jun-04-11 12:59 PM   #13 
  - No snark  Serve The Servants   Jun-05-11 12:41 AM   #76 
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  - Improving our infrastructure is an investment in the future  csziggy   Jun-04-11 04:39 PM   #25 
  - Soldiers have jobs and they don't come from infrastructure  Bandit   Jun-05-11 09:44 AM   #99 
  - Our military budget is unsustainable.  think   Jun-05-11 12:17 PM   #115 
  - recommend  xchrom   Jun-04-11 12:20 PM   #2 
  - If I had 100 recs, I would spend them on this. NT  Vanje   Jun-04-11 12:23 PM   #3 
  - Exactly.  hunter   Jun-04-11 12:25 PM   #4 
  - What we need is a jobs bill from the house. This house won't, and are blaming Obama. Congress has  SugarShack   Jun-04-11 12:27 PM   #5 
  - They had their chance to do it easily  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 12:29 PM   #6 
  - Yes. When the time was ripe  Vanje   Jun-04-11 12:47 PM   #12 
  - Bingo!  sheldon   Jun-05-11 02:51 AM   #80 
  - +1  ooglymoogly   Jun-05-11 11:04 AM   #106 
  - +infinity!!!!!  BumRushDaShow   Jun-05-11 06:48 AM   #84 
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  - In it's many manifestations, call it "DEMAND SIDE" economics.  phiddle   Jun-04-11 12:41 PM   #10 
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  - Bingo. If we raised tax rates on the wealthy to the levels they  rateyes   Jun-04-11 12:42 PM   #11 
  - you are both right and wrong  melm00se   Jun-05-11 08:56 AM   #95 
     - I maintain that going to the 90%+ tax rate on all income over a million dollars  rateyes   Jun-05-11 05:17 PM   #116 
        - like i said before  melm00se   Jun-06-11 05:10 AM   #117 
  - Don't be silly. Only tax dollars stuffed into the already-bloated Swiss...  Scuba   Jun-04-11 01:18 PM   #14 
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  - What makes anyone think our reps don't already know all this?  lunatica   Jun-04-11 01:35 PM   #16 
  - Yes, but to a large extent, imo, they don't know, they are ignorant,  elleng   Jun-04-11 01:56 PM   #18 
  - Yes, but don't confuse them with facts.  elleng   Jun-04-11 01:53 PM   #17 
  - We also need to "unfuck" the Three Branches of Gov't  fredamae   Jun-04-11 02:06 PM   #19 
  - A 10 Year Plan for a State of the Art, High Speed Rail System,  bvar22   Jun-04-11 03:17 PM   #21 
  - Cool. Now  ProSense   Jun-04-11 03:33 PM   #22 
  - WWFDRD?  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 04:15 PM   #23 
  - "What would FDR do? "  ProSense   Jun-04-11 04:24 PM   #24 
  - "What did he do in 1937 when unemployment climbed back up"  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 05:14 PM   #29 
     - "And it climbed back up to 12.5%, not 20%"  ProSense   Jun-04-11 05:33 PM   #33 
        - It's wrong.  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 06:07 PM   #38 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Jun-04-11 06:26 PM   #43 
              - vs. Obama, where true unemployment's stuck at almost 20% for years  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 06:32 PM   #45 
                 - What was  ProSense   Jun-04-11 06:44 PM   #48 
                    - Unemployment was counted correctly during FDR's tenure  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 08:49 PM   #64 
                    - It  ProSense   Jun-04-11 09:08 PM   #65 
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  - One glance at the WH graph on the budget tells me that 40% of my tax dollars...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 05:20 PM   #30 
  - Social Security took in $100 billion more than it paid out last year  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 06:09 PM   #39 
     - So one would think there should be another graph on the WH site showing revenues...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 06:31 PM   #44 
        - How convenient, indeed  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 06:36 PM   #47 
           - And before he took office gave a speech about reducing the deficit ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 07:14 PM   #53 
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  - Kucinich has had an infrastructure bill for over a decade ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 05:05 PM   #27 
     - Did it  ProSense   Jun-04-11 05:24 PM   #31 
        - It has been relevant for over a decade, late 2010 is a little late. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 07:03 PM   #50 
           - Late 2010  ProSense   Jun-04-11 07:08 PM   #51 
              - Kucinich thought it should have been a major part of the stimulus plan...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 07:18 PM   #54 
                 - "back in early 2009 "  ProSense   Jun-04-11 07:29 PM   #56 
  - Thought the "WGA" and Medicare for All would help put our country ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-11 05:00 PM   #26 
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  - it is unbelievable  mimitabby   Jun-04-11 05:41 PM   #35 
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  - If the top 1% has 50 % of wealth and income, perhaps they should pay 50% of the taxes!  on point   Jun-04-11 07:35 PM   #58 
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  - Can you imagine Obama ever saying that!  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 06:10 PM   #40 
     - Well, not  ProSense   Jun-04-11 06:55 PM   #49 
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  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Jun-04-11 06:35 PM   #46 
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  - Just wook at that smile.  lonestarnot   Jun-04-11 07:33 PM   #57 
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  - Social or other spending has little to nothing to do w/ the economy mess  ProfessionalLeftist   Jun-04-11 08:30 PM   #61 
  - Make corruption illegal again. /nt  dorkulon   Jun-04-11 08:44 PM   #63 
  - Have you seen Boehner's  ProSense   Jun-04-11 09:18 PM   #66 
  - The White House and many elected Democrats fundamentally agree with Boehner  MannyGoldstein   Jun-04-11 11:14 PM   #73 
  - That's what we need alright. The only way we can get out of this mess. nt  Auntie Bush   Jun-04-11 09:46 PM   #67 
  - K&R  midnight   Jun-04-11 10:17 PM   #68 
  - Scream it from the montains  maxpower   Jun-04-11 10:35 PM   #69 
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  - A simple principle is being ignored:  napoleon_in_rags   Jun-04-11 11:55 PM   #75 
  - First step to an economic recovery.....  democrank   Jun-05-11 01:01 AM   #77 
  - Great point, cutting fed spending now will drain us of the momentum we got after Bush left the WH.  Major Hogwash   Jun-05-11 01:41 AM   #79 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jun-05-11 03:30 AM   #81 
  - STOP.PIMPING.JOBS.OFF.OVERSEAS  Skittles   Jun-05-11 05:24 AM   #82 
  - If you want to know the economic  sulphurdunn   Jun-05-11 06:46 AM   #83 
  - This is so obvious that I can't understand what the problem is  AllyCat   Jun-05-11 07:28 AM   #85 
  - A 21st Century New Deal and a New GI Bill for All Americans.  leveymg   Jun-05-11 07:31 AM   #86 
  - K&R  hulka38   Jun-05-11 07:48 AM   #87 
  - The Beltway Set doesn't care about us  FlyByNight   Jun-05-11 07:51 AM   #88 
  - Another up side would be fixing the things that are broken in the US  Hubert Flottz   Jun-05-11 08:12 AM   #89 
  - biggest obstruction to this: talk radio- here's a petition to stop US unis from supporting RW radio:  certainot   Jun-05-11 08:14 AM   #90 
  - FDR is one of my Favorite Presidents  fascisthunter   Jun-05-11 08:25 AM   #94 
  - Obama parrots the fringe-right lie that FDR waited 6 months for the Depression to get worse  MannyGoldstein   Jun-05-11 09:02 AM   #96 
     - He did no such thing.  ProSense   Jun-05-11 11:27 AM   #111 
        - I don't understand how that mitigates what Obama claims re: FDR  MannyGoldstein   Jun-05-11 12:14 PM   #113 
  - the richest 1% hold 43% of Americas Financial Wealth, 6 times what the Bottom 80% hold at 7%.. >Link  dogmoma56   Jun-05-11 09:17 AM   #97 
  - Tax the rich and get the hell out of the Middle East...  Corruption Winz   Jun-05-11 09:39 AM   #98 
  - We can't do any of the things you suggest . . .  janet118   Jun-05-11 09:45 AM   #100 
  - K&R. This will be Obama's test.  Jakes Progress   Jun-05-11 10:01 AM   #101 
  - Kill supply-side economic theory as the disaster it has been.  Ikonoklast   Jun-05-11 10:03 AM   #102 
  - Stop this NONSENSE. Congress controls the purse. Only massive popular protests will move congress  Distant Observer   Jun-05-11 10:05 AM   #103 
  - you assume that they want the economy unfucked  underpants   Jun-05-11 10:18 AM   #104 
  - #3 will only work if you also have #2 and #4, a subsidization of #3  Taverner   Jun-05-11 10:50 AM   #105 
  - Exactly, instead of Hoovering the country, we need to FDR it!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Jun-05-11 11:13 AM   #107 
  - One simple word...  slackmaster   Jun-05-11 11:15 AM   #108 
  - I have hope of another way to unfuck this economy  Jim_Shorts   Jun-05-11 11:23 AM   #109 
  - Massive government spending.  Deep13   Jun-05-11 11:24 AM   #110 
  - Pull the plug on capitalism ...  GeorgeGist   Jun-05-11 11:38 AM   #112 
  - Don't terminate teachers and other public employees  Kolesar   Jun-05-11 12:16 PM   #114 

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