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Sat Jun-04-11 05:42 PM
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combines private and public sector jobs, reflecting state and local government layoffs. The other is only private sector.
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| -Thus far, Obama has been unable to get us out of the Bush Depression. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 05:31 AM |
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Huh...? This is not a depression (see 1930). |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 05:47 AM |
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Couldn't resist, huh? |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 05:50 AM |
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If you don't know the difference, spend 10 or 15 minutes doing some research. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:07 AM |
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A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-04-11 06:13 AM |
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You can say "depression" when you see 25% unemployment and a 25% drop in GDP. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:51 AM |
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Ever been to Detroit? It is significantly worse than that |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 07:56 AM |
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Whatever...if you choose to base your economic summation on one city, rather than the whole |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:06 AM |
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1% of the country is getting richer while the other 99% is getting significantly poorer |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 08:21 AM |
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Not that things aren't pretty bad now, but still, compared to the 1930s... |
Silent3 |
Jun-04-11 09:12 AM |
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All those problems were problems of the era, and would have lingered without the depression |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Definitely technology provides us with a higher baseline, but that's my point |
Silent3 |
Jun-04-11 04:59 PM |
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That is not sufficient reason to dismiss the comparison |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 06:27 PM |
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here's something you might want to read |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 12:49 AM |
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WHAT? LOOK HERE!! |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 01:26 AM |
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How do you know it's not at 25%? If they calculated it the way they used to |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jun-04-11 08:10 AM |
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So, is everyone supposed to disregard the entire dataset used to compile economic statistics, |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:48 AM |
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Just Ignore the "Official Lies" |
Demeter |
Jun-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Mr. Williams appears to be using the same dataset, as his plots track |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:22 PM |
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When the numbers are intentionally misleading.... Yes, absolutely |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 09:44 AM |
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The government economic numbers are manipulated BS. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:47 PM |
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All depressions are not the Great Depression |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-04-11 10:48 AM |
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The problem with your hypothesis relates to the fact that the economy is actually growing. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:25 PM |
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If you count the 60,000 jobs by McDonalds... |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 12:46 PM |
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The economy was growing in 1934, too. That doesn't mean the Depression was over. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:48 PM |
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Foreclosure rates are higher than during the "depression". |
PassingFair |
Jun-05-11 01:31 PM |
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And I like your sigline also. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 06:14 AM |
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No, I don't care much for democracy--it's unconstitutional. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:33 AM |
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"LIBERTY!" Oh PLEASE don't tell me you're one of those Paul people. |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-04-11 07:16 AM |
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What are your objections to "liberty?" |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:56 AM |
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Because several visitors who mention the word "liberty" . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-04-11 01:02 PM |
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I don't "worship" the founding fathers, but I think that they did a masterful job |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:07 PM |
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I think you are at the wrong website. That's a RW extremist talking point. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:49 PM |
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My, how times have changed. During the time it was enacted, the Constitution |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 03:27 PM |
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The US will never get out of the Bush Depression by continuing almost all of junior's major |
indepat |
Jun-04-11 09:22 AM |
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this very could be an artificial person, a bot, made by that software prograam |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 12:54 AM |
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I once heard that is was called a "Depression" |
elocs |
Jun-04-11 06:15 AM |
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It is no doubt possible that the US (and world) could experience a depression |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:47 AM |
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Actually, it was because Hoover didn't want to use the term "financial panic". |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:51 PM |
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"Sit down, John! Sit down, John! |
eShirl |
Jun-04-11 06:59 AM |
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LOL I love that play! Saw it years ago in Ford's theater in DC, good times! n/t |
LiberalLoner |
Jun-04-11 07:33 AM |
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Great show...! Saw it on Broadway in the 90s. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:41 AM |
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Nevuh!!!!!!!!!! |
treestar |
Jun-04-11 08:52 AM |
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"Wealth inequality is as extreme today as it was during the Great Depression years. |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 10:01 AM |
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What you cite is a problem, but unless the definition of the word "depression" |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:28 PM |
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Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu are why we still have a Bush recession.... |
SugarShack |
Jun-04-11 12:40 PM |
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Here's the analysis: |
snot |
Jun-04-11 02:20 PM |
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The economy was mostly growing again after 1933, it was still a depression. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:43 PM |
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Here's a solution to try: |
obxhead |
Jun-04-11 05:49 AM |
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We need an Apollo moon shot program for clean, renewable energy sources |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 06:14 AM |
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The Renewable energy industry is in its infancy... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:27 AM |
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"most innovative lobbyists" |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Jun-04-11 08:48 AM |
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Why not pick the American people to be the winners and get off the "free market will save us" crap |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 09:13 AM |
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The only way the American people win is when they do the "picking." |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:17 PM |
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Oh, now it is "Anti Matter" will save us |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 12:47 PM |
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No, I don't have the solutions, but I am an optimistic dreamer... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:10 PM |
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There is no such thing as a monopoly.. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 12:50 PM |
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You have accurately identified many of the problems... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Yes, when one throws gasoline and blows oxygen on a raging fire |
Demeter |
Jun-04-11 05:52 AM |
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Yep, exactly |
ixion |
Jun-04-11 06:25 AM |
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The difference is that |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 05:57 AM |
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It's President Obama.... Not "O". |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:06 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:21 AM |
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Enjoy your stay. n/t |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:22 AM |
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lol |
savalez |
Jun-06-11 12:30 AM |
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This is the Democratic Underground. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 06:24 AM |
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I know it is |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 06:30 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:39 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:42 AM |
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Not. Even. Close. |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:42 AM |
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Gee what will make you happy? |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 06:48 AM |
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ROFL Holy Shit! |
Number23 |
Jun-05-11 08:25 PM |
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If the Republicans actually delay .. |
sendero |
Jun-04-11 06:49 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:55 AM |
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I haven't forgotten.. |
sendero |
Jun-04-11 06:57 AM |
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Jun-04-11 07:06 AM |
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So the brave thing to do is to let us live with the consequences of |
treestar |
Jun-04-11 08:51 AM |
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"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - Mission Accomplisher) |
SpiralHawk |
Jun-04-11 06:11 AM |
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What Obama has tried has been more of the same |
MadHound |
Jun-04-11 07:05 AM |
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It's Worked For Those Who Matter...The Ones Who Write The Big Checks |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-04-11 07:21 AM |
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One has to wonder what happened to the 2.5 million jobs and the |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 07:37 AM |
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Private sector has added 2.1 million jobs in the last 15 months. |
JoePhilly |
Jun-04-11 09:57 AM |
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If 'added' did not mean 'replaced some that were lost', there would not |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 12:37 PM |
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... you can't read the graph apparently. |
JoePhilly |
Jun-04-11 02:34 PM |
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GITMO simply has to do with failed (empty) promises. At least 50K |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 03:28 PM |
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You can't just make up definitions for words and be taken seriously |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-04-11 07:42 AM |
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I disagree... |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 10:43 AM |
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There's 'Depression' as you use the term and then there is 'Depression' |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:20 PM |
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Too much credit to a dude that couldn't pour piss out of a boot... |
blindpig |
Jun-04-11 08:38 AM |
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The stimulus was sort of a joke. Every non ideological economist |
mmonk |
Jun-04-11 09:46 AM |
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I bash Obama as much as the next progressive, but every non- |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:31 PM |
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Where Obama has failed |
Horse with no Name |
Jun-04-11 10:53 AM |
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I blame Rahm. He, of course, called me and my kind 'fucking retarded' so |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:33 PM |
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Agree it's a depression .... however Obama's stimulus was only 20% or less of what was required .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-04-11 11:09 AM |
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He should have focused on jobs first. I don't really think Mr. Obama is |
theophilus |
Jun-04-11 11:14 AM |
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He has been "unable" because he is using the republican ideology |
me b zola |
Jun-04-11 12:57 PM |
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54,000 new jobs is suddenly bad, and the sky is falling? |
bhikkhu |
Jun-04-11 01:03 PM |
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The needs at least 150,000 new jobs per month to keep up with population growth. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:45 PM |
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If its really a population problem, we might as well say so |
bhikkhu |
Jun-04-11 07:06 PM |
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The economy IS NOT in phenomenal shape. U6 figure is approaching |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:36 PM |
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and how much of that is population added since 2000? |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 07:44 PM |
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You said the economy is in 'phenomenal shape' (your words) and |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 07:55 PM |
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Now this is changing the subject a bit - |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 08:49 PM |
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I'm not aware of any textbook that puts forth your theory, probably |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 09:39 PM |
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Yes, an abundant cheap energy source would do it |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 11:31 PM |
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All Obama has done is empower those who CAUSED the depression in the first place. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:42 PM |
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Actually, |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 03:42 PM |
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Why the discrepencies in these graphs? |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 05:04 PM |
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That |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 05:42 PM |
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Interesting, thanks for the clarification. The second seems more accurate, |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 06:10 PM |
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Has he tried ending the wars and and killing the Bush tax cuts? |
lame54 |
Jun-04-11 04:29 PM |
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I don't know why he hasn't tried some new deal type programs.... |
Little Star |
Jun-04-11 05:18 PM |
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Bear in mind, Bush dug us into a pretty deep hole . . . |
martymar64 |
Jun-04-11 06:01 PM |
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"Tried everything?" Uh, no. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-04-11 07:07 PM |
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I think you misquote? |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 07:17 PM |
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"Americans can be counted upon to do the right thing, after they've exhausted the alternatives." |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-05-11 11:43 AM |
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He needs to try harder: jobs program, public inv projects, bring jobs back to U.S. |
franzia99 |
Jun-04-11 07:11 PM |
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And, unwilling to get us out of Bush's wars. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-05-11 11:48 AM |
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Look a little closer at that stimulus |
jmowreader |
Jun-06-11 02:29 AM |
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Pres has 1 chance to "WIN THE FUTURE" by focusing "stimulus" on "new industry" job creation |
Distant Observer |
Jun-06-11 03:58 AM |
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