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Sat Jun-04-11 08:21 AM
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| 41. 1% of the country is getting richer while the other 99% is getting significantly poorer |
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And you are claiming that the average has remained the same. It is misleading to conflate the well being of a tiny cabal of rich people with the well being of the vast majority of the American people. It is a depression for everyone except the top 1% wealth holders and income collectors.
Whatever the fuck ever, hundreds of thousands of people have it significantly worse than during the great depression you want to average them with Warren Buffet to pretend that there is not an economic depression.
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| -Thus far, Obama has been unable to get us out of the Bush Depression. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 05:31 AM |
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Huh...? This is not a depression (see 1930). |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 05:47 AM |
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Couldn't resist, huh? |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 05:50 AM |
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If you don't know the difference, spend 10 or 15 minutes doing some research. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:07 AM |
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A recession is when your neighbor loses his job.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-04-11 06:13 AM |
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You can say "depression" when you see 25% unemployment and a 25% drop in GDP. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:51 AM |
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Ever been to Detroit? It is significantly worse than that |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 07:56 AM |
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Whatever...if you choose to base your economic summation on one city, rather than the whole |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:06 AM |
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1% of the country is getting richer while the other 99% is getting significantly poorer |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 08:21 AM |
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Not that things aren't pretty bad now, but still, compared to the 1930s... |
Silent3 |
Jun-04-11 09:12 AM |
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All those problems were problems of the era, and would have lingered without the depression |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Definitely technology provides us with a higher baseline, but that's my point |
Silent3 |
Jun-04-11 04:59 PM |
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That is not sufficient reason to dismiss the comparison |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 06:27 PM |
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here's something you might want to read |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 12:49 AM |
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WHAT? LOOK HERE!! |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 01:26 AM |
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How do you know it's not at 25%? If they calculated it the way they used to |
ProfessionalLeftist |
Jun-04-11 08:10 AM |
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So, is everyone supposed to disregard the entire dataset used to compile economic statistics, |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:48 AM |
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Just Ignore the "Official Lies" |
Demeter |
Jun-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Mr. Williams appears to be using the same dataset, as his plots track |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:22 PM |
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When the numbers are intentionally misleading.... Yes, absolutely |
Taitertots |
Jun-04-11 09:44 AM |
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The government economic numbers are manipulated BS. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:47 PM |
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All depressions are not the Great Depression |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-04-11 10:48 AM |
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The problem with your hypothesis relates to the fact that the economy is actually growing. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:25 PM |
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If you count the 60,000 jobs by McDonalds... |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 12:46 PM |
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The economy was growing in 1934, too. That doesn't mean the Depression was over. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:48 PM |
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Foreclosure rates are higher than during the "depression". |
PassingFair |
Jun-05-11 01:31 PM |
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And I like your sigline also. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 06:14 AM |
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No, I don't care much for democracy--it's unconstitutional. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:33 AM |
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"LIBERTY!" Oh PLEASE don't tell me you're one of those Paul people. |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-04-11 07:16 AM |
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What are your objections to "liberty?" |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:56 AM |
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Because several visitors who mention the word "liberty" . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Jun-04-11 01:02 PM |
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I don't "worship" the founding fathers, but I think that they did a masterful job |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:07 PM |
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I think you are at the wrong website. That's a RW extremist talking point. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:49 PM |
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My, how times have changed. During the time it was enacted, the Constitution |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 03:27 PM |
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The US will never get out of the Bush Depression by continuing almost all of junior's major |
indepat |
Jun-04-11 09:22 AM |
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this very could be an artificial person, a bot, made by that software prograam |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-06-11 12:54 AM |
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I once heard that is was called a "Depression" |
elocs |
Jun-04-11 06:15 AM |
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It is no doubt possible that the US (and world) could experience a depression |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 06:47 AM |
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Actually, it was because Hoover didn't want to use the term "financial panic". |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:51 PM |
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"Sit down, John! Sit down, John! |
eShirl |
Jun-04-11 06:59 AM |
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LOL I love that play! Saw it years ago in Ford's theater in DC, good times! n/t |
LiberalLoner |
Jun-04-11 07:33 AM |
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Great show...! Saw it on Broadway in the 90s. |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 08:41 AM |
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Nevuh!!!!!!!!!! |
treestar |
Jun-04-11 08:52 AM |
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"Wealth inequality is as extreme today as it was during the Great Depression years. |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 10:01 AM |
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What you cite is a problem, but unless the definition of the word "depression" |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:28 PM |
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Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu are why we still have a Bush recession.... |
SugarShack |
Jun-04-11 12:40 PM |
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Here's the analysis: |
snot |
Jun-04-11 02:20 PM |
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The economy was mostly growing again after 1933, it was still a depression. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:43 PM |
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Here's a solution to try: |
obxhead |
Jun-04-11 05:49 AM |
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We need an Apollo moon shot program for clean, renewable energy sources |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 06:14 AM |
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The Renewable energy industry is in its infancy... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:27 AM |
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"most innovative lobbyists" |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Jun-04-11 08:48 AM |
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Why not pick the American people to be the winners and get off the "free market will save us" crap |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 09:13 AM |
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The only way the American people win is when they do the "picking." |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 12:17 PM |
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Oh, now it is "Anti Matter" will save us |
PuffedMica |
Jun-04-11 12:47 PM |
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No, I don't have the solutions, but I am an optimistic dreamer... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:10 PM |
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There is no such thing as a monopoly.. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 12:50 PM |
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You have accurately identified many of the problems... |
John_Adams |
Jun-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Yes, when one throws gasoline and blows oxygen on a raging fire |
Demeter |
Jun-04-11 05:52 AM |
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Yep, exactly |
ixion |
Jun-04-11 06:25 AM |
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The difference is that |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 05:57 AM |
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It's President Obama.... Not "O". |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:06 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:21 AM |
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Enjoy your stay. n/t |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:22 AM |
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lol |
savalez |
Jun-06-11 12:30 AM |
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This is the Democratic Underground. |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 06:24 AM |
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I know it is |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 06:30 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:39 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:42 AM |
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Not. Even. Close. |
JTFrog |
Jun-04-11 06:42 AM |
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Gee what will make you happy? |
Holden_C |
Jun-04-11 06:48 AM |
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ROFL Holy Shit! |
Number23 |
Jun-05-11 08:25 PM |
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If the Republicans actually delay .. |
sendero |
Jun-04-11 06:49 AM |
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Jun-04-11 06:55 AM |
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I haven't forgotten.. |
sendero |
Jun-04-11 06:57 AM |
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Jun-04-11 07:06 AM |
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So the brave thing to do is to let us live with the consequences of |
treestar |
Jun-04-11 08:51 AM |
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"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - Mission Accomplisher) |
SpiralHawk |
Jun-04-11 06:11 AM |
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What Obama has tried has been more of the same |
MadHound |
Jun-04-11 07:05 AM |
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It's Worked For Those Who Matter...The Ones Who Write The Big Checks |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-04-11 07:21 AM |
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One has to wonder what happened to the 2.5 million jobs and the |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 07:37 AM |
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Private sector has added 2.1 million jobs in the last 15 months. |
JoePhilly |
Jun-04-11 09:57 AM |
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If 'added' did not mean 'replaced some that were lost', there would not |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 12:37 PM |
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... you can't read the graph apparently. |
JoePhilly |
Jun-04-11 02:34 PM |
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GITMO simply has to do with failed (empty) promises. At least 50K |
Obamanaut |
Jun-04-11 03:28 PM |
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You can't just make up definitions for words and be taken seriously |
Motown_Johnny |
Jun-04-11 07:42 AM |
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I disagree... |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 10:43 AM |
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There's 'Depression' as you use the term and then there is 'Depression' |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:20 PM |
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Too much credit to a dude that couldn't pour piss out of a boot... |
blindpig |
Jun-04-11 08:38 AM |
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The stimulus was sort of a joke. Every non ideological economist |
mmonk |
Jun-04-11 09:46 AM |
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I bash Obama as much as the next progressive, but every non- |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:31 PM |
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Where Obama has failed |
Horse with no Name |
Jun-04-11 10:53 AM |
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I blame Rahm. He, of course, called me and my kind 'fucking retarded' so |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:33 PM |
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Agree it's a depression .... however Obama's stimulus was only 20% or less of what was required .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-04-11 11:09 AM |
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He should have focused on jobs first. I don't really think Mr. Obama is |
theophilus |
Jun-04-11 11:14 AM |
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He has been "unable" because he is using the republican ideology |
me b zola |
Jun-04-11 12:57 PM |
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54,000 new jobs is suddenly bad, and the sky is falling? |
bhikkhu |
Jun-04-11 01:03 PM |
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The needs at least 150,000 new jobs per month to keep up with population growth. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:45 PM |
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If its really a population problem, we might as well say so |
bhikkhu |
Jun-04-11 07:06 PM |
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The economy IS NOT in phenomenal shape. U6 figure is approaching |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 01:36 PM |
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and how much of that is population added since 2000? |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 07:44 PM |
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You said the economy is in 'phenomenal shape' (your words) and |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 07:55 PM |
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Now this is changing the subject a bit - |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 08:49 PM |
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I'm not aware of any textbook that puts forth your theory, probably |
coalition_unwilling |
Jun-05-11 09:39 PM |
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Yes, an abundant cheap energy source would do it |
bhikkhu |
Jun-05-11 11:31 PM |
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All Obama has done is empower those who CAUSED the depression in the first place. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-04-11 02:42 PM |
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Actually, |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 03:42 PM |
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Why the discrepencies in these graphs? |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 05:04 PM |
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That |
ProSense |
Jun-04-11 05:42 PM |
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Interesting, thanks for the clarification. The second seems more accurate, |
tekisui |
Jun-04-11 06:10 PM |
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Has he tried ending the wars and and killing the Bush tax cuts? |
lame54 |
Jun-04-11 04:29 PM |
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I don't know why he hasn't tried some new deal type programs.... |
Little Star |
Jun-04-11 05:18 PM |
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Bear in mind, Bush dug us into a pretty deep hole . . . |
martymar64 |
Jun-04-11 06:01 PM |
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"Tried everything?" Uh, no. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-04-11 07:07 PM |
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I think you misquote? |
kentuck |
Jun-04-11 07:17 PM |
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"Americans can be counted upon to do the right thing, after they've exhausted the alternatives." |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-05-11 11:43 AM |
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He needs to try harder: jobs program, public inv projects, bring jobs back to U.S. |
franzia99 |
Jun-04-11 07:11 PM |
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And, unwilling to get us out of Bush's wars. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-05-11 11:48 AM |
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Look a little closer at that stimulus |
jmowreader |
Jun-06-11 02:29 AM |
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Pres has 1 chance to "WIN THE FUTURE" by focusing "stimulus" on "new industry" job creation |
Distant Observer |
Jun-06-11 03:58 AM |
#119 |
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